Jose

[The Fish 10970]

I hardly think that one isolated "Jonas is all right" plus a couple of grudging agreements deserve a "When will you lot ever give it a fucking rest with Jonas!!!!!"

 

do you?

 

a simple fair enough will suffice like,

 

Like I said, I think everybody sees Jonas for what he is, the best of a bad bunch.

[Christmas Tree 4831]

Grudging?????

 

Anyway what is your opinion. Is jonas good enough for the prem?

[The Fish 10970]

I think that's a loaded question.

 

Honestly, I think to get the best out of a player like Jonas you need a good string puller in midfield, someone that will not only get the most out of his runs, but also be savvy enough to know where to be to receive the ball from him when his cul de sac appears.

 

I think Jonas will be useful for us in the premiership because I think he takes a lot fo the pressure off the defence with his running and his ability to draw fouls and win throw-ins and corners.

 

I think there are better left wingers who do a traditional left winger's job. I think they'll most likely be out of our price range if they're any good, or, if they're in our price range they'll be a gamble

 

In short, yes I think he'll do a job for us in the premiership.

[donaldstott 0]

I think that's a loaded question.

 

Honestly, I think to get the best out of a player like Jonas you need a good string puller in midfield, someone that will not only get the most out of his runs, but also be savvy enough to know where to be to receive the ball from him when his cul de sac appears.

 

I think Jonas will be useful for us in the premiership because I think he takes a lot fo the pressure off the defence with his running and his ability to draw fouls and win throw-ins and corners.

 

I think there are better left wingers who do a traditional left winger's job. I think they'll most likely be out of our price range if they're any good, or, if they're in our price range they'll be a gamble

 

In short, yes I think he'll do a job for us in the premiership.

 

Vital. What with Guthrie's delivery and Carroll and Ameobi up front we could be a force to be reckoned with.

Do you think Stoke would sell Delap?

[LeazesMag 0]

Until CT brought him up I don't think many people were casting much praise Jonas' way to be honest. Sounds like someone has a grudge

 

Inspector Fish, you deserve a promotion.

 

CT is a tiresome fellow on many levels and his Jonas obsession is almost as bad as Gemmill's Martins one. Jonas is not what he was hyped to be, but he contributes a lot to our team that the rest of our squad simply are not capable of doing. I remember several games where he had an absolute field day against the opposing right back - . Would I like to have someone better? Yes. Would I prefer to still have Milner? Yes. But considering the state we're in, he's one of the better players in the side.

 

Why didn't Mike buy us a better winger if Jonas is so shite? By the same token, why did he buy him in the first place if he's so shite? Oh, I know, because he was supposedly going to be on a free so Ashley could replace Milner and still make a profit (all for the good of NUFC and nothing to do with filling his own pockets of course.) Too bad that didn't work out either and we ended up paying for him as well, all thanks to the expert scouting staff employed by Ashley.

 

This is the problem though, people like you trot out this crap as highlighted above when the truth is more what I describe. What we have needed for some time is another Routledge on the left.

 

Jonas huffs and puffs but fuck all comes from it. Doesnt matter if he has a field day if the ball doesnt end up in the back of the net.

 

Personally I would have like to see Lua Lua brought into the team and given a run but can only imagine at some point he has bee caught in the showers with Mrs Hughton.

 

 

Routledge isn't good enough to tie Zoggy's laces. Ashley made a profit on him as well.

[Guest alex]

Not sure about Routledge but the only way another player like him on the left would work effectively (even in this division, let alone the Prem) is with two vastly superior (to what we currently) box-to-box central midfielders who can boss a game. As it is, Routledge is a bit of a spectator at times because we don't have the players to get him on the ball enough. As for N'Zogbia, I like him but think he's a bit overrated. On balance I think he gives you a bit more than Jonas though. Certainly in terms of end product. His attititude stinks though and he's an average Premier League player imo (admittedly that makes him better than most of the current side).

[donaldstott 0]

Zog is the poster boy for the badly advised footballer.

[LeazesMag 0]

Zog is the poster boy for the badly advised footballer.

 

Indeed. I've discussed him with Alex before, I think he is far too good for Wigan, I think he is athleticism and his touch make him better than that, he would show better in a better team with similar talented players around him I realise his attitude has been suspect ie like Anelka for instance [both french ] and I have always said how important desire is in football, but the ability is there and a taste of success and playing in winning teams does wonders for your appetite for more.

Edited March 4, 2010 by LeazesMag

[Guest alex]

Zog is the poster boy for the badly advised footballer.

 

Indeed. I've discussed him with Alex before, I think he is far too good for Wigan, I think he is athleticism and his touch make him better than that, he would show better in a better team with similar talented players around him I realise his attitude has been suspect ie like Anelka for instance [both french ] and I have always said how important desire is in football, but the ability is there and a taste of success and playing in winning teams does wonders for your appetite for more.

Wouldn't really argue with that. I think he's wasted his potential a bit so far.

[Christmas Tree 4831]

I really thought Zog was going to be something special.

 

Truth is he's not and never will be.

 

It's just a fact of life that any player that seems a bit pacy and different gets stuck on a pedestal by us and we ignore or forgive the other overwhelming inadaquecies???.

 

Think we keep Hoping too much for the next gazza or Beardsley.

[Guest alex]

I think he has the tools to be a good left-winger tbh. Loads more than just pace to his game. He has a good (if inconsistent cross), he's strong, he (used to) graft, has a good shot and has a few tricks. Also, I don't recall anyone ever hailing him as a superstar.

[The Fish 10970]

I think he has the tools to be a good left-winger tbh. Loads more than just pace to his game. He has a good (if inconsistent cross), he's strong, he (used to) graft, has a good shot and has a few tricks. Also, I don't recall anyone ever hailing him as a superstar.

I think he needs the right kind of manager to get the best out of him, but I think the type of manager that could, will probably be managing a team that's a little too good for him.

 

Hughton, for example, wouldn't get him to produce on the pitch as I don't think he's got the authority.

[acrossthepond 878]

The Zog definitely had the skills to make it but he suffered from poor management here. SBR signed him and would've made him a star. He even did ok under Souness, but after that he got dropped and never really had a prolonged run in the first team (in his preferred position) again, and the less said about his interactions with Kinnear the better. Of course being a sulky bastard didn't help, but I can admit that sitting on the bench or alternatively at LB and watching the lukewarm performances of Duff could've hurt his morale.

 

He could shoot too - one of the sad few in our squads of the last 5-6 years who was properly willing to have a go. With him last season we probably would've stayed up. If you remember the goal he scored away against Boro (now I misremember it myself - was it last season or the season before?) there was the evidence of a player who really could change the game (an ability most of us misattributed to Martins because of 'that goal' against Spurs). I could have seen him performing a moment of magic in hopeless games such as Fulham at home, Portsmouth at home, etc. I couldn't see really anyone else in our squad last season being able to do that. But of course we sold him to fund cloggers such as Nolan and the rest is history.

 

I'd have him back, ego and all.

[OTF 7492]

N'Zogbia is definitely a good player, pacey good on the ball, can shoot and can cross if given time, but he does have one weakness that will stop him from really excelling and going to the next level (in my opinion). He puts his head down too often when he has the ball and goes on a run. Consequently he's good at beating players, but misses passing opportunities that would be plainly visible if his head wasn't down.

 

Routledge and Jonas also suffer from the same problem. When they make a big run with the ball they're in a one man one goal situation far too often - ie. they have only one directive head towards goal. Out of the three of them Jonas is the weakest at shooting, and N'Zogbia probably the strongest (haven't seen a great deal of Routledge). N'Zogbia would benefit the most out of playing in a better team IMO though Routledge is the quickest when on the ball, and Jonas is the best at tracking back, defending and winning free-kicks.

 

Jonas is premierleague quality without a doubt. Too wasteful for a starting gig in a top side but is a headache for all defenses and is helpful in defending particularly when the opposition is on the counter. People who think otherwise likely have an axe to grind or have a far too one dimensional way of assessing the value of a player.

[Dr Gloom 22156]

Jonas is the classic nufc winger - talented but frustrating.

 

Good enough for the premier league? Yes

 

good enough for a top premier league side? No

 

worth bearing in mind that we are neither at the moment. I agree with those that say he will be much better with quality centre midfilders next to him

[Deano 0]

Jonas is the classic nufc winger - talented but frustrating.

 

Good enough for the premier league? Yes

 

good enough for a top premier league side? No

 

worth bearing in mind that we are neither at the moment. I agree with those that say he will be much better with quality centre midfilders next to him

 

Agree with all of that tbf.

 

With someone inside who can help create chances and lay through balls out wide for him would improve his play no end.

 

I must say though, he is probably the hardest grafting winger iv seen in a black and white shirt for a while and also his final ball has improved ALOT of late.