Meenzer 15429 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Clegg has apparently called for an end to Lord Ashdown! Surely he means Ashcroft, but all the same... Aye, we all did a Brown-style facepalm at that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7073 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Be Brave, vote for Dave. Be an automaton, vote for Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30368 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Gordon Brown's visit to Ipswich was designed to show off the redeveloped waterfront with its new housing, businesses and university campus. It certainly looks impressive but as ever there are at least two sides to every story, reports the BBC's James Cook. A policeman told us of problems with immigration, graffiti and anti-social behaviour. He also said the value of the flats had plummeted since the first buyers moved in. The controlled nature of Mr Brown's question-and-answer session also caused some problems. One woman wanted to see the prime minister but was refused entry because she wasn't on the guest list. As she was turned away, she said Mr Brown had now lost her vote He's being fat too selective of who he speaks to I fear. This won't be helping his cause one bit. I think I read that Cameron has met a lot less 'real' people than Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Maybe so. I'm very surprised though in light of last week's events that Brown's team are being so draconian. Not heard of either the Tories of the Lib Dems 'ejecting' people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30368 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Are you talking about the heckler? Surely that's standard procedure at any public meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Aye... must admit the press are keen to make the most of it like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4721 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Thing is, this performance wouldn't withstand five minutes of serious scrutiny. I could open a supermarket, no problem, but sit me opposite a combative Jeremy Paxman and I'd have a massive nervous breakdown within five minutes. With Brown, it's the other way around. In the supermarket, he looked so anxious I half-expected him to climb inside a freezer compartment and refuse to come out until everyone else had left. In his interview with Paxman, held in the wake of the preposterous Bigotgate storm and a widely criticised final debate, he was frighteningly confident. At times, he even seemed to be enjoying himself. Technical in the social situation, sociable in the technical situation? That's the hallmark of a nerd. And most nerds are simply too gawky – gawky, not aloof – to connect with the general public. bang on, Brown always comes across as being out of his depth when hes out in the world but stick him down and actually ask him serious political questions and hes regularly very good shame hes portrayed as a bungler when he isn't one, if it was ever focused on when he did well then the tories wouldnt have such a good chance of winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4709 Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 Thing is, this performance wouldn't withstand five minutes of serious scrutiny. I could open a supermarket, no problem, but sit me opposite a combative Jeremy Paxman and I'd have a massive nervous breakdown within five minutes. With Brown, it's the other way around. In the supermarket, he looked so anxious I half-expected him to climb inside a freezer compartment and refuse to come out until everyone else had left. In his interview with Paxman, held in the wake of the preposterous Bigotgate storm and a widely criticised final debate, he was frighteningly confident. At times, he even seemed to be enjoying himself. Technical in the social situation, sociable in the technical situation? That's the hallmark of a nerd. And most nerds are simply too gawky – gawky, not aloof – to connect with the general public. bang on, Brown always comes across as being out of his depth when hes out in the world but stick him down and actually ask him serious political questions and hes regularly very good shame hes portrayed as a bungler when he isn't one, if it was ever focused on when he did well then the tories wouldnt have such a good chance of winning Brown always comes across as being out of his depth Thats because he constantly is. Since Blair left his own party has dallied over whether to replace him but could only come up with the very weak Milliband. ask him serious political questions and hes regularly very good I can not agree. He always seems to dodge "real" answers and instead tries to scare voters over issues. hes portrayed as a bungler when he isn't one Apparently Mandelsons nickname for Brown is Captain Bungle. if it was ever focused on when he did well Thats because the only time it appeared that he was doing well was when he inherited a fantastic economy from the Tories in 1997, a point agreed upon by all political commentators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4721 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 as a tory supporter you criticise about trying to scare voters? I quote here, david cameron "OH MY FUCKING GOD A HUNG PARLIMENT? IT'LL FUCKING RUIN US ALL, FIRE WILL RAIN FROM THE SKIES, YOU MUST VOTE TORY, SAVE US ALL" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4709 Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 Right then, Just watched the last of the three debates and can only call it as a huge win for Cameron. The ever irritating Clegg seemed to fall very short and come across as very weak on most issues. More and more his PR background is very telling and his one trick showman act has no substance to it whatsoever. Brown did a bit better than previous debates on the economy, but then returned to a very old style 70's politician with nothing new to say just accusations and scaremongering. His presentation was awful and his plastic smile at the end was hideous. Cameron I thought was brilliant and is definitely the "change" candidate. I think he had all the answers and new ideas and expressed them very sincerely. I fully understand die hards hatred for "The Tories" but I do feel Cameron "wants" to do the right thing and is a different breed of Tory to his predecessors. I dont see the act or pretence that is very clear in Clegg and Brown but do see someone who strikes me as very genuine about the changes he wants to make. As Blair was a breath of fresh air after a stale tory government, I hope cameron will rid us of this tired Labour government. The depressing fact however is that whoever wins on Thursday, the country is well and truly financially fucked for the foreseeable future. Thanks Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4709 Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 as a tory supporter you criticise about trying to scare voters? I quote here, david cameron "OH MY FUCKING GOD A HUNG PARLIMENT? IT'LL FUCKING RUIN US ALL, FIRE WILL RAIN FROM THE SKIES, YOU MUST VOTE TORY, SAVE US ALL" Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4721 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 as a tory supporter you criticise about trying to scare voters? I quote here, david cameron "OH MY FUCKING GOD A HUNG PARLIMENT? IT'LL FUCKING RUIN US ALL, FIRE WILL RAIN FROM THE SKIES, YOU MUST VOTE TORY, SAVE US ALL" Link? I thought you were supposed to have been following this election campaign? you really need me to give you quotes from your own chosen parties leader? call yourself a tory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4721 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 however on a serious note, I cant be arsed finding a link, I'm sure it wouldnt be hard, cameron was throwing all the scare tacs out with regards to a hung parliament, something like all decisions behind closed door, frequent elections (god forbid) and a disaster for the economy so you should vote tory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6543 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 I'd have reservations about Cameron taking my bins out never mind running the country. Oh, and he has a face you'd love to hit. Repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21392 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Aye, it's incredibly rich for the tories to acuse anyone of scaremongering when they have claimed a hung parliament would mean the IMF was called in. Linky. Let's not forget that the conservatives have 80% of the media in their pocket - witness the pathetic character assassination attempts aimed at Clegg when he became a perceived threat to them. American style negative tactics at its most extreme, and frankly sickening. CT, I doubt you've convinced anyone to vote for your tory chums, in fact you've probably done the opposite. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Cameron I thought was brilliant and is definitely the "change" candidate. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10776 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Right then, Just watched the last of the three debates and can only call it as a huge win for Cameron. The ever irritating Clegg seemed to fall very short and come across as very weak on most issues. More and more his PR background is very telling and his one trick showman act has no substance to it whatsoever. Brown did a bit better than previous debates on the economy, but then returned to a very old style 70's politician with nothing new to say just accusations and scaremongering. His presentation was awful and his plastic smile at the end was hideous. Cameron I thought was brilliant and is definitely the "change" candidate. I think he had all the answers and new ideas and expressed them very sincerely. I fully understand die hards hatred for "The Tories" but I do feel Cameron "wants" to do the right thing and is a different breed of Tory to his predecessors. I dont see the act or pretence that is very clear in Clegg and Brown but do see someone who strikes me as very genuine about the changes he wants to make. As Blair was a breath of fresh air after a stale tory government, I hope cameron will rid us of this tired Labour government. The depressing fact however is that whoever wins on Thursday, the country is well and truly financially fucked for the foreseeable future. Thanks Gordon. Now there's a shock. I reckon the tories will win and we'll have about five years of them screwing people over then it'll be a landslide for a Labour or Lib Dem government because everyone will be reminded of how badly the tories get it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barrack Road Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 "We have a real fighting chance." Caroline Lucas, Greens Bit like Leon Best does of breaking Shearer's toon goalscoring record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4709 Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share Posted May 4, 2010 The Financial Times has switched allegiance to the Tories having backed Labour at the previous four General Elections. Explaining its decision to endorse the Conservatives, the paper's leader says: "This newspaper still has questions about Mr Cameron and his party. "The Tories' reflexive hostility to Europe, for instance, is worrying, whatever his protestations that he wants a constructive relationship with Brussels. "His team is young and for the most part untested. "Given the opinion polls, it is conceivable that no party will win a clear majority. "This need not be a disaster, though Britain's experience of minority or coalition governments is not reassuring. "A perverse result, such as Labour coming third in the vote and winning the most seats, would increase pressure for electoral reform, perhaps irresistibly. "But that debate must come after the election. "Britain needs a stable and legitimate government to navigate its fiscal crisis and punch its weight abroad. On balance, the Conservative party best fits the bill." The FT's endorsement of the Tories follows announcements from a series of papers over the weekend each pledging their allegiance to a particular party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 as a tory supporter you criticise about trying to scare voters? I quote here, david cameron "OH MY FUCKING GOD A HUNG PARLIMENT? IT'LL FUCKING RUIN US ALL, FIRE WILL RAIN FROM THE SKIES, YOU MUST VOTE TORY, SAVE US ALL" Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4709 Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share Posted May 4, 2010 The Desperate Party Labour Ministers urge voters to vote AGAINST Labour candidates to keep the Conservatives out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ele...010/8658694.stm This is why they have to go. The likes of Ed no Balls and Peter Hain so desperate to keep their noses in the trough that they want voters to vote against new Labour candidates. Get Rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 This is why they have to go. Not because of how they've governed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Aye, it's incredibly rich for the tories to acuse anyone of scaremongering when they have claimed a hung parliament would mean the IMF was called in. Linky. Let's not forget that the conservatives have 80% of the media in their pocket - witness the pathetic character assassination attempts aimed at Clegg when he became a perceived threat to them. American style negative tactics at its most extreme, and frankly sickening. CT, I doubt you've convinced anyone to vote for your tory chums, in fact you've probably done the opposite. Keep up the good work. Scare tactics are saying don't vote for Dave he'll cut your benifits and you'll lose your jobs - both of which are wildly untrue. Stating the IMF will need to intervien the Tory and Labour distinct different approach (tax vs cuts) is f**cking obvious. Here are scare tatics, which the Torys deserve a medal for not pedalling more. FACT: Labour have run up £850 billion in debt, which costs us £42 billion a year to service. That's more than we spend on Police. So if you think the services are good under . Go ahead and vote for the muppet, just don't cry when the country collapses and the rich wont help you. NI rises LMAO, what next a tax on air? But then thats Gordon for you. No charm so he MUST be clever. The irony is your voting for Mandelson, everything Old Labour isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21392 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 The Desperate Party Labour Ministers urge voters to vote AGAINST Labour candidates to keep the Conservatives out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ele...010/8658694.stm This is why they have to go. The likes of Ed no Balls and Peter Hain so desperate to keep their noses in the trough that they want voters to vote against new Labour candidates. Get Rid Naah, tactical voting makes perfect sense in constituencies where the party in question can't feasibly win. I suspect most potential Lib Dem voters believe in progressive politics and will be most concerned with keeping the tories out. More importantly though, the Conservatives still believe in heriditary peerage and are against electoral reform on any terms. The Lib Dems realistically need a hung parliament and a coalition with Labour for electoral reform to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21392 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Aye, it's incredibly rich for the tories to acuse anyone of scaremongering when they have claimed a hung parliament would mean the IMF was called in. Linky. Let's not forget that the conservatives have 80% of the media in their pocket - witness the pathetic character assassination attempts aimed at Clegg when he became a perceived threat to them. American style negative tactics at its most extreme, and frankly sickening. CT, I doubt you've convinced anyone to vote for your tory chums, in fact you've probably done the opposite. Keep up the good work. Scare tactics are saying don't vote for Dave he'll cut your benifits and you'll lose your jobs - both of which are wildly untrue. Stating the IMF will need to intervien the Tory and Labour distinct different approach (tax vs cuts) is f**cking obvious. Here are scare tatics, which the Torys deserve a medal for not pedalling more. FACT: Labour have run up £850 billion in debt, which costs us £42 billion a year to service. That's more than we spend on Police. So if you think the services are good under . Go ahead and vote for the muppet, just don't cry when the country collapses and the rich wont help you. NI rises LMAO, what next a tax on air? But then thats Gordon for you. No charm so he MUST be clever. The irony is your voting for Mandelson, everything Old Labour isn't. I can't make head nor tail of that post. You sound unhinged tbh. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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