SJH speaks

[Guest Insider]

Banned from NO... enter you to "defend their honour" . They should throw you a treat, you're obviously deprived of attention.

[JawD 99]

Back on topic, eh ladies.

 

For me, SJH saw a stirling opportunity. With him he had Fletcher who, apart from apparently being a little shit, brought some brilliance with it. SJH it a capitalist by his own mouth. He knew the potential the club had and the explosion of wealth it could produce with success. Everyone would be a winner. The fans get the club they want and they make a good return on their investment. Who could complain?

 

Well, the bubble burst. Not just for our club but football in general. It got bigger than he could handle and so he stepped away, pockets bulging.

 

For me it depends how you look at it. Do you thank SJH for giving us the best years we've had and will have in a long time or do you condemn him for building us up, floating us, pocketing the cash and walking away?

 

Shepherd was always their puppet in my eyes. Bit like the sacking of bobby. Isnt it that Shepherd was told to do but it wasnt his choice?

[bobbyshinton 59]

need to remember where we were and where we were going before SJH stepped in.

 

He is a business man and he did what business men do (good ones not like Ashley) worked for his own interests.

 

We all got something we wanted then it went tits up.

 

I would swop at the drop of a hat SJH for Ashley.

 

Ashley is lucky this season it could havegone either way luckily for him (and us) it seems to be for the positive and some are showing signs of acceptance mainly the media.

 

Wait to we are in the premier again it will be back to the old circus and that is when Ashley needs a Fletcher

[Craig 6700]

No problem with SJH or the article.

 

He came into NUFC for the right reasons and I have no problem with the money he made when he decided to get out.

 

Always thought of him as a decent bloke.

 

The money he made selling our club to the first person that would give him the blood money he wanted? regardless of that persons intentions or ability? selling his shares behind the back of his business parter (ie Shepherd) while he lay in a hospital bed?

 

All that is twatful, at best. To be, however, our clubs life president and never be seen at the ground or never be seen to be questioning whats going on is unforgivable. The final nail in the coffin however is to then write an article bleating on about how clubs being bought by people with money who want them as a plaything is wrong when he sold the club to someone who gave that very same reason for taking over.

 

As for not having a problem with the money he made when he decided to get out, Id love to be in a position where I take on a football club "for the love of it", put in a fairly minimal investment then make millions a year out of it and then sell it on for £55m profit and still have people saying he deserves it.

 

You're one of a kind though CT I'll give you that, in one thread you'll argue that the Halls almost bankrupted us and Ashley saved the club yet in another you say you think they fully deserved the millions they took from us. You cant have it both ways, any criticism thrown at Shepherd must also equally go to the Halls, just as the praise for the good times should to.

 

As Caulkin said, take a look down the road for how selling your local football club should be done. Not for the highest bidder or the first past the post but ensuring they have the clubs interests at heart.

 

When you compare what Hall has to say with the article that Sir Bobby wrote a few months before his death it's like chalk and cheese. Whilst gracious that Ashley treated him like royalty at home matches it didn't stop him castigating him for the sheer fucking mess he's caused.

 

I'd love to hear the Ashley sympathisers try to justify why they think Sir Bobby was totally wrong.

[Dr Gloom 22182]

 

Edit :

 

In fact gejon, what is your opinion on handing out all the flak to the Halls and Shepherd [particularly the fat bastard] for not winning the league yet licking Ashleys arse for getting relegated and now topping the 2nd division, as seems to be the current mood ?

 

Not that I expect you to have an informed opinion, you understand.

 

I can see why people were worried about the way we were heading but giving them stick for giving us the best football they have and probably will see for a long time is more than a little stupid.

 

Anyone licking Ashley's arse is a moron, I don't think that is the current mood though.

 

You still have me down as this Halls and Shepherd hater despite never providing any evidence.

 

there are plenty of people licking his arse

 

really? name and shame them. as far as i can see on here, most people think that ashley's time in charge has been a disaster.

[peasepud 59]

 

Edit :

 

In fact gejon, what is your opinion on handing out all the flak to the Halls and Shepherd [particularly the fat bastard] for not winning the league yet licking Ashleys arse for getting relegated and now topping the 2nd division, as seems to be the current mood ?

 

Not that I expect you to have an informed opinion, you understand.

 

I can see why people were worried about the way we were heading but giving them stick for giving us the best football they have and probably will see for a long time is more than a little stupid.

 

Anyone licking Ashley's arse is a moron, I don't think that is the current mood though.

 

You still have me down as this Halls and Shepherd hater despite never providing any evidence.

 

there are plenty of people licking his arse

 

really? name and shame them. as far as i can see on here, most people think that ashley's time in charge has been a disaster.

 

I think its fair to say LM is referring to members of a N Other board.....

[Phil 6]

No problem with SJH or the article.

 

He came into NUFC for the right reasons and I have no problem with the money he made when he decided to get out.

 

Always thought of him as a decent bloke.

 

The money he made selling our club to the first person that would give him the blood money he wanted? regardless of that persons intentions or ability? selling his shares behind the back of his business parter (ie Shepherd) while he lay in a hospital bed?

 

All that is twatful, at best. To be, however, our clubs life president and never be seen at the ground or never be seen to be questioning whats going on is unforgivable. The final nail in the coffin however is to then write an article bleating on about how clubs being bought by people with money who want them as a plaything is wrong when he sold the club to someone who gave that very same reason for taking over.

 

As for not having a problem with the money he made when he decided to get out, Id love to be in a position where I take on a football club "for the love of it", put in a fairly minimal investment then make millions a year out of it and then sell it on for £55m profit and still have people saying he deserves it.

 

You're one of a kind though CT I'll give you that, in one thread you'll argue that the Halls almost bankrupted us and Ashley saved the club yet in another you say you think they fully deserved the millions they took from us. You cant have it both ways, any criticism thrown at Shepherd must also equally go to the Halls, just as the praise for the good times should to.

 

As Caulkin said, take a look down the road for how selling your local football club should be done. Not for the highest bidder or the first past the post but ensuring they have the clubs interests at heart.

 

When you compare what Hall has to say with the article that Sir Bobby wrote a few months before his death it's like chalk and cheese. Whilst gracious that Ashley treated him like royalty at home matches it didn't stop him castigating him for the sheer fucking mess he's caused.

 

I'd love to hear the Ashley sympathisers try to justify why they think Sir Bobby was totally wrong.

 

 

Are you going to provide a link or just run your mouth off?

[Holden McGroin 6785]

Hall can only harbour disappointment about events at Newcastle following Ashley’s arrival, although he insisted that the sportswear retailer’s instincts were correct. “Mike Ashley came in for the right reasons,” he said. “Newcastle gave him a brand name for his business abroad.

 

Ah good thats ok then...thats why he bought us. I'd been wondering about that. If you're a fan of NUFC thats just what you want to hear

 

Caulkin gets it right about Hall....I'm a bit scizophrenic about him. I've no real problem with the money he made by selling the club but the cunt he sold it to proves he didnt give two fucks who it was. And now we have this pile of bollocks highlighted above. Words fuckin fail me.

 

Harsh. For a year the majority of fans thought he was a good appointment. So he suckered us as well basically.

[peasepud 59]

Harsh. For a year the majority of fans thought he was a good appointment. So he suckered us as well basically.

 

He did, and yes we were all suckered, my argument would be that Hall did nothing to confirm how good or bad Ashleys intentions were. He took no time to look into him, he merely grabbed the cash and ran. Plus as "Life President" he should now be kicking off but he doesnt.

[Happy Face 29]

Hall can only harbour disappointment about events at Newcastle following Ashley’s arrival, although he insisted that the sportswear retailer’s instincts were correct. “Mike Ashley came in for the right reasons,” he said. “Newcastle gave him a brand name for his business abroad.

 

Ah good thats ok then...thats why he bought us. I'd been wondering about that. If you're a fan of NUFC thats just what you want to hear

 

Caulkin gets it right about Hall....I'm a bit scizophrenic about him. I've no real problem with the money he made by selling the club but the cunt he sold it to proves he didnt give two fucks who it was. And now we have this pile of bollocks highlighted above. Words fuckin fail me.

 

Harsh. For a year the majority of fans thought he was a good appointment. So he suckered us as well basically.

 

Seems to me what SJH is saying is football is fucked, that chasing success for a club is a philanthropic exercise now, as opposed to a business choice that can return a profit like it had for him and his partners.

 

The philanthropy can have differing motives though. Abramovic has put his money into it it for personal reasons, SJH suggests Ashley was willing to put money into it to generate worldwide exposure for his brand. I don't see realising that and encouraging it as a particularly unreasonable thing for SJH to have done tbh.

 

SJH doesn't have a brand bigger than the club that could profit from worldwide exposure the club offers while it loses money itself. Mike Ashley potentially does, if his Sports Direct chain expanded into the Asian, America or even African markets it could be worth hundreds of millions...billions to him, and could dwarf the costs at NUFC which gained that exposure. If managed correctly it could be the only model left for clubs to stay in business while remaining the money drains they are....unfortunately, even as a brand promoting entity, Ashley has completely fucked it up.

[NJS 4411]

unfortunately, even as a brand promoting entity, Ashley has completely fucked it up.

 

I think this gioes back to the question of is Ashley a good businessman or someone who ripped off the city with his share sale?

 

It's probably the case that he was a reasonable businessman who got a bit lucky with SD due to timing - a bit like Hall and NUFC.

[Giraffidae 0]

Harsh. For a year the majority of fans thought he was a good appointment. So he suckered us as well basically.

 

He did, and yes we were all suckered, my argument would be that Hall did nothing to confirm how good or bad Ashleys intentions were. He took no time to look into him, he merely grabbed the cash and ran. Plus as "Life President" he should now be kicking off but he doesnt.

I’ve always had the feeling that Ashley has got something on SJH that he hasn’t let on about — hence the stand off.

[Craig 6700]

No problem with SJH or the article.

 

He came into NUFC for the right reasons and I have no problem with the money he made when he decided to get out.

 

Always thought of him as a decent bloke.

 

The money he made selling our club to the first person that would give him the blood money he wanted? regardless of that persons intentions or ability? selling his shares behind the back of his business parter (ie Shepherd) while he lay in a hospital bed?

 

All that is twatful, at best. To be, however, our clubs life president and never be seen at the ground or never be seen to be questioning whats going on is unforgivable. The final nail in the coffin however is to then write an article bleating on about how clubs being bought by people with money who want them as a plaything is wrong when he sold the club to someone who gave that very same reason for taking over.

 

As for not having a problem with the money he made when he decided to get out, Id love to be in a position where I take on a football club "for the love of it", put in a fairly minimal investment then make millions a year out of it and then sell it on for £55m profit and still have people saying he deserves it.

 

You're one of a kind though CT I'll give you that, in one thread you'll argue that the Halls almost bankrupted us and Ashley saved the club yet in another you say you think they fully deserved the millions they took from us. You cant have it both ways, any criticism thrown at Shepherd must also equally go to the Halls, just as the praise for the good times should to.

 

As Caulkin said, take a look down the road for how selling your local football club should be done. Not for the highest bidder or the first past the post but ensuring they have the clubs interests at heart.

 

When you compare what Hall has to say with the article that Sir Bobby wrote a few months before his death it's like chalk and cheese. Whilst gracious that Ashley treated him like royalty at home matches it didn't stop him castigating him for the sheer fucking mess he's caused.

 

I'd love to hear the Ashley sympathisers try to justify why they think Sir Bobby was totally wrong.

 

 

Are you going to provide a link or just run your mouth off?

 

The article was linked on here about a year ago - it'll take time to find it, but I will...

[Happy Face 29]

Was it this one...

 

Bobby Robson: Don't blame Mike Ashley for Newcastle's decline

 

[David Kelly 1260]

Back on topic, eh ladies.

 

For me, SJH saw a stirling opportunity. With him he had Fletcher who, apart from apparently being a little shit, brought some brilliance with it. SJH it a capitalist by his own mouth. He knew the potential the club had and the explosion of wealth it could produce with success. Everyone would be a winner. The fans get the club they want and they make a good return on their investment. Who could complain?

 

Well, the bubble burst. Not just for our club but football in general. It got bigger than he could handle and so he stepped away, pockets bulging.

 

For me it depends how you look at it. Do you thank SJH for giving us the best years we've had and will have in a long time or do you condemn him for building us up, floating us, pocketing the cash and walking away?

 

Shepherd was always their puppet in my eyes. Bit like the sacking of bobby. Isnt it that Shepherd was told to do but it wasnt his choice?

This is exactly it for me. The only thing I can really critisise Hall for is for claiming to be something he's not. He didn't come in for the benefit of the fans and we all know it. But what he did benefitted us more than anything any of us could do. Even with the state we have been plunged into now by him selling to Ashley (and his missmanagement which isn't Halls fault) we are still better off than where we were heading before he took control. Because we were a nothing club in decaying stadium that had no hope of going anywhere but down into divisions we've never seen before!

[Craig 6700]

Was it this one...

 

Bobby Robson: Don't blame Mike Ashley for Newcastle's decline

 

 

Nah not that particular one, but it was one from his Mail On Sunday column.

 

There's also these to consider (but again, not the ones I'm referring to).

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?showtopic=21031

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?showtopic=21474

[Phil 6]

Was it this one...

 

Bobby Robson: Don't blame Mike Ashley for Newcastle's decline

 

 

maybe its this one

 

Bobby didn't blame Ashley ... his big disappointment was Wise!

[Craig 6700]

Was it this one...

 

Bobby Robson: Don't blame Mike Ashley for Newcastle's decline

 

 

maybe its this one

 

Bobby didn't blame Ashley ... his big disappointment was Wise!

 

Nah it was definitely one that Robson wrote and made reference to how well Ashley treated him at SJP.

[LeazesMag 0]

Back on topic, eh ladies.

 

For me, SJH saw a stirling opportunity. With him he had Fletcher who, apart from apparently being a little shit, brought some brilliance with it. SJH it a capitalist by his own mouth. He knew the potential the club had and the explosion of wealth it could produce with success. Everyone would be a winner. The fans get the club they want and they make a good return on their investment. Who could complain?

 

Well, the bubble burst. Not just for our club but football in general. It got bigger than he could handle and so he stepped away, pockets bulging.

 

For me it depends how you look at it. Do you thank SJH for giving us the best years we've had and will have in a long time or do you condemn him for building us up, floating us, pocketing the cash and walking away?

 

Shepherd was always their puppet in my eyes. Bit like the sacking of bobby. Isnt it that Shepherd was told to do but it wasnt his choice?

 

 

I generally agree with most of the comments and sentiments expressed here. I don't resent SJH for walking away with the money though, they took the risks in the beginning, he is a businessman and their aim is to make money. If they run the football club and give me a good team to support then thats what I want, shame they didn't win a trophy. So near yet so far, the first one is the hardest.

[LeazesMag 0]

Harsh. For a year the majority of fans thought he was a good appointment. So he suckered us as well basically.

 

He did, and yes we were all suckered, my argument would be that Hall did nothing to confirm how good or bad Ashleys intentions were. He took no time to look into him, he merely grabbed the cash and ran. Plus as "Life President" he should now be kicking off but he doesnt.

 

I agree with that.

[LeazesMag 0]

need to remember where we were and where we were going before SJH stepped in.

 

He is a business man and he did what business men do (good ones not like Ashley) worked for his own interests.

 

We all got something we wanted then it went tits up.

 

I would swop at the drop of a hat SJH for Ashley.

 

Ashley is lucky this season it could havegone either way luckily for him (and us) it seems to be for the positive and some are showing signs of acceptance mainly the media.

 

Wait to we are in the premier again it will be back to the old circus and that is when Ashley needs a Fletcher

 

I agree with all of that too.

[Craig 6700]

No problem with SJH or the article.

 

He came into NUFC for the right reasons and I have no problem with the money he made when he decided to get out.

 

Always thought of him as a decent bloke.

 

The money he made selling our club to the first person that would give him the blood money he wanted? regardless of that persons intentions or ability? selling his shares behind the back of his business parter (ie Shepherd) while he lay in a hospital bed?

 

All that is twatful, at best. To be, however, our clubs life president and never be seen at the ground or never be seen to be questioning whats going on is unforgivable. The final nail in the coffin however is to then write an article bleating on about how clubs being bought by people with money who want them as a plaything is wrong when he sold the club to someone who gave that very same reason for taking over.

 

As for not having a problem with the money he made when he decided to get out, Id love to be in a position where I take on a football club "for the love of it", put in a fairly minimal investment then make millions a year out of it and then sell it on for £55m profit and still have people saying he deserves it.

 

You're one of a kind though CT I'll give you that, in one thread you'll argue that the Halls almost bankrupted us and Ashley saved the club yet in another you say you think they fully deserved the millions they took from us. You cant have it both ways, any criticism thrown at Shepherd must also equally go to the Halls, just as the praise for the good times should to.

 

As Caulkin said, take a look down the road for how selling your local football club should be done. Not for the highest bidder or the first past the post but ensuring they have the clubs interests at heart.

 

When you compare what Hall has to say with the article that Sir Bobby wrote a few months before his death it's like chalk and cheese. Whilst gracious that Ashley treated him like royalty at home matches it didn't stop him castigating him for the sheer fucking mess he's caused.

 

I'd love to hear the Ashley sympathisers try to justify why they think Sir Bobby was totally wrong.

 

 

Are you going to provide a link or just run your mouth off?

 

The article was linked on here about a year ago - it'll take time to find it, but I will...

 

Found it...

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?showtopic=20898

[Christmas Tree 4844]

Back on topic, eh ladies.

 

For me, SJH saw a stirling opportunity. With him he had Fletcher who, apart from apparently being a little shit, brought some brilliance with it. SJH it a capitalist by his own mouth. He knew the potential the club had and the explosion of wealth it could produce with success. Everyone would be a winner. The fans get the club they want and they make a good return on their investment. Who could complain?

 

Well, the bubble burst. Not just for our club but football in general. It got bigger than he could handle and so he stepped away, pockets bulging.

 

For me it depends how you look at it. Do you thank SJH for giving us the best years we've had and will have in a long time or do you condemn him for building us up, floating us, pocketing the cash and walking away?

 

Shepherd was always their puppet in my eyes. Bit like the sacking of bobby. Isnt it that Shepherd was told to do but it wasnt his choice?

This is exactly it for me. The only thing I can really critisise Hall for is for claiming to be something he's not. He didn't come in for the benefit of the fans and we all know it. But what he did benefitted us more than anything any of us could do. Even with the state we have been plunged into now by him selling to Ashley (and his missmanagement which isn't Halls fault) we are still better off than where we were heading before he took control. Because we were a nothing club in decaying stadium that had no hope of going anywhere but down into divisions we've never seen before!

 

 

Hear Hear or Here Here

Edited March 17, 2010 by Christmas Tree

[Christmas Tree 4844]

Harsh. For a year the majority of fans thought he was a good appointment. So he suckered us as well basically.

 

He did, and yes we were all suckered, my argument would be that Hall did nothing to confirm how good or bad Ashleys intentions were. He took no time to look into him, he merely grabbed the cash and ran. Plus as "Life President" he should now be kicking off but he doesnt.

 

I agree with that.

 

 

I dont think Ashley suckered anybody. It went tits up for lots of reason but up until the Keegan appointment and what followed, I dont see any suckering going on.

[Holden McGroin 6785]

Harsh. For a year the majority of fans thought he was a good appointment. So he suckered us as well basically.

 

He did, and yes we were all suckered, my argument would be that Hall did nothing to confirm how good or bad Ashleys intentions were. He took no time to look into him, he merely grabbed the cash and ran. Plus as "Life President" he should now be kicking off but he doesnt.

 

Im not sure how you can level that at SJH, Perhaps Ashley came in with good intentions. Perhaps he just bullshitted him. Nobody really knows (bar SJH and Ashley) though, so I guess its a moot point.