Llambias - Fans that criticise are "not reasonable"

[snakehips 0]

I assume CT that your new found respect for our regime will mean we'll see you and your family on Saturday?

 

 

That's very generous pud. What's mrs pud cooking and what's your address?

NE1 4ST

Pie & Chips ( very reasonable)

 

As opposed to 'not reasonable' ?

[Monkeys Fist 43075]

I assume CT that your new found respect for our regime will mean we'll see you and your family on Saturday?

 

 

That's very generous pud. What's mrs pud cooking and what's your address?

NE1 4ST

Pie & Chips ( very reasonable)

 

As opposed to 'not reasonable' ?

[Monkeys Fist 43075]

I assume CT that your new found respect for our regime will mean we'll see you and your family on Saturday?

 

 

That's very generous pud. What's mrs pud cooking and what's your address?

NE1 4ST

Pie & Chips ( very reasonable)

 

With or without gravy?

Like many things emanating from this postcode,hard to swallow- gravy or not

[manc-mag 1]

The scatological humour favoured by director Steve Kelly ('City Rats') and writer-star Warren Llambias means that much of the film is taken up by shots of people on toilets and references to such hot-button topics as 'Strictly Come Dancing' and football firm The ICF. Each character is based on a broad stereotype, so there's The Fat One, The Black One, The Old One, The Violent One, The Quiet One, The Woman and The Sexed-Up OAP Couple.

 

 

Abslutely no narrower a study required.

[OTF 7492]

There's no denying that a fairly decent job has been done since we've been relegated. Most of the players sold were at or past their use by date (Milner and Bassong perhaps the exceptions to the rule, though we were compensated handsomely for them both). Hughton has done a solid job of steadying the ship and keeping the players on task, focused on promotion. In the transfer window players were bought that changed the squad, or added much needed depth or covered for injuries (jury is still out on Best). With all that said we started the season with an unfathomable advantage over most other clubs in this league. Our assault on the championship was from such a position of power, so much so that were we to fail in being promoted it would have been yet another huge fuck up. We will be promoted though, and a solid foundation will have been laid. We'll be going up with a squad that would have been the envy of probably all sides to be promoted in the relatively brief history of the premier league. With some smart investment in our playing squad we'd be in a great position to ensure survival. Will we see it? It's anyone's guess. So far as I can tell Ashley will only buy players who are young (so he can onsell them like a share), he'll also only buy players who are available on the cheap. That's a relatively small pool to be choosing from, and doesn't give me much confidence that we'll fill the deficiencies that will become apparent when we're playing a much higher calibre of opponent.

 

Apologies for any mistakes in that... Posting such a long message from a phone sucks.

[Monkeys Fist 43075]

There's no denying that a fairly decent job has been done since we've been relegated. Most of the players sold were at or past their use by date (Milner and Bassong perhaps the exceptions to the rule, though we were compensated handsomely for them both). Hughton has done a solid job of steadying the ship and keeping the players on task, focused on promotion. In the transfer window players were bought that changed the squad, or added much needed depth or covered for injuries (jury is still out on Best). With all that said we started the season with an unfathomable advantage over most other clubs in this league. Our assault on the championship was from such a position of power, so much so that were we to fail in being promoted it would have been yet another huge fuck up. We will be promoted though, and a solid foundation will have been laid. We'll be going up with a squad that would have been the envy of probably all sides to be promoted in the relatively brief history of the premier league. With some smart investment in our playing squad we'd be in a great position to ensure survival. Will we see it? It's anyone's guess. So far as I can tell Ashley will only buy players who are young (so he can onsell them like a share), he'll also only buy players who are available on the cheap. That's a relatively small pool to be choosing from, and doesn't give me much confidence that we'll fill the deficiencies that will become apparent when we're playing a much higher calibre of opponent.

 

Apologies for any mistakes in that... Posting such a long message from a phone sucks.

and there's the problem.

[OTF 7492]

and there's the problem.

 

Yep. The short version of my post is - they've done a decent job of doing a pretty easy task and will probably not do a very good job of what will be a much much harder task.

[manc-mag 1]

and there's the problem.

 

Yep. The short version of my post is - they've done a decent job of doing a pretty easy task and will probably not do a very good job of what will be a much much harder task.

 

Or: he's protected his investment while exhaustively examinining all options for disposal.

 

Or is that an unreasonable observation?

 

Fuck off Dekka.

[Christmas Tree 4831]

We will have to wait and see, but I really doubt we are going to see many clubs other than the top four chucking money about.

[Guest alex]

The scatological humour favoured by director Steve Kelly ('City Rats') and writer-star Warren Llambias means that much of the film is taken up by shots of people on toilets and references to such hot-button topics as 'Strictly Come Dancing' and football firm The ICF. Each character is based on a broad stereotype, so there's The Fat One, The Black One, The Old One, The Violent One, The Quiet One, The Woman and The Sexed-Up OAP Couple.

 

 

Abslutely no narrower a study required.

[OTF 7492]

Or: he's protected his investment while exhaustively examinining all options for disposal.

 

Or is that an unreasonable observation?

 

No doubt, but he's now realised that noone is interested in buying football clubs at the moment. They're money sinks as a result of spendthrift 'rich' clubs throwing far too much money around at players, consequently forcing the price of players up beyond the amount that can be recompensed with regular footballing income. The recent drastic increases in Television money has only served to further blow out player wages and transfer fees. I think in the next 5 years we'll see wages and transfers settle down quite a bit, and consequently clubs like Newcastle (big gates, merchadise sale etc) will be able to run at a profit. When this happens buyers that are more than fantasy may emerge.

[Christmas Tree 4831]

Or: he's protected his investment while exhaustively examinining all options for disposal.

 

Or is that an unreasonable observation?

 

No doubt, but he's now realised that noone is interested in buying football clubs at the moment. They're money sinks as a result of spendthrift 'rich' clubs throwing far too much money around at players, consequently forcing the price of players up beyond the amount that can be recompensed with regular footballing income. The recent drastic increases in Television money has only served to further blow out player wages and transfer fees. I think in the next 5 years we'll see wages and transfers settle down quite a bit, and consequently clubs like Newcastle (big gates, merchadise sale etc) will be able to run at a profit. When this happens buyers that are more than fantasy may emerge.

 

 

You talk a lot of sense.

[Guest alex]

Or: he's protected his investment while exhaustively examinining all options for disposal.

 

Or is that an unreasonable observation?

 

No doubt, but he's now realised that noone is interested in buying football clubs at the moment. They're money sinks as a result of spendthrift 'rich' clubs throwing far too much money around at players, consequently forcing the price of players up beyond the amount that can be recompensed with regular footballing income. The recent drastic increases in Television money has only served to further blow out player wages and transfer fees. I think in the next 5 years we'll see wages and transfers settle down quite a bit, and consequently clubs like Newcastle (big gates, merchadise sale etc) will be able to run at a profit. When this happens buyers that are more than fantasy may emerge.

That's a rather positive way of looking at it and it does make some sense although when you look at the past, I'd suggest the clubs will go back to spending a lot as soon as the economy perks up because clubs chase success and the clubs spending the most inevitably are the ones that gain it. Also, Ashley has (seemingly if you look past the obvious lies) always wanted more for the club than it's worth (because he spent too much on the purchase essentially). I also find it depressing that we're (even in your optimistic scenario) still going to have to wait for a buyer to come along before things eventually look up in any meaningful way. Because, let's be honest, the current set-up of Llambias and Hughton (and whoever is desperate enough to manage us once the latter gets the bullet) isn't exactly a blue print for a good football club in the meantime.

Edited March 4, 2010 by alex

[Happy Face 29]

Or: he's protected his investment while exhaustively examinining all options for disposal.

 

Or is that an unreasonable observation?

 

No doubt, but he's now realised that noone is interested in buying football clubs at the moment. They're money sinks as a result of spendthrift 'rich' clubs throwing far too much money around at players, consequently forcing the price of players up beyond the amount that can be recompensed with regular footballing income. The recent drastic increases in Television money has only served to further blow out player wages and transfer fees. I think in the next 5 years we'll see wages and transfers settle down quite a bit, and consequently clubs like Newcastle (big gates, merchadise sale etc) will be able to run at a profit. When this happens buyers that are more than fantasy may emerge.

 

Do you think Ashley would sell a club making a profit for less than he's put in?

 

He claims he was willing to sell for £80m before the season started. He claims to have put in a further £50m since then.

 

Will he now be loooking for £130m on his £300m investment? Would anyone pay that for a club that required £50m of loans in it's previous season?

[Christmas Tree 4831]

Is a scenario not possible where the money moves to another league?

 

Might Italy or Spain not rise again?

 

I know people talk about it being great having Europes best here, but I just can't see how this bubble can continue for very much longer.

 

It is obvious from the interview that HF posted that our buying criteria is pretty set with regard to types of players, wage demands and agents cuts.

 

Surely more clubs will be taking this approach which will bring down wages and fees.

 

I appreciate the top 6 will still be gung ho, but that's about it.

[Happy Face 29]

Is a scenario not possible where the money moves to another league?

 

The US.

 

World champs by 2018

[khay 10]

Is a scenario not possible where the money moves to another league?

 

The US.

 

World champs by 2018

 

 

Feck having to watch games in the early hours!

[Guest alex]

Aren't the winners of any American leagues awarded world champion status anyway?

[peasepud 59]

I assume CT that your new found respect for our regime will mean we'll see you and your family on Saturday?

 

 

That's very generous pud. What's mrs pud cooking and what's your address?

 

 

Serious question though, at the start of the season you stated that you would not pay another penny to Ashley and would not attend another game while hes here. Now that you've changed tack and are praising the bloke then i assume you'll be handing over your hard earned spondoolik and chanting his name?

 

I would argue that its not Ashley thats kept us afloat this season but the 40k+ that attend week in week out, without our cash then the fat man would have had to stick his hand in his pocket to cover even more losses, without our support then the team may not have done so well in the league. Or to put it another way, without those very unreasonable fans paying him their cash to voice their oppinion then the shady casino bloke would be out of a job.

 

Finally CT, you actually slagged off the NUST because we wouldnt protest, do you now agree that the decision was a right one for the future of the football club?

[Kitman 2207]

Is a scenario not possible where the money moves to another league?

 

Might Italy or Spain not rise again?

 

I know people talk about it being great having Europes best here, but I just can't see how this bubble can continue for very much longer.

 

It is obvious from the interview that HF posted that our buying criteria is pretty set with regard to types of players, wage demands and agents cuts.

 

Surely more clubs will be taking this approach which will bring down wages and fees.

 

I appreciate the top 6 will still be gung ho, but that's about it.

 

Ashley should be hailed as a visionary, putting the club on a sound financial footing ahead of the bubble bursting and many PL clubs going into administration. That's what comical Dekka would have us believe anyway......

 

I don't see anything wrong with us reining in overspending on useless imports as it happens. Having a pool of committed "homegrown" players with one or two skilful foreign fancy dans seems to me a good way forward. My issue has always been that the club is pretty hopeless growing its own players, one or two excepted. You get the impression if we bring a good player through, it's by accident rather than design and our scouting/youth policy traditionally has been pretty non existent in the past. I'm yet to see any evidence of a new Arsenal rising from the North East like a footballing Tyrannosaurus Rex.....

[Christmas Tree 4831]

I thought the youth set us was doing canny under the new guy????

 

Don't we have some very good prospects below the first team squad.

 

Ofcourse time will prove wether we hang onto them or they get snaffled by the "bigger teams". ( ouch).

[Christmas Tree 4831]

Pud,

 

Don't think I've praised Ashley and no I won't be buying another season ticket until we are sold or I am convinced ( rather than hope) we are really going in the right direction. Promotion, investment etc.

 

Your second paragraph is a bit schoolboy rant however this season on the whole they've shut up and backed the manager. All sources from within the club describe the atmosphere within the camp as very good.

 

It could have been alot worse on and off the pitch.

 

With regard to Nust, nust itself has changed how it's acted. Maybe if they had taken more action when members were calling for it, they would have achieved more. I think quite a few predicted it would lose support which seems the case.

 

The bottom line is that some, while angered and pissed off at past events have decided to draw a line and move on. I hope for a future that involves a swift sale to the right person (not just any person) or an Ashley who wants to put right his errors either to prove a point or to safeguard his investment.

 

Some just want to keep on fighting a lost cause and that's fine for them.

 

It's simplistic but it's a Paisley / Trimble scenario.

 

I think the silent majority share my view :-)

[Monkeys Fist 43075]

Pud,

 

Don't think I've praised Ashley and no I won't be buying another season ticket until we are sold or I am convinced ( rather than hope) we are really going in the right direction. Promotion, investment etc.

 

Your second paragraph is a bit schoolboy rant however this season on the whole they've shut up and backed the manager. All sources from within the club describe the atmosphere within the camp as very good.

 

It could have been alot worse on and off the pitch.

 

With regard to Nust, nust itself has changed how it's acted. Maybe if they had taken more action when members were calling for it, they would have achieved more. I think quite a few predicted it would lose support which seems the case.

 

The bottom line is that some, while angered and pissed off at past events have decided to draw a line and move on. I hope for a future that involves a swift sale to the right person (not just any person) or an Ashley who wants to put right his errors either to prove a point or to safeguard his investment.

 

Some just want to keep on fighting a lost cause and that's fine for them.

 

It's simplistic but it's a Paisley / Trimble scenario.

 

I think the silent majority share my view :-)

can you back this up , or is it just guess work?

[Christmas Tree 4831]

Can I fuck. But I'm sure I'm right.

 

Btw, do you ever sleep!

[Monkeys Fist 43075]

Can I fuck. But I'm sure I'm right.

 

Btw, do you ever sleep!