AgentAxeman 164 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 The Super Milliband Bros Renton, may i please have some of the substances you've been ingesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Problem Child 0 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 (edited) Following on from Happys point. The parties are now so close in the middle ground that coalitions should now work in grown up politics. Old party lines make a lot of us seem a lot further apart politically than in reality we actually are. I suspect most on here are fairly decent, happy to do their bit, believe in fairness and want good public services and a decent society for our families to live in. It's the old part lines that focus's our attention on the differences, rather than what we agree on. New politics, bring it on. If you really believe that you should support the Lib Dems. Sounds like wooly bullshit to me like, but that's not to say we couldn't develop some form of PR that works well, other countries manage it. PR has many benefits. Every vote counts so parliament actually reflects public opinion, for as long as I can remember we’ve been governed by a party the majority of the country didn’t vote for. Under FPTP the views of people who live in marginal seats carry a grossly disproportionate weight, which is wrong whichever way you look at it. PR would also protects us from obviously bad or extreme policy getting pushed through parliament, and it provides a proper mechanism for getting on with things when the national vote is split three ways like we have now. Edited May 7, 2010 by Problem Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 As Renton has said, I really can't see how a Li Dem and Tory pact could work. The Lib Dems are far more likely to get their way by siding with Labour. I think that Clegg privately thinks that Brown is the far better bet for the economy and probably willing to stick Vincey boy in the cabinet, whilst the Tories want clueless Osbourne in. Osbournes life in politics will be short lived. Of that I have no doubt. Similar to his big-foreheaded pal, I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Following on from Happys point. The parties are now so close in the middle ground that coalitions should now work in grown up politics. Old party lines make a lot of us seem a lot further apart politically than in reality we actually are. I suspect most on here are fairly decent, happy to do their bit, believe in fairness and want good public services and a decent society for our families to live in. It's the old part lines that focus's our attention on the differences, rather than what we agree on. New politics, bring it on. If you really believe that you should support the Lib Dems. Sounds like wooly bullshit to me like, but that's not to say we couldn't develop some form of PR that works well, other countries manage it. PR has many benefits. Every vote counts so parliament actually reflects public opinion, for as long as I can remember we’ve been governed by a party the majority of the country didn’t vote for. Under FPTP the views of people who live in marginal seats carry a grossly disproportionate weight, which is wrong whichever way you look at it. PR would also protects us from obviously bad or extreme policy getting pushed through parliament, and it provides a proper mechanism for getting on with things when the national vote is split three ways like we have now. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 I was actually thinking last night that the tories have nothing in the locker regarding up and coming politicians as well - are Cameron and Osbourne really the best they have to offer? I think Labour might have a few in the pipeline and we'll see The Super Milliband Bros in power after this tory lot are unevitably booted out. Hopefully. That's what I've been saying to anyone thinking of voting Tory because of Cameron. Yes, he might have these big ideas, but his party his still full of useless shite that he'll have to back down on quite a few of them. That's if you believe he was going to do some of the things he promised anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 I was actually thinking last night that the tories have nothing in the locker regarding up and coming politicians as well - are Cameron and Osbourne really the best they have to offer? I think Labour might have a few in the pipeline and we'll see The Super Milliband Bros in power after this tory lot are unevitably booted out. Hopefully. That's what I've been saying to anyone thinking of voting Tory because of Cameron. Yes, he might have these big ideas, but his party his still full of useless shite that he'll have to back down on quite a few of them. That's if you believe he was going to do some of the things he promised anyway... In a similar vein, the Tories have loads of rebels in their back benches which'll make it hard for them to govern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 I was actually thinking last night that the tories have nothing in the locker regarding up and coming politicians as well - are Cameron and Osbourne really the best they have to offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4252 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 That's what I've been saying to anyone thinking of voting Tory because of Cameron. Yes, he might have these big ideas, but his party his still full of useless shite that he'll have to back down on quite a few of them. That's if you believe he was going to do some of the things he promised anyway... The difference between the Tories and Labour now is that what Mandelson and Brown say pretty much goes. The Tory leader however (even Thatcher found this) is much more under the control of the 1922 committee and other backroom bigwigs - it'll be they who are deciding Cameron's deal imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. He didn't seem to have any issue taking up residence at No 10 without an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 That's what I've been saying to anyone thinking of voting Tory because of Cameron. Yes, he might have these big ideas, but his party his still full of useless shite that he'll have to back down on quite a few of them. That's if you believe he was going to do some of the things he promised anyway... The difference between the Tories and Labour now is that what Mandelson and Brown say pretty much goes. The Tory leader however (even Thatcher found this) is much more under the control of the 1922 committee and other backroom bigwigs - it'll be they who are deciding Cameron's deal imo. Oh aye, the Tory campaign has been all about Cameron and no-one else..on the basis that the rest of them are a bunch of bumbling bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20414 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. He didn't seem to have any issue taking up residence at No 10 without an election. Did Major? We're not the USA, we don't vote for a president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. He didn't seem to have any issue taking up residence at No 10 without an election. Just like 2 Tories have in recent history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Phil is seething. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20414 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Phil is seething. Hoping for big cuts in his 70% tax rate under the tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15111 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Any situation in which people in this country are happy to elect someone called Rees-Mogg to parliament is bad shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. He didn't seem to have any issue taking up residence at No 10 without an election. Did Major? We're not the USA, we don't vote for a president. Two wrongs make a right in your book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. He didn't seem to have any issue taking up residence at No 10 without an election. Did Major? We're not the USA, we don't vote for a president. Two wrongs make a right in your book? Ah well, two figures plucked out of your arse make a tax rate in your book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. He didn't seem to have any issue taking up residence at No 10 without an election. Did Major? We're not the USA, we don't vote for a president. Two wrongs make a right in your book? You could argue it's unfair but there's nothing wrong with it in constitutional terms. Perhaps electoral reform is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4433 Posted May 7, 2010 Author Share Posted May 7, 2010 Following on from Happys point. The parties are now so close in the middle ground that coalitions should now work in grown up politics. Old party lines make a lot of us seem a lot further apart politically than in reality we actually are. I suspect most on here are fairly decent, happy to do their bit, believe in fairness and want good public services and a decent society for our families to live in. It's the old part lines that focus's our attention on the differences, rather than what we agree on. New politics, bring it on. If you really believe that you should support the Lib Dems. Sounds like wooly bullshit to me like, but that's not to say we couldn't develop some form of PR that works well, other countries manage it. PR has many benefits. Every vote counts so parliament actually reflects public opinion, for as long as I can remember we’ve been governed by a party the majority of the country didn’t vote for. Under FPTP the views of people who live in marginal seats carry a grossly disproportionate weight, which is wrong whichever way you look at it. PR would also protects us from obviously bad or extreme policy getting pushed through parliament, and it provides a proper mechanism for getting on with things when the national vote is split three ways like we have now. Well said. However it must have many down sides since no-one Labour or Tory have brought it in. I'll have to find a nice unbiassed source to read up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 There is "not very much happiness among Conservative ranks" about the election result and there are mutterings that the campaign actually reduced support, Spectator editor Fraser Nelson says. Clearly it did like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4433 Posted May 7, 2010 Author Share Posted May 7, 2010 I was actually thinking last night that the tories have nothing in the locker regarding up and coming politicians as well - are Cameron and Osbourne really the best they have to offer? I think Labour might have a few in the pipeline and we'll see The Super Milliband Bros in power after this tory lot are unevitably booted out. Hopefully. Lockers being topped up nicely overnight tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4433 Posted May 7, 2010 Author Share Posted May 7, 2010 As Renton has said, I really can't see how a Li Dem and Tory pact could work. The Lib Dems are far more likely to get their way by siding with Labour. I think that Clegg privately thinks that Brown is the far better bet for the economy and probably willing to stick Vincey boy in the cabinet, whilst the Tories want clueless Osbourne in. Osbournes life in politics will be short lived. Of that I have no doubt. Dave's mate though isn't he? Now I know I have an anti-Tory stance, but Osbourne really doesn't install me with confidence when it comes to the economy, bit of a bumbler. With a bit of luck they'll let vincy in. Seriously, what planet are you on CT? You can really see Cameron replacing his mate Osbourne with Vince Cable in a coalition? Ain't going to happen. one where the torys are the best vote for a taxi driver says it all Precisely what does that say then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4433 Posted May 7, 2010 Author Share Posted May 7, 2010 Brown only just beat Michael Foot. Untenable. He'll be gone before supper time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Following on from Happys point. The parties are now so close in the middle ground that coalitions should now work in grown up politics. Old party lines make a lot of us seem a lot further apart politically than in reality we actually are. I suspect most on here are fairly decent, happy to do their bit, believe in fairness and want good public services and a decent society for our families to live in. It's the old part lines that focus's our attention on the differences, rather than what we agree on. New politics, bring it on. If you really believe that you should support the Lib Dems. Sounds like wooly bullshit to me like, but that's not to say we couldn't develop some form of PR that works well, other countries manage it. PR has many benefits. Every vote counts so parliament actually reflects public opinion, for as long as I can remember we’ve been governed by a party the majority of the country didn’t vote for. Under FPTP the views of people who live in marginal seats carry a grossly disproportionate weight, which is wrong whichever way you look at it. PR would also protects us from obviously bad or extreme policy getting pushed through parliament, and it provides a proper mechanism for getting on with things when the national vote is split three ways like we have now. Well said. However it must have many down sides since no-one Labour or Tory have brought it in. I'll have to find a nice unbiassed source to read up on it. Election historian on the BBC just saying he's against it. Suggested you need this kind of result twice in a row to say it's failed...which has never happened. Also leads to a lot of smaller parties with more MPs causing congestion in the commons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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