General Election 2010

[Christmas Tree 4841]

Thats not here now, even after so many years of one party, im not sure that there is a great appetite for change, even in closet tories like me.

 

I think it would have been very interesting if the crunch hadn't happened - the tories would have been able to promise quite large tax cuts and Labour would have been able to pursue a quite radical agenda to combat that.

 

I think now both are a bit timid (understandably) knowing we're skint.

 

I listened to a bit of the debate on five live with Victoria Derbyshire interviewing George Osbourne.

 

The big talking point of the election is about who is going to reduce the debt quickest and the least painfully. Not really inspiring stuff for the man in the street who really just wants to know when he can borrow some more!!!

[Renton 22004]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

[NJS 4411]

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

I have my "impression" of how the Tories have always been passed doen by my parents. I know that sounds irrational and sheeplike to a degree but if you're taught that a trend exists and then you see it for yourself in its full glory the lesson stands.

[Christmas Tree 4841]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

 

While not a great political historian, I am quite confident your comments have little truth or sense behind them.

 

Others will be more informed on the subject but didnt the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit and carry out massive social housing and school building programs in the pre second world ward days? Hardly representing the affluent!!!

 

I am sure there are plenty of other great achievements by Tory governments.

 

And as for having a go at potential leaders of the country for going to a very good school!!!!! Would you rather they went to Bensham comp?

[Craig 6700]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

That argument about private education doesn't really wash with me I'm afraid Renton. Yes, both of them when to private but significant members of the Labour Party likely did the same. And as for the blue leopard not changing its spots, are you forgetting that John Major left Grammar School at 16 with only 3 'O' Levels?

[Christmas Tree 4841]

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

I have my "impression" of how the Tories have always been passed doen by my parents. I know that sounds irrational and sheeplike to a degree but if you're taught that a trend exists and then you see it for yourself in its full glory the lesson stands.

 

 

I really hope there is someone on here who can draw up a little top twenty list of tory government achievements just to dispell a few of these myths.

[Christmas Tree 4841]

Conservatives and Labour launch Iphone app / swingometer

 

http://blogs.news.sky.com/boultonandco/Pos...11-225794ae09c0

[Renton 22004]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

 

While not a great political historian, I am quite confident your comments have little truth or sense behind them.

 

Others will be more informed on the subject but didnt the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit and carry out massive social housing and school building programs in the pre second world ward days? Hardly representing the affluent!!!

 

I am sure there are plenty of other great achievements by Tory governments.

 

And as for having a go at potential leaders of the country for going to a very good school!!!!! Would you rather they went to Bensham comp?

 

Were the tories ever responsible for the things you mention? I don't honestly know, hopefully someone else does, but its telling you have to go back over 70 years to name any examples of how they have benefitted 'the common man'. They were resolutely against the foundation of the NHS though, I know that much. More fundamentally they obviously do not have socialist values by definition.

 

I'd rather have a leader based on merit, not privilege, wherever they're from. A person from Bensham has as much right to lead this country as one of those silver-spooned nobheads imo.

[Christmas Tree 4841]

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

I have my "impression" of how the Tories have always been passed doen by my parents. I know that sounds irrational and sheeplike to a degree but if you're taught that a trend exists and then you see it for yourself in its full glory the lesson stands.

 

 

I really hope there is someone on here who can draw up a little top twenty list of tory government achievements just to dispell a few of these myths.

 

 

They also introduced the National Lottery.....24 Billion for good causes

[Renton 22004]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

That argument about private education doesn't really wash with me I'm afraid Renton. Yes, both of them when to private but significant members of the Labour Party likely did the same. And as for the blue leopard not changing its spots, are you forgetting that John Major left Grammar School at 16 with only 3 'O' Levels?

 

They went to Eton Craig, not any normal public school. It's a matter of degree as well - yes some Labour MPs went to private schools but the proportion is much less than it is for the tories. John Mayor is irrelevant, two Etonians carry the tory torch tree now, they're reverting back to type. You'd have been better citing Thatcher actually, she wasn't especially privileged, I'll give her that.

[Craig 6700]

I agree they were wrong with regards to the foundation of the NHS, but would you not agree that Labour have been wrong about things during their present and previous tenures? One swallow doesn't make a summer.

 

As for you last paragraph - couldn't agree more but surely the inverse is true too? You can't berate them an account of their private education just as you couldn't on account of someone being education at Bensham Comp.

[Christmas Tree 4841]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

 

While not a great political historian, I am quite confident your comments have little truth or sense behind them.

 

Others will be more informed on the subject but didnt the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit and carry out massive social housing and school building programs in the pre second world ward days? Hardly representing the affluent!!!

 

I am sure there are plenty of other great achievements by Tory governments.

 

And as for having a go at potential leaders of the country for going to a very good school!!!!! Would you rather they went to Bensham comp?

 

Were the tories ever responsible for the things you mention? I don't honestly know, hopefully someone else does, but its telling you have to go back over 70 years to name any examples of how they have benefitted 'the common man'. They were resolutely against the foundation of the NHS though, I know that much. More fundamentally they obviously do not have socialist values by definition.

 

I'd rather have a leader based on merit, not privilege, wherever they're from. A person from Bensham has as much right to lead this country as one of those silver-spooned nobheads imo.

 

 

Tell that to all the commen folk who now own their council house.

[Renton 22004]

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

I have my "impression" of how the Tories have always been passed doen by my parents. I know that sounds irrational and sheeplike to a degree but if you're taught that a trend exists and then you see it for yourself in its full glory the lesson stands.

 

 

I really hope there is someone on here who can draw up a little top twenty list of tory government achievements just to dispell a few of these myths.

 

If they're myths why don't you dispell them yourself?

[ewerk 31218]

What about the Right to Buy scheme? Did it benefit the common man by allowing him to own his own property or did it simply create a shortage of social housing?

[NJS 4411]

The original "welfare state" founding legislation was under Lloyd George who was a liberal before the labour party existed - I'm not sure exactly what that actually entailed being honest.

 

Obviously the Beveridge report that was the basis for the NHS was Labour.

[Christmas Tree 4841]

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

I have my "impression" of how the Tories have always been passed doen by my parents. I know that sounds irrational and sheeplike to a degree but if you're taught that a trend exists and then you see it for yourself in its full glory the lesson stands.

 

 

I really hope there is someone on here who can draw up a little top twenty list of tory government achievements just to dispell a few of these myths.

 

If they're myths why don't you dispell them yourself?

 

I just did

 

the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit and carry out massive social housing and school building programs

[Craig 6700]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

That argument about private education doesn't really wash with me I'm afraid Renton. Yes, both of them when to private but significant members of the Labour Party likely did the same. And as for the blue leopard not changing its spots, are you forgetting that John Major left Grammar School at 16 with only 3 'O' Levels?

 

They went to Eton Craig, not any normal public school. It's a matter of degree as well - yes some Labour MPs went to private schools but the proportion is much less than it is for the tories. John Mayor is irrelevant, two Etonians carry the tory torch tree now, they're reverting back to type. You'd have been better citing Thatcher actually, she wasn't especially privileged, I'll give her that.

 

Why? Because he doesn't fit into your model?

 

From a neutral perspective your view appears to be very biggotted.

[Christmas Tree 4841]

What about the Right to Buy scheme? Did it benefit the common man by allowing him to own his own property or did it simply create a shortage of social housing?

 

 

Any of the previous governments could have addressed the shortage if they had so desired.

[NJS 4411]

What about the Right to Buy scheme? Did it benefit the common man by allowing him to own his own property or did it simply create a shortage of social housing?

 

Cynically speaking, she thought property owner = tory voter as that's how it had generally been previously.

 

I think the undersold values adds to that view and the legislastion to prevent the raised money being spent on replacements was the icing on the cake.

 

Many other countries have mainly rented homes with no disadvantage.

[Renton 22004]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

 

While not a great political historian, I am quite confident your comments have little truth or sense behind them.

 

Others will be more informed on the subject but didnt the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit and carry out massive social housing and school building programs in the pre second world ward days? Hardly representing the affluent!!!

 

I am sure there are plenty of other great achievements by Tory governments.

 

And as for having a go at potential leaders of the country for going to a very good school!!!!! Would you rather they went to Bensham comp?

 

Were the tories ever responsible for the things you mention? I don't honestly know, hopefully someone else does, but its telling you have to go back over 70 years to name any examples of how they have benefitted 'the common man'. They were resolutely against the foundation of the NHS though, I know that much. More fundamentally they obviously do not have socialist values by definition.

 

I'd rather have a leader based on merit, not privilege, wherever they're from. A person from Bensham has as much right to lead this country as one of those silver-spooned nobheads imo.

 

 

Tell that to all the commen folk who now own their council house.

 

Nice to know Thatcher's bribe still has sway with people. Pity it has resulted in a housing crisis for so many people though, who now can't afford to buy their own property but can't find decent accomodation to rent. This is all part of the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude which has plagued our society since the 80s imo.

[NJS 4411]

I just did

 

the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit

 

So what was Lloyd George's contribution?

[Christmas Tree 4841]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

That argument about private education doesn't really wash with me I'm afraid Renton. Yes, both of them when to private but significant members of the Labour Party likely did the same. And as for the blue leopard not changing its spots, are you forgetting that John Major left Grammar School at 16 with only 3 'O' Levels?

 

They went to Eton Craig, not any normal public school. It's a matter of degree as well - yes some Labour MPs went to private schools but the proportion is much less than it is for the tories. John Mayor is irrelevant, two Etonians carry the tory torch tree now, they're reverting back to type. You'd have been better citing Thatcher actually, she wasn't especially privileged, I'll give her that.

 

Why? Because he doesn't fit into your model?

 

From a neutral perspective your view appears to be very biggotted.

 

Always had him down as a snob

 

This is the problem with politics. It should be about judging the people standing on their own personal merits / political history and the program of government (manifesto) being put forward.

 

To simply always vote one way because of a particular bias is just plain stupid imo.

[Renton 22004]

As for you last paragraph - couldn't agree more but surely the inverse is true too? You can't berate them an account of their private education just as you couldn't on account of someone being education at Bensham Comp.

 

If they win, will it be a coincidence that the two most powerful men in the UK will have gone to the same most expensive school in the country, or will it say something about privilege in the tory party?

[Craig 6700]

The idea of a hung parliament/coalition appeals to me on the one hand as I like the idea of a collaborative consensus drawing from a few sides of any debate. The argument against that has always been it restricts a government with a firm progressive mandate which is true but I think those days are over anyway.

 

I agree there is a shelf-life concept in the UK - to some extent I was surprised Major lost as I never found Blair's vision that inspiring - I had a feeling they would fail to right many of the wrongs but a bit of that was due to Major acting as a buffer from people's memories of what the bitch had done.

 

I would make the point that I've always found the concept of "What will they do for me?" to be a core fault. It may be idealistic but I'd like more people to think about the common good. I know that personally I would probably be better off under a Tory govenment but as someone who didn't suffer too bad personally last time but had to witness what they did to the NE and the rest of the country, I found it painful and wouldn't want a repeat.

 

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

Not just the Thatcher government though was it? Historically tory governments have always been about representing the affluent and priveleged, and the South of England.

 

Have you seen the make up of the present tory party? Virtually all went to private schools, and most of them not even 'normal' private schools at that. Cameron and Osbourne, obviously the most significant tories, are both Etonians ffs. What on Earth makes you think this particular blue leopard will change its spots? Because they have a tree drawn by a 5 year old as their logo?

 

 

While not a great political historian, I am quite confident your comments have little truth or sense behind them.

 

Others will be more informed on the subject but didnt the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit and carry out massive social housing and school building programs in the pre second world ward days? Hardly representing the affluent!!!

 

I am sure there are plenty of other great achievements by Tory governments.

 

And as for having a go at potential leaders of the country for going to a very good school!!!!! Would you rather they went to Bensham comp?

 

Were the tories ever responsible for the things you mention? I don't honestly know, hopefully someone else does, but its telling you have to go back over 70 years to name any examples of how they have benefitted 'the common man'. They were resolutely against the foundation of the NHS though, I know that much. More fundamentally they obviously do not have socialist values by definition.

 

I'd rather have a leader based on merit, not privilege, wherever they're from. A person from Bensham has as much right to lead this country as one of those silver-spooned nobheads imo.

 

 

Tell that to all the commen folk who now own their council house.

 

Nice to know Thatcher's bribe still has sway with people. Pity it has resulted in a housing crisis for so many people though, who now can't afford to buy their own property but can't find decent accomodation to rent. This is all part of the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude which has plagued our society since the 80s imo.

 

Don't you think the sitting government have had plenty of opportunity to address that issue? We were, after all in a position of economic 'grandeur' at the turn of the century.

[Renton 22004]

But you cant for all time hold every conservative government responsible for what a previous government did? Where would you draw the line in history?

 

I have my "impression" of how the Tories have always been passed doen by my parents. I know that sounds irrational and sheeplike to a degree but if you're taught that a trend exists and then you see it for yourself in its full glory the lesson stands.

 

 

I really hope there is someone on here who can draw up a little top twenty list of tory government achievements just to dispell a few of these myths.

 

If they're myths why don't you dispell them yourself?

 

I just did

 

the tories introduce the pension, unemployment benefit and carry out massive social housing and school building programs

 

That seems to be a matter of dispute.