General Election 2010

[Park Life 71]

It's about time someone produced an opinion poll of Liberal voters on whether they'd still have voted that way if they knew the outcome.

 

Obviously there will be people like Meenzer (I think) who sees this outcome, whether backing the Tories or Labour, as the whole point but I'd like to see how many "I actually voted anti-Tory" views there are (or even anti-Labour).

 

From personal anecdotes I'd think that most are literally horrified at what has happened. After all, they were generally more left wing than New Labour and I know how I would feel about a Lab-Con pact. I use the past tense in reference to the Liberals purposefully.

 

Incidentally I was talking to quite a few economists on Tuesday night and not one of them were confident about the Conservatives in general or this coalition specifically.

 

It's cause the solutions are few and the problems are many.

[Renton 21404]

It's about time someone produced an opinion poll of Liberal voters on whether they'd still have voted that way if they knew the outcome.

 

Obviously there will be people like Meenzer (I think) who sees this outcome, whether backing the Tories or Labour, as the whole point but I'd like to see how many "I actually voted anti-Tory" views there are (or even anti-Labour).

 

From personal anecdotes I'd think that most are literally horrified at what has happened. After all, they were generally more left wing than New Labour and I know how I would feel about a Lab-Con pact. I use the past tense in reference to the Liberals purposefully.

 

Incidentally I was talking to quite a few economists on Tuesday night and not one of them were confident about the Conservatives in general or this coalition specifically.

 

It's cause the solutions are few and the problems are many.

 

Actually I think their skepticism was more because they were University lecturers and were fearing cuts but anyway.....

[Park Life 71]

It's about time someone produced an opinion poll of Liberal voters on whether they'd still have voted that way if they knew the outcome.

 

Obviously there will be people like Meenzer (I think) who sees this outcome, whether backing the Tories or Labour, as the whole point but I'd like to see how many "I actually voted anti-Tory" views there are (or even anti-Labour).

 

From personal anecdotes I'd think that most are literally horrified at what has happened. After all, they were generally more left wing than New Labour and I know how I would feel about a Lab-Con pact. I use the past tense in reference to the Liberals purposefully.

 

Incidentally I was talking to quite a few economists on Tuesday night and not one of them were confident about the Conservatives in general or this coalition specifically.

 

It's cause the solutions are few and the problems are many.

 

Actually I think their skepticism was more because they were University lecturers and were fearing cuts but anyway.....

 

Cuts!! Cuts!! Cut their fucking heads off!

[Happy Face 29]

It's about time someone produced an opinion poll of Liberal voters on whether they'd still have voted that way if they knew the outcome.

 

Obviously there will be people like Meenzer (I think) who sees this outcome, whether backing the Tories or Labour, as the whole point but I'd like to see how many "I actually voted anti-Tory" views there are (or even anti-Labour).

 

 

Over half (58%) of the public are dismayed that the public vote resulted in a hung parliament, compared to only 22% who don’t mind and nine percent who are delighted. However, this concern is still not a good enough reason to vote differently if we could vote again. When asked whether they would have voted differently had they known a hung parliament would be the result, very few respondents assented. A mere seven percent would have voted differently, while an overwhelming 85% insist they would still have voted for the same party.

 

It seems that some of the disquiet surrounding the hung parliament result is due in part to the power it appeared to hand to Nick Clegg. In heading the party with the third largest share of the seats, the Lib Dem leader was effectively given the choice to side with either the Conservatives or Labour in order to form a majority, which gave him unprecedented clout in determining the election outcome. A sizeable 58% of the public think it was wrong that Clegg had this ability, compared to only 32% who thought this was acceptable.

 

http://today.yougov.co.uk/politics/I-would...ted-differently

[Dr Gloom 21861]

enjoying all the bro-mance in this morning's papers. according to the mail, cameron and clegg exchanged "meaningful glances" at their garden "love-in". the sun meanwhile notes the pair's "desire to work hand-in-glove". "just one corridor" will separate their offices. aw shucks.

 

anyoen notice how the press conferece was set up just like a wedding yesterday?

[Dr Gloom 21861]

It's all a bit too nicey nicey isn't it at the minute? The Lib Dems sem to have pushed through lots of their major policies and the Tories haven't pushed anything on them..I smell a rat.

 

tbf, it looks like the tories have won the argument on the timing of the cuts and trident. annoying as the lib dems policy on nuclear weapons was the main reason i voted for them.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

PM Question Time as well, will Cameron just sit down and Clegg get up next to him.

 

Clegg has to cover PM questions for him when Cameron is absent.

 

The whole affair is utterly preposterous and nauseating.

 

but I thought you were in favour of pr

[Craig 6682]

Most Liberal Democrats I've spoken to are resigned to the fact that the only way they were going to change the electoral system was to get into bed with one of the main parties.

 

General concensus is that neither Tory nor Labour would be more preferential than the other as they both had their plus and minus points.

 

I sense those pro-Labour questioning the decision of Lib Dems to go into coalition with the Tories are seeing it from the view point of it were Labour in that position. Despite what was banded around post-election, Labour are as in favour of 'first past the post' as the Tories are (admittedly they're not as reticent to consider alternatives).

 

One of the Lib Dems core principles is to have a PR electoral system. This in itself promotes the idea of coaltion governments becoming the norm rather than an oddity. With that in mind, to reject the advances of a party offering them just that could be considered akin to shooting themselves in the foot.

[Renton 21404]

PM Question Time as well, will Cameron just sit down and Clegg get up next to him.

 

Clegg has to cover PM questions for him when Cameron is absent.

 

The whole affair is utterly preposterous and nauseating.

 

but I thought you were in favour of pr

 

Lots of different forms, I wouldn't support one which encouraged the parties at the extremes to make a coalition though. It makes no sense, and is fundamentally dishonest.

 

I think the Lib Dems have ensured that we will return to good old two party politics with first past the post to stay (perhaps with AV which will make no difference as the Lib Dems will have massively reduced support). Quite ironic really.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

It was funny during the press conference when a journo told clegg that during the build up to the election, cameron had being asked what his favourite joke was he replied "nick clegg".

 

Clegg started to walk away from the podium saying "right, I'm off", to which Cameron shouted "come back".

[Park Life 71]

PM Question Time as well, will Cameron just sit down and Clegg get up next to him.

 

Clegg has to cover PM questions for him when Cameron is absent.

 

The whole affair is utterly preposterous and nauseating.

 

but I thought you were in favour of pr

 

Lots of different forms, I wouldn't support one which encouraged the parties at the extremes to make a coalition though. It makes no sense, and is fundamentally dishonest.

 

I think the Lib Dems have ensured that we will return to good old two party politics with first past the post to stay (perhaps with AV which will make no difference as the Lib Dems will have massively reduced support). Quite ironic really.

 

Broadly agree, the Lib Dems have a lot to ans for, but I get the feeling Mandy wanted to change up so Lab weren't really that intersted either. Difficult times ahead. I only hope there is a slim chance that our Govt is going to start being honest with people.

[Park Life 71]

It was funny during the press conference when a journo told clegg that during the build up to the election, cameron had being asked what his favourite joke was he replied "nick clegg".

 

Clegg started to walk away from the podium saying "right, I'm off", to which Cameron shouted "come back".

 

Clegg knew about the comment, that bit of pantomime was rehersed as was nearly the whole Press Conferance with pre-identifyied journalist only allowed to ask questions.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Park Life

[Renton 21404]

Most Liberal Democrats I've spoken to are resigned to the fact that the only way they were going to change the electoral system was to get into bed with one of the main parties.

 

General concensus is that neither Tory nor Labour would be more preferential than the other as they both had their plus and minus points.

 

I sense those pro-Labour questioning the decision of Lib Dems to go into coalition with the Tories are seeing it from the view point of it were Labour in that position. Despite what was banded around post-election, Labour are as in favour of 'first past the post' as the Tories are (admittedly they're not as reticent to consider alternatives).

 

One of the Lib Dems core principles is to have a PR electoral system. This in itself promotes the idea of coaltion governments becoming the norm rather than an oddity. With that in mind, to reject the advances of a party offering them just that could be considered akin to shooting themselves in the foot.

 

But Craig, considering Liberal policies were left of Labour can't they see the present coalition just doesn't make sense? Also, you may be coming from a casual voter perspective but I understand that at consituency and local government level the tories and lib dems share a high degree of enmity with each other. It'll all end in tears for them once the honeymoon is over.

[Renton 21404]

It was funny during the press conference when a journo told clegg that during the build up to the election, cameron had being asked what his favourite joke was he replied "nick clegg".

 

Clegg started to walk away from the podium saying "right, I'm off", to which Cameron shouted "come back".

 

Clegg knew about the comment, that bit of pantomime was rehersed as was nearly the whole Press Conferance with pre-identifyied journalist only allowed to ask questions.

 

Aye, it was truely side-splitting stuff.

[NJS 4375]

In heading the party with the third largest share of the seats, the Lib Dem leader was effectively given the choice to side with either the Conservatives or Labour in order to form a majority, which gave him unprecedented clout in determining the election outcome

 

This is still what concerns me - fair enough there was a gap between the two main parties but if say 40 seats hadn't changed and the Libs had got a few less then as I said earlier with reference to Major's time, you could even have the government being decided by the various Nationalists which is even less fair imo.

 

Even if AV is adopted it will still be the Liberals usually choosing the government from two bigger parties.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

Thing I find funny is all the Tory haters hoping yes hoping the country goes to shit just because the Tories are in power.

 

Happy to be made homeless and jobless to prove a point

[Christmas Tree 4711]

It was funny during the press conference when a journo told clegg that during the build up to the election, cameron had being asked what his favourite joke was he replied "nick clegg".

 

Clegg started to walk away from the podium saying "right, I'm off", to which Cameron shouted "come back".

 

Clegg knew about the comment, that bit of pantomime was rehersed as was nearly the whole Press Conferance with pre-identifyied journalist only allowed to ask questions.

 

 

Suppose you've already told the bairn Santas not real

[Renton 21404]

Thing I find funny is all the Tory haters hoping yes hoping the country goes to shit just because the Tories are in power.

 

Happy to be made homeless and jobless to prove a point

 

Ha ha, I would love to see you back that up. It's you that doesn't give a shit about the regional economy or people's jobs. You've really proved yourself to be the most odious poster this board has ever produced, without exception. Well done.

[Happy Face 29]

Thing I find funny is all the Tory haters hoping yes hoping the country goes to shit just because the Tories are in power.

 

Happy to be made homeless and jobless to prove a point

 

I said earlier I wish them the best and i agree some of the bitterness towards the coalition is a bit strong.

 

Not sure about your second sentence like. People expect it more than being happy about it.

[Happy Face 29]

PM: David Cameron

Deputy PM: Nick Clegg

Foreign Sec: William Hague

Chancellor: George Osborne

Business/banking: Vince Cable

Defence: Liam Fox

Health: Andrew Lansley

Energy/Climate: Chris Huhne

Justice Sec: Ken Clarke

Home Sec: Theresa May

Education: Michael Gove

Chief Sec to Treasury: David Laws

Scottish Sec: Danny Alexander

Communities Sec: Eric Pickles

Culture/Olympics: Jeremy Hunt

Work and Pensions: Iain Duncan Smith

Tory chair: Baroness Warsi

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politic...010/8675705.stm

 

83% Oxbridge according to Newsnight.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Happy Face

[sweetleftpeg 0]

Thing I find funny is all the Tory haters hoping yes hoping the country goes to shit just because the Tories are in power.

 

Happy to be made homeless and jobless to prove a point

 

Believe me, I truly want to be proved wrong. No offense, but I think you have to be a litte bit more sympathetic towards a total lack of trust towards the Tories up here after what went on the last time. Especially when our new PM let slip the North East's economy was 'unsustainable' and then didn't bother to come anywhere near here during the whole campaign. Hardly installs confidence does it?

 

I'm not a stubborn twat though, I'm just a cynical bastard who would take a lot of convincing. A hell of a lot of convincing.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

Thing I find funny is all the Tory haters hoping yes hoping the country goes to shit just because the Tories are in power.

 

Happy to be made homeless and jobless to prove a point

 

I said earlier I wish them the best and i agree some of the bitterness towards the coalition is a bit strong.

 

Not sure about your second sentence like. People expect it more than being happy about it.

 

 

Poetic licence

[spongebob toonpants 3958]

Mark Steele

 

But nothing that made the Lib Dems distinctive, such as cancelling Trident or offering an amnesty to asylum seekers, will be even up for discussion. Instead they'll be boasting: "The new Budget is a positive example of coalition rule, in that the Conservatives made the economic decisions, but Vince Cable decided on the font it was published in. There were tough negotiations but the closure of the nation's libraries will now be outlined in Times New Roman, so both sides have made compromises, proving this arrangement does work."

 

But one issue apparently agreed upon by all the main parties is a government had to be found that would satisfy the markets. Because to solve the economic crisis caused by the people who run the markets, we must pick a government that doesn't upset the people who run the markets.

 

A consensus has been created that the deficit must must MUST be cut, as if to oppose cuts in welfare and public spending is as futile as trying to stop the laws of physics. So we'll now have a period of new modern politics, in which a Prime Minister from Eton and a Chancellor from St Paul's in coalition with a chap from Westminster Public School force the bulk of the population to pay for a mess they didn't create, rather than upset the richest one per cent who've enjoyed an unprecedented rise in their wealth. On the other hand the Liberal Democrats have already achieved one of their major aims, which is the introduction of the Single Transferable Voting system.

 

The way it works is fairly simple: you vote Liberal Democrat and you get the bloody Tories.

[Craig 6682]

Most Liberal Democrats I've spoken to are resigned to the fact that the only way they were going to change the electoral system was to get into bed with one of the main parties.

 

General concensus is that neither Tory nor Labour would be more preferential than the other as they both had their plus and minus points.

 

I sense those pro-Labour questioning the decision of Lib Dems to go into coalition with the Tories are seeing it from the view point of it were Labour in that position. Despite what was banded around post-election, Labour are as in favour of 'first past the post' as the Tories are (admittedly they're not as reticent to consider alternatives).

 

One of the Lib Dems core principles is to have a PR electoral system. This in itself promotes the idea of coaltion governments becoming the norm rather than an oddity. With that in mind, to reject the advances of a party offering them just that could be considered akin to shooting themselves in the foot.

 

But Craig, considering Liberal policies were left of Labour can't they see the present coalition just doesn't make sense? Also, you may be coming from a casual voter perspective but I understand that at consituency and local government level the tories and lib dems share a high degree of enmity with each other. It'll all end in tears for them once the honeymoon is over.

 

I hear what you're saying mate and to an extent I agree. I guess what I'm saying is that the Lib Dems wanted a situation where they had the opportunity to exert some level of power and push through some of their policies. If they don't get their way on a particular issue, stamp their feet and say "fuck this, we're off... fucking Tories, etc.." then surely it goes against one of their core values in that they have to work together.

 

The want PR so much - they've surely got to embrace coalition and the idea that they're not going to get their own way all the time?

 

Already both sides have conceeded on serveral issues - I can't speak for others but I for one am surprised at the way it is gone so far.

[spongebob toonpants 3958]

PM: David Cameron

Deputy PM: Nick Clegg

Foreign Sec: William Hague

Chancellor: George Osborne

Business/banking: Vince Cable

Defence: Liam Fox

Health: Andrew Lansley

Energy/Climate: Chris Huhne

Justice Sec: Ken Clarke

Home Sec: Theresa May

Education: Michael Gove

Chief Sec to Treasury: David Laws

Scottish Sec: Danny Alexander

Communities Sec: Eric Pickles

Culture/Olympics: Jeremy Hunt

Work and Pensions: Iain Duncan Smith

Tory chair: Baroness Warsi

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politic...010/8675705.stm

 

83% Oxbridge according to Newsnight.

 

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