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[Christmas Tree 4725]

Nice posts Leazes

[Holden McGroin 6582]

fuck me this has to be one of the most depressing threads going. Cheer up gentlemen.

 

 

 

Lose = worst team in the world

Draw = Hughton out

Win = We'll get hammered in PL

 

 

I tend to not even bother reading these threads when we lose. Not much optimism going around..

 

I know the standard response is "I'm not a pessimist im a realist" but I think that that is the case for the most part, I've not been one of the doomsayers of the season, generally back us to win every home game and most away ones too but if people dont see that wholesale changes are needed for us to have a "successful" next season then your optimism is bordering on delusion

 

I think this match has demonstrated better than almost any other I can think of this season that hughton will get found out at PL level he has benefitted from having a superior squad than anyone else this season and yet we're still turning in performances like this, before watford we hadnt won away from home since covenvtry in december which is not the sort of form that leaves you deserving to be on top of the league

 

we cant rely on our home form next season because we will be facing teams that will just beat us anyway and if our away from this season is anything to go off then we'll be lucky anytime we draw away next season

 

I understand what you are saying but he is going to get his shot and lets be honest, 17th place next season will be his target from Ashley. He might be capable of that.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

[Guest alex]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

[LeazesMag 0]

Nice posts Leazes

 

wey, thank you CT

[Dr Gloom 21915]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

 

i would agree that he'll be the favourite for the chop but what else can you do as a supporter but get behind him?

 

i think it's an unplayable situation. what do you do? sack the manager that takes us up or give him a chance and get behind him even though you don't fancy him to do a decent job?

 

given that he will almost certainly still be in charge if we are promoted and ashley still our owner i don't see what we can do other than get behind him.

[Guest alex]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

 

i would agree that he'll be the favourite for the chop but what else can you do as a supporter but get behind him?

 

i think it's an unplayable situation. what do you do? sack the manager that takes us up or give him a chance and get behind him even though you don't fancy him to do a decent job?

 

given that he will almost certainly still be in charge if we are promoted and ashley still our owner i don't see what we can do other than get behind him.

It was tongue-in-cheek tbh.

[LeazesMag 0]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

 

i would agree that he'll be the favourite for the chop but what else can you do as a supporter but get behind him?

 

i think it's an unplayable situation. what do you do? sack the manager that takes us up or give him a chance and get behind him even though you don't fancy him to do a decent job?

 

given that he will almost certainly still be in charge if we are promoted and ashley still our owner i don't see what we can do other than get behind him.

 

you could equally apply that logic to proven trophy winners who had just got you to the FA Cup Final.

 

Lets hope the "timing" of a change is spot on, whatever that means.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

 

i would agree that he'll be the favourite for the chop but what else can you do as a supporter but get behind him?

 

i think it's an unplayable situation. what do you do? sack the manager that takes us up or give him a chance and get behind him even though you don't fancy him to do a decent job?

 

given that he will almost certainly still be in charge if we are promoted and ashley still our owner i don't see what we can do other than get behind him.

 

 

He's the new Martin Oneil and nailed on for Augusts manager of the month.

 

Get your money on that.

[Happy Face 29]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

 

i would agree that he'll be the favourite for the chop but what else can you do as a supporter but get behind him?

 

i think it's an unplayable situation. what do you do? sack the manager that takes us up or give him a chance and get behind him even though you don't fancy him to do a decent job?

 

given that he will almost certainly still be in charge if we are promoted and ashley still our owner i don't see what we can do other than get behind him.

 

you could equally apply that logic to proven trophy winners who had just got you to the FA Cup Final.

 

Lets hope the "timing" of a change is spot on, whatever that means.

 

 

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[Andrew 4748]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

[LeazesMag 0]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

 

football is largely reactionary, you simply can't tell when you will have a bad run of results or something happens that tells you that you need to change.

 

It's the choice of manager that counts, not the timing, but very few are winners in this game, and all the clubs are chasing them.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

 

i would agree that he'll be the favourite for the chop but what else can you do as a supporter but get behind him?

 

i think it's an unplayable situation. what do you do? sack the manager that takes us up or give him a chance and get behind him even though you don't fancy him to do a decent job?

 

given that he will almost certainly still be in charge if we are promoted and ashley still our owner i don't see what we can do other than get behind him.

It was tongue-in-cheek tbh.

 

yeah, i got that.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

hughton will be our manager next season. we may as well back him

I will, as soon as the odds on first manager to get the sack in Premier League are made available.

 

i would agree that he'll be the favourite for the chop but what else can you do as a supporter but get behind him?

 

i think it's an unplayable situation. what do you do? sack the manager that takes us up or give him a chance and get behind him even though you don't fancy him to do a decent job?

 

given that he will almost certainly still be in charge if we are promoted and ashley still our owner i don't see what we can do other than get behind him.

 

you could equally apply that logic to proven trophy winners who had just got you to the FA Cup Final.

 

Lets hope the "timing" of a change is spot on, whatever that means.

 

 

eh?

[Dr Gloom 21915]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

 

football is largely reactionary, you simply can't tell when you will have a bad run of results or something happens that tells you that you need to change.

 

It's the choice of manager that counts, not the timing, but very few are winners in this game, and all the clubs are chasing them.

 

 

what do you think we should do leazes?

 

stick with hughton if takes us up? will he deserve a crack at the top flight?

 

or say thanks but appoint a manager with a better cv because deep down we all expect him to fail?

[LeazesMag 0]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

 

football is largely reactionary, you simply can't tell when you will have a bad run of results or something happens that tells you that you need to change.

 

It's the choice of manager that counts, not the timing, but very few are winners in this game, and all the clubs are chasing them.

 

 

what do you think we should do leazes?

 

stick with hughton if takes us up? will he deserve a crack at the top flight?

 

or say thanks but appoint a manager with a better cv because deep down we all expect him to fail?

 

I would replace him when promotion is secured. As for the replacement, that is the crucial thing, thats my point. If we get someone who ends up not being successful (relatively) then you could say we should have gave Hughton a chance and so the "timing" was wrong.

 

FWIW, of the up and coming managers, I think Owen Coyle has something about him, but you just can't be sure.

[Andrew 4748]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

 

football is largely reactionary, you simply can't tell when you will have a bad run of results or something happens that tells you that you need to change.

 

It's the choice of manager that counts, not the timing, but very few are winners in this game, and all the clubs are chasing them.

 

 

what do you think we should do leazes?

 

stick with hughton if takes us up? will he deserve a crack at the top flight?

 

or say thanks but appoint a manager with a better cv because deep down we all expect him to fail?

 

I would replace him when promotion is secured. As for the replacement, that is the crucial thing, thats my point. If we get someone who ends up not being successful (relatively) then you could say we should have gave Hughton a chance and so the "timing" was wrong.

 

FWIW, of the up and coming managers, I think Owen Coyle has something about him, but you just can't be sure.

 

that would probably lose me quite a few friends

[Renton 21603]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

 

football is largely reactionary, you simply can't tell when you will have a bad run of results or something happens that tells you that you need to change.

 

It's the choice of manager that counts, not the timing, but very few are winners in this game, and all the clubs are chasing them.

 

 

what do you think we should do leazes?

 

stick with hughton if takes us up? will he deserve a crack at the top flight?

 

or say thanks but appoint a manager with a better cv because deep down we all expect him to fail?

 

I would replace him when promotion is secured. As for the replacement, that is the crucial thing, thats my point. If we get someone who ends up not being successful (relatively) then you could say we should have gave Hughton a chance and so the "timing" was wrong.

 

FWIW, of the up and coming managers, I think Owen Coyle has something about him, but you just can't be sure.

 

Fair enough imo.

 

But, I think with the transfer windows that 'timing' is more important than you suggest Leazes. A brave man would say to Hughton 'Thank you very much' when he promotes us, than he would replace him. I understand though how problematic this is in practice.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

 

football is largely reactionary, you simply can't tell when you will have a bad run of results or something happens that tells you that you need to change.

 

It's the choice of manager that counts, not the timing, but very few are winners in this game, and all the clubs are chasing them.

 

 

And that Dear Leazes is the problem.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

I'd argue timing is crucial. For example, if hughton is to be replaced let's hope the board don't follow in shepherds footsteps by backing him with transfer funds then sacking him after the window shuts leaving the new manager a 3 month wait and half the season before he can rebuild.

[LeazesMag 0]

for the timing to be right we're talking june

 

if its mid season then it needs to be late november early dec so that there is time to evaluate the squad and get transfer targets lined up

 

football is largely reactionary, you simply can't tell when you will have a bad run of results or something happens that tells you that you need to change.

 

It's the choice of manager that counts, not the timing, but very few are winners in this game, and all the clubs are chasing them.

 

 

And that Dear Leazes is the problem.

 

indeed, which is why I have ALWAYS defended those who had the ambition and gave it their best crack and a lot of good times on the way.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'd argue timing is crucial. For example, if hughton is to be replaced let's hope the board don't follow in shepherds footsteps by backing him with transfer funds then sacking him after the window shuts leaving the new manager a 3 month wait and half the season before he can rebuild.

 

but it isn't necessarily the case. You can replace the manager in May or June, give him the whole summer and he could still fuck up. So where does the timing count then ? It is the manager that knows what he is doing is what matters, there is no bad time to appoint the manager who does the good job and buys and sells well for you.

[Kitman 2204]

There's no way Ashley will replace Hughton until things become desperate.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

I'd argue timing is crucial. For example, if hughton is to be replaced let's hope the board don't follow in shepherds footsteps by backing him with transfer funds then sacking him after the window shuts leaving the new manager a 3 month wait and half the season before he can rebuild.

 

but it isn't necessarily the case. You can replace the manager in May or June, give him the whole summer and he could still fuck up. So where does the timing count then ? It is the manager that knows what he is doing is what matters, there is no bad time to appoint the manager who does the good job and buys and sells well for you.

 

i think it's nuts to back a manager then sack him september. if you give him funds, you've got to give the team a few months to see if the new players can gell.

 

when was sir bobby sacked again? wasn't it a day after the window shut or something? if i remember correctly, souness was walked shortly after the closure of a transfer window where he'd just spent a fortune. that's just daft.

 

ashley has a bold decision to make. either sack hughton (or ask him to return to being someone's number two) so he can bring in a new coach. if he does this it has to be - like you said - as soon as promotion is secured so we can build a squad over summer and get them playing together before the new season. the downside to this is we end up looking like the sterotypical impatient, poorly run, thick geordies that the likes of sky delight in portraying us as. who sacks a manager that has just won promotion?

 

or, he backs and sticks with hughton. again, if as we all suspect this is what happens, he should give the manager and the team a chance and not panic and sack the manager just after the window shuts, especially if he's backed him to the tune of a few million quid.

Edited March 15, 2010 by Dr Gloom

[Barney 0]

There's no way Houghton is going anywhere. The chairman and owner love him, the players love him and he'll probably win manager of the year.