General Election 2010

[maggiespaws 0]

Say what you like about Blair but he was a PR wizard and I think the Tories thought Cameron could "easily" be as good and are now finding out its not so easy.

 

Totally agree on both counts. What I find laughable though is that Labour are berating Cameron for being a 'PR wizard'. As you point out, that particular strength helped Blair massively back in '97.

 

 

IMO, that's what won them the election. I remember watching both Blair and Hague in the run up and Hague seemed to have better answers to the difficult questions but he had nothing like the stage presence Blair had. Watching Question time just before the election and Hague handed Blair his arse on a platter but when talking to real people he lacked the charisma and the ability to identify. Who can forget the weak attempt at identifying with the masses with his pint of bitter gaffe for example

Did that all the time at PMQT. I quite like Hague, as it happens.

 

Indeed he did. I liked him too but Blair was the Master of Delivery. I remember watching him doing some conference and he walked the stage in a similar manner to a stand up comedian. Sounds daft when I put it like that, but given that all the other politicians (even now) hide behind their podium, Blair's tactic was very refreshing. Didn't sway me to vote for him but I could appreciate his style.

[Gemmill 46030]

Leazes you are a fucking enormous tit.

Edited April 28, 2010 by Gemmill

[maggiespaws 0]

Baldy solidarity.

 

Alex may have 'd but after he clicked 'add reply' he called you a twat under his breath

[Meenzer 15718]

I hope this doesn't distract the debate tomorrow night from focusing on the key issue, i.e. the bare-faced lie that is "Brown as economic saviour".

[PaddockLad 17654]

Mrs Duffy, a widow, said: "I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet but if that's what he said I'm very upset. I'm very annoyed."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politic...010/8649012.stm

 

She shouldn't be such a bigot then should she.

 

fuckin hell.....I'm no Tory but you are talking left wing looney shite man. Nothing she said is bigoted and having concerns about immigration isn't bigoted either. Get your head out of your arse.

 

the dictionary definition of a bigot is someone with no appreciation of the opinions of others......pretty much all of us then from the PM down

 

whatever. Point is the PM has been, as said in the article, caught out and shown the difference between his private and public face, which is very different it would appear.

 

He's an old CND flag waving idealistic idiotic buffoon

 

And Cameron is an upper class out of touch wanker.

 

so politicians are leading the country on?....hardly big news, but if you want to lap up senationalist bollocks that the media are wanking themselves into a frenzy about then go ahead.

 

and how many elections have you voted in ?

 

What relevance this has is lost on me but I was 18 in 1987 so go figure. And I've voted in every general election since then. Regardless of my personal opinions of politicians in general its important to vote, too many of our forefathers died trying to get it for us or defending it. Todays politicians do little credit to their memory.

 

So you've never had a tricky situation at work and then called the other person a twat once their back has been turned?...thats what hes basically done. Can't see the fuss about it myself but politicians act like fuckin bairns trying to point score off each other trying to get our votes at election time and ignore us the rest of the time. No big deal. Thats what they do.

 

to answer you then. I don't read "sensationalist" newspapers, neither do I read idealistic garbage by polo neck wearing sandal wearing plonkers like in the Guardian.

 

I agree that we should all vote, which I've posted somewhere last week or so.

 

My point is that Brown has been caught out , but it doesn't mean Cameron is any more electable. They are both idiots.

Is it my imagination or did Cameron whine on and on about the need for these leadership debates on tv?....I bet he fuckin regrets that now, he's been so piss poor in them he's letting Clegg and the weirdie beardies in through the back door.

 

I'm sorry, but all he had to do was convince the British public that he would be a lot less worse than Broon and he cant even do that, in the middle of the worst recession since the 30s and when a volcano has grounded every aircraft in Europe whilst the present government did nowt for a week.

 

He's fuckin useless you know.....good luck to everyone if him and his Eton bumchums get in

[Renton 22001]

I hope this doesn't distract the debate tomorrow night from focusing on the key issue, i.e. the bare-faced lie that is "Brown as economic saviour".

 

Well, compared to Cameron he pretty much is actually. What would have happened if Cameron and Osbourne had let the banks collapse?

[maggiespaws 0]

I thought he did a lot better in the 2nd one. For about the first 60% of it Brown and Clegg were both attacking him and ignoring each other - which to me showed who they were most afraid of. Towards the end, Labour seemed to attack Clegg more.

 

Mind you, I'd had a few glasses of wine by then.........

 

EDIT: I was responding to Paddock Lad not Renton

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes you are a fucking enormous tit.

 

are you saying Brown or Cameron would make a good PM ?

 

Only one tit here lad, if you do.

 

Didn't you, an accountant, back the spend spend spending of Souness and said we should back him and let him build his own team, by the way ?

[Meenzer 15718]

I hope this doesn't distract the debate tomorrow night from focusing on the key issue, i.e. the bare-faced lie that is "Brown as economic saviour".

 

Well, compared to Cameron he pretty much is actually. What would have happened if Cameron and Osbourne had let the banks collapse?

 

Sorry, I should have clarified: the line needs to be that it's a bit rich positioning yourself as the great rescuer when you were complicit in creating the problem and exposing the country to the global crisis to a massive extent in the first place.

[LeazesMag 0]

Mrs Duffy, a widow, said: "I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet but if that's what he said I'm very upset. I'm very annoyed."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politic...010/8649012.stm

 

She shouldn't be such a bigot then should she.

 

fuckin hell.....I'm no Tory but you are talking left wing looney shite man. Nothing she said is bigoted and having concerns about immigration isn't bigoted either. Get your head out of your arse.

 

the dictionary definition of a bigot is someone with no appreciation of the opinions of others......pretty much all of us then from the PM down

 

whatever. Point is the PM has been, as said in the article, caught out and shown the difference between his private and public face, which is very different it would appear.

 

He's an old CND flag waving idealistic idiotic buffoon

 

And Cameron is an upper class out of touch wanker.

 

so politicians are leading the country on?....hardly big news, but if you want to lap up senationalist bollocks that the media are wanking themselves into a frenzy about then go ahead.

 

and how many elections have you voted in ?

 

What relevance this has is lost on me but I was 18 in 1987 so go figure. And I've voted in every general election since then. Regardless of my personal opinions of politicians in general its important to vote, too many of our forefathers died trying to get it for us or defending it. Todays politicians do little credit to their memory.

 

So you've never had a tricky situation at work and then called the other person a twat once their back has been turned?...thats what hes basically done. Can't see the fuss about it myself but politicians act like fuckin bairns trying to point score off each other trying to get our votes at election time and ignore us the rest of the time. No big deal. Thats what they do.

 

to answer you then. I don't read "sensationalist" newspapers, neither do I read idealistic garbage by polo neck wearing sandal wearing plonkers like in the Guardian.

 

I agree that we should all vote, which I've posted somewhere last week or so.

 

My point is that Brown has been caught out , but it doesn't mean Cameron is any more electable. They are both idiots.

Is it my imagination or did Cameron whine on and on about the need for these leadership debates on tv?....I bet he fuckin regrets that now, he's been so piss poor in them he's letting Clegg and the weirdie beardies in through the back door.

 

I'm sorry, but all he had to do was convince the British public that he would be a lot less worse than Broon and he cant even do that , in the middle of the worst recession since the 30s and when a volcano has grounded every aircraft in Europe whilst the present government did nowt for a week.

 

He's fuckin useless you know.....good luck to everyone if him and his Eton bumchums get in

 

my point entirely.

[Renton 22001]

Didn't you, an accountant, back the spend spend spending of Souness and said we should back him and let him build his own team, by the way ?

 

[Guest alex]

Didn't Shepherd as well?

Top boss though, tbf.

Edited April 28, 2010 by alex

[Renton 22001]

I hope this doesn't distract the debate tomorrow night from focusing on the key issue, i.e. the bare-faced lie that is "Brown as economic saviour".

 

Well, compared to Cameron he pretty much is actually. What would have happened if Cameron and Osbourne had let the banks collapse?

 

Sorry, I should have clarified: the line needs to be that it's a bit rich positioning yourself as the great rescuer when you were complicit in creating the problem and exposing the country to the global crisis to a massive extent in the first place.

 

True, but what's done is done now, and we are hardly unique in this aspect. I want to back the best man to get us out of the mess, and think Brown is still best qualified to do it.

[Tooj 17]

0.012

 

The average UK voter has 20x more voting power than voters in South Shields.

[Toonpack 9945]

I hope this doesn't distract the debate tomorrow night from focusing on the key issue, i.e. the bare-faced lie that is "Brown as economic saviour".

 

Well, compared to Cameron he pretty much is actually. What would have happened if Cameron and Osbourne had let the banks collapse?

 

Sorry, I should have clarified: the line needs to be that it's a bit rich positioning yourself as the great rescuer when you were complicit in creating the problem and exposing the country to the global crisis to a massive extent in the first place.

 

True, but what's done is done now, and we are hardly unique in this aspect. I want to back the best man to get us out of the mess, and think Brown is still best qualified to do it.

 

 

Brown isn't even honest about his sexuality, how can he trusted about anything else.

[Christmas Tree 4827]

Quite simply.......

 

 

Oh My God :D

 

Have just seen the full episode on the Beeb :D

 

Ok, you get caught out, apologise....If you need too

 

But whatever you do, Leader of this great nation, man with his finger on the big red button.....

 

You do not

 

DO NOT

 

Jump in the jag and pop round to the womans house, spend forty minutes grovelling on all fours and then stand in her front garden telling the worlds media what a prick you are.

 

:D :D

 

It must be party time at Tory HQ and thats before the papers run with it tomorrow...

 

Can you imagine if she goes in her sleep.

 

Funniest thing in politics for years....

[Craig 6700]

In the same position, Cameron would have done exactly the same so go easy on the moral high ground CT...

[Christmas Tree 4827]

In the same position, Cameron would have done exactly the same so go easy on the moral high ground CT...

 

Nothing to do with morals or for that matter party persuasion.

 

Purely political comedy gold.

 

I urge anyone who has only saw bits and bobs to watch the full bulletin from Nasty Nick on the BBC I player.

 

Comedy Gold

[Toonpack 9945]

In the same position, Cameron would have done exactly the same so go easy on the moral high ground CT...

 

 

But that's the point, I would doubt even Nick Griffin would get "In the same position" Brown's a buffoon

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Skybet offering odds on how many times 'bigot' will be said on the debate tomo: 0-2 7/4, 3-5 13/8, 6-8 11/4, 9+ 5/1

 

Murdoch shit-stirring by any chance?

[Craig 6700]

 

And would you believe it, it's not Bridget!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ele...010/8650411.stm

[Meenzer 15718]

 

And would you believe it, it's not Bridget!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ele...010/8650411.stm

 

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

[Park Life 71]

He should have just come out fighting and stood by what he said the dope. Every slip is a chance to spin. This is OLD LABOUR style bungling.

[Guest alex]

He should have just come out fighting and stood by what he said the dope. Every slip is a chance to spin. This is OLD LABOUR style bungling.

She didn't come across as remotely bigotted though so I'm not really sure how he could have stood by his comments.