The People 1 Swine Flu hysteria 0

[Park Life 71]

Under 10% uptake in most of Europe..Only 6% in Germany and 5% in France.

 

...and they really tried with this one.

Edited March 11, 2010 by Park Life

[Tom 14021]

And what of the people that died?

[Guest alex]

And what of the people that died?

Lost on pens in the previous round.

[Renton 22445]

Under 10% uptake in most of Europe..Only 6% in Germany and 5% in France.

 

...and they really tried with this one.

 

Uptake of swine flu?

[Park Life 71]

And what of the people that died?

Lost on pens in the previous round.

 

[Park Life 71]

Under 10% uptake in most of Europe..Only 6% in Germany and 5% in France.

 

...and they really tried with this one.

 

Uptake of swine flu?

 

Uptake of the vaccine.

 

Even with Murdochs son on the board of GSk and the massive hype that followed...WE the people resisted.

[Guest alex]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

[Renton 22445]

Under 10% uptake in most of Europe..Only 6% in Germany and 5% in France.

 

...and they really tried with this one.

 

Uptake of swine flu?

 

Uptake of the vaccine.

 

Even with Murdochs son on the board of GSk and the massive hype that followed...WE the people resisted.

 

If the outbreak had been severe, and the vaccine had saved many lives, would you have posted this?

[Park Life 71]

Under 10% uptake in most of Europe..Only 6% in Germany and 5% in France.

 

...and they really tried with this one.

 

Uptake of swine flu?

 

Uptake of the vaccine.

 

Even with Murdochs son on the board of GSk and the massive hype that followed...WE the people resisted.

 

If the outbreak had been severe, and the vaccine had saved many lives, would you have posted this?

 

The potential of 0 is 0 dear Renty.

 

Anyway, we can only wait for the next scare such is our lot.

[Park Life 71]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

They knew that all along though didn't they. The hype was all about big Pharma shifting a lot of expensive nonsense onto clueless hysteria driven Governments.

 

The French Govt are holding an enquiry btw on what actually happenned and how it was coerced very fast into some very dodgy descisions.

 

Polands health minishter refused to buy the vaccine point blank and must be applauded for saving them money and their people a lot of aggro and fear.

[Renton 22445]

Under 10% uptake in most of Europe..Only 6% in Germany and 5% in France.

 

...and they really tried with this one.

 

Uptake of swine flu?

 

Uptake of the vaccine.

 

Even with Murdochs son on the board of GSk and the massive hype that followed...WE the people resisted.

 

If the outbreak had been severe, and the vaccine had saved many lives, would you have posted this?

 

The potential of 0 is 0 dear Renty.

 

Anyway, we can only wait for the next scare such is our lot.

 

*Sigh* It's a lose-lose situation for the government and the HPA etc for people with your views.

 

Btw, GSK made a fortune out of the vaccine anyway, even though they weren't needed in the end.

[Guest alex]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

They knew that all along though didn't they. The hype was all about big Pharma shifting a lot of expensive nonsense onto clueless hysteria driven Governments.

 

The French Govt are holding an enquiry btw on what actually happenned and how it was coerced very fast into some very dodgy descisions.

 

Polands health minishter refused to buy the vaccine point blank and must be applauded for saving them money and their people a lot of aggro and fear.

I'm not sure what was more predictable, you saying this was one big conspiracy or Renton biting

[Renton 22445]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

They knew that all along though didn't they. The hype was all about big Pharma shifting a lot of expensive nonsense onto clueless hysteria driven Governments.

 

The French Govt are holding an enquiry btw on what actually happenned and how it was coerced very fast into some very dodgy descisions.

 

Polands health minishter refused to buy the vaccine point blank and must be applauded for saving them money and their people a lot of aggro and fear.

 

These things really aren't predictable Parky. You're blaming our government for being prepared. An unbelievable attitude really.

 

Poland simply took a gamble we could afford not to.

[Park Life 71]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

They knew that all along though didn't they. The hype was all about big Pharma shifting a lot of expensive nonsense onto clueless hysteria driven Governments.

 

The French Govt are holding an enquiry btw on what actually happenned and how it was coerced very fast into some very dodgy descisions.

 

Polands health minishter refused to buy the vaccine point blank and must be applauded for saving them money and their people a lot of aggro and fear.

I'm not sure what was more predictable, you saying this was one big conspiracy or Renton biting

 

 

Anyway power to the people!!

 

Even with all the corporate owned media spreading fear every fucking day for months they resisted.

[Renton 22445]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

They knew that all along though didn't they. The hype was all about big Pharma shifting a lot of expensive nonsense onto clueless hysteria driven Governments.

 

The French Govt are holding an enquiry btw on what actually happenned and how it was coerced very fast into some very dodgy descisions.

 

Polands health minishter refused to buy the vaccine point blank and must be applauded for saving them money and their people a lot of aggro and fear.

I'm not sure what was more predictable, you saying this was one big conspiracy or Renton biting

 

 

I'm not so arsed about the swine flu stuff, it's more denial that childhood immunizations are necessary or stuff like HIV doesn't cause AIDs that rattles me. Wilfull ignorance.

[Guest alex]

It soon died a death, so to speak, though. The media shitstorm that is. Turned out to be fuck all so they moved onto something else. I sort of agree with both sides though in that the government couldn't win, and there was a risk but it was certainly in the interests of big business (and the rags) to overplay it all.

[Happy Face 29]

Been listening to the Freakonomics podcasts today. All about proprtionate levels of anxiety.

 

It's been almost 10 years since anyone died from terrorism in the US, but every single year since then deaths have resulted from playing American Football. Since gridiron began, only in 1990 were there no fatalities.....but the profits come from making terrorism a national obsession and from enjoying recreational sports.

 

I know it's nowt to do with flu, but i didn't want to start a thread for that small snippet.

Edited March 11, 2010 by Happy Face

[Park Life 71]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

They knew that all along though didn't they. The hype was all about big Pharma shifting a lot of expensive nonsense onto clueless hysteria driven Governments.

 

The French Govt are holding an enquiry btw on what actually happenned and how it was coerced very fast into some very dodgy descisions.

 

Polands health minishter refused to buy the vaccine point blank and must be applauded for saving them money and their people a lot of aggro and fear.

 

These things really aren't predictable Parky. You're blaming our government for being prepared. An unbelievable attitude really.

 

Poland simply took a gamble we could afford not to.

 

I don't really think Govt's really know what they are doing with these things.

 

Btw it still carries a PANDEMIC LEVEL 6 AT THE WHO. So who knows.

 

You of all people should know that the effectiveness of FLU VACCINES is very low around 12 -20%....

 

Even Chez admits that Tamiflu is next to useless.

[Park Life 71]

It soon died a death, so to speak, though. The media shitstorm that is. Turned out to be fuck all so they moved onto something else. I sort of agree with both sides though in that the government couldn't win, and there was a risk but it was certainly in the interests of big business (and the rags) to overplay it all.

 

That's kind of where I am but I also carry a fucking big gun just incase. ;)

[Guest alex]

Been listening to the Freakonomics podcasts today. All about proprtionate levels of anxiety.

 

It's been almost 10 years since anyone died from terrorism in the US, but every single year since then deaths have resulted from playing American Football. Since gridiron began, only in 1990 were there no fatalities.....but the profits come from making terrorism a nattional obsession and from enjoying recreational sports.

 

I know it's nowt to do with flu, but i didn't want to start a thread for that small snippet.

It's not about public safety imo. It's about keeping people's minds off stuff. If the government was really concerned about saving lives there'd be draconian laws regarding road safety (for example) rather than so-called anti-terror legislation stopping people photographing Big Ben on a pleasant evening.

[Park Life 71]

Been listening to the Freakonomics podcasts today. All about proprtionate levels of anxiety.

 

It's been almost 10 years since anyone died from terrorism in the US, but every single year since then deaths have resulted from playing American Football. Since gridiron began, only in 1990 were there no fatalities.....but the profits come from making terrorism a national obsession and from enjoying recreational sports.

 

I know it's nowt to do with flu, but i didn't want to start a thread for that small snippet.

 

It is in the intersted of big business and big Govt in general to keep us pumped up with anxiety of various levels imo.

 

It leads to buying as well to seek comfort probably.....

[Park Life 71]

They need to get their act together. If you really want to scare people dog and cat flu ftw....Nation of pet owners and all that.

[Renton 22445]

Because the virus turned out to be a mild one in the end. Anyway, like George Benson said, hindsight is 20/20 vision.

 

They knew that all along though didn't they. The hype was all about big Pharma shifting a lot of expensive nonsense onto clueless hysteria driven Governments.

 

The French Govt are holding an enquiry btw on what actually happenned and how it was coerced very fast into some very dodgy descisions.

 

Polands health minishter refused to buy the vaccine point blank and must be applauded for saving them money and their people a lot of aggro and fear.

 

These things really aren't predictable Parky. You're blaming our government for being prepared. An unbelievable attitude really.

 

Poland simply took a gamble we could afford not to.

 

I don't really think Govt's really know what they are doing with these things.

 

Btw it still carries a PANDEMIC LEVEL 6 AT THE WHO. So who knows.

 

You of all people should know that the effectiveness of FLU VACCINES is very low around 12 -20%....

 

Even Chez admits that Tamiflu is next to useless.

 

OKay, you'll have to provide some evidence to back up your claim that 'flu jabs are that ineffective Parky, I think you're wrong.

 

Tamiflu of course is not a vaccine. Many antiviral drugs aren't especially effective, the hope is they can prevent the worst of symptoms in people with comorbidities and perhaps save a few lives in the process. I'm not aware if its efficacy in this outbreak is known - unfortunately the large majority of people who received it didn't actually have H1N1. In hindsight it was a waste of money, I'd agree.

 

Edit: just checked Parky and you're not massively wrong about 'flu vaccines, but again the reasons they can be ineffective is that its hard to predict the right strain that will become prevalent in a winter. They are a significant life saver in the elderly and in people with comorbities though (the groups they're aimed at).

Edited March 11, 2010 by Renton

[Happy Face 29]

The other one I liked was that every year as many Americans die from being underweight as die from being obese.

 

You always hear about the fatties killing themselves, but get only occasional anecdotal stuff about the skinnies. Makes sense when when the diet industry is worth $100billion a year.

[Renton 22445]

The other one I liked was that every year as many Americans die from being underweight as die from being obese.

 

You always hear about the fatties killing themselves, but get only occasional anecdotal stuff about the skinnies. Makes sense when when the diet industry is worth $100billion a year.

 

Sounds a bit dubious!

 

How much is the food industry worth!