Rob W 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 If you take wins in competitive games (and leave out John Carver who ran the club for 1 sucessful game) Hughton comes top of ALL our managers since we 1930 (before that it was a committee) Hughton 56.76% KK 54.98% Martin (47-50) 49.03% SBR 46.66% Roeder 45.83% Cox 44.97% Souness 44.82% Mather (35-39) 43.57% Livingstone (54-56) 43.43% Cunningham (30-35) 41.83% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 most of the games in a truly awful league, but fair play to Chris...maybe he's the next Mourinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 The fact that our back four is the best in all four leagues is either testement to Hughton's management accumen or a startling indication of the gap between the CCC and PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4863 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 stats without context = useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 TBF that does start evening up the Robson/Keegan record (ie the number of games under Keegan that weren't in the top flight whereas Robson's all were). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22176 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 he definitely deserves credit for this season. the real test of course though is next season. if we go up, will he cut it? or will be the next rodent? the consensus seems to be that he isn't manager material and that he will be the next glen roeder. wouldn't it be great if he proved us all wrong though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Bring up his stats for Premier League games please Rob. I think that'll give you a whole different result. All bar 62 of Keegan's games were in the top flight. If Hughton's stats are as good 3 years down the line, THEN it's impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 What a shit wum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Does my wum look big in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Rather pedantic, but I wouldnt say most successful but with best win ratio. Most successful I'm not sure, maybe Stan Seymour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 The league were in you wouldn't expect much difference. Come this time next season in the Premiership and his stats are around the 53% mark then that would be impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 10 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 The league were in you wouldn't expect much difference. Come this time next season in the Premiership and his stats are around the 53% mark then that would be impressive would be a bloody miracle 4th spot here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4863 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 how about a points percentage? my problem with win % is that it classes draws and losses the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 The league were in you wouldn't expect much difference. Come this time next season in the Premiership and his stats are around the 53% mark then that would be impressive would be a bloody miracle 4th spot here we come. Lets start the party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 That all ? in FM2010 mines is 67%, guess I'm just a different kind of god though. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 he definitely deserves credit for this season. the real test of course though is next season. if we go up, will he cut it? or will be the next rodent? the consensus seems to be that he isn't manager material and that he will be the next glen roeder. wouldn't it be great if he proved us all wrong though I think deep down most of us think its going to be Roeder all over again and a sacking some point through the season or just a very poor season. Now it won't all be his fault as with Ashley in charge he isn't going to get the money he needs to make the squad what it should be, but he will i fear be found way out of his depth. It would be great if he proved us wrong though, because he will be here under Ashley as he's cheap. I'd much rather be wrong and have us doing well though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Joe Harvey eat your heart out, here's Chrissie Hughton.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Incidentally it shows how wank those stats are when you consider Souness & Roeder appear higher up the table than 2 men who delivered silverware (Cunningham and Livingstone) - and where the fuck is Joe Harvey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Incidentally it shows how wank those stats are when you consider Souness & Roeder appear higher up the table than 2 men who delivered silverware (Cunningham and Livingstone) - and where the fuck is Joe Harvey? LIke I said. Stan Seymour and Joe Harvey. you cant talk about our top managers without mentioning those. We're talking win ratio here though, not success. Plus, should a win mean more in the top division than in a lower league? Its all damn lies and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 stats without context = useless I've used this quote on here before: Statistics should be used like a drunk man uses a lamp-post; for support rather than illumination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4839 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 he definitely deserves credit for this season. the real test of course though is next season. if we go up, will he cut it? or will be the next rodent? the consensus seems to be that he isn't manager material and that he will be the next glen roeder. wouldn't it be great if he proved us all wrong though I think deep down most of us think its going to be Roeder all over again and a sacking some point through the season or just a very poor season. Now it won't all be his fault as with Ashley in charge he isn't going to get the money he needs to make the squad what it should be, but he will i fear be found way out of his depth. It would be great if he proved us wrong though, because he will be here under Ashley as he's cheap. I'd much rather be wrong and have us doing well though! Personally I think he's nothing like Roeder and I do think he's growing in the job. I also think he times substitutions well. Im quite happy to stick with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1261 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 he definitely deserves credit for this season. the real test of course though is next season. if we go up, will he cut it? or will be the next rodent? the consensus seems to be that he isn't manager material and that he will be the next glen roeder. wouldn't it be great if he proved us all wrong though I think deep down most of us think its going to be Roeder all over again and a sacking some point through the season or just a very poor season. Now it won't all be his fault as with Ashley in charge he isn't going to get the money he needs to make the squad what it should be, but he will i fear be found way out of his depth. It would be great if he proved us wrong though, because he will be here under Ashley as he's cheap. I'd much rather be wrong and have us doing well though! Personally I think he's nothing like Roeder and I do think he's growing in the job. I also think he times substitutions well. Im quite happy to stick with him. Bottom line is, if MA is still here come the start of next season, will Houghton be backed in the window? I fear that we wont see any buyers for the club or MA wont want to sell and we'll find ourselves run on a shoestring in a very different league. Our back line has been so good because we're still playing with Premiership players in the CCC. Looking at the goalscorers table, Nolan is top and Carroll is 2nd, but both are way down the league for the CCC. This is a glaring indication that we havent got the firepower to compete so fair play to Houghton et al. for producing the goods and maintaining our run at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4839 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Mike Ashley's biggest call yet: should he give Chris Hughton a shot at the Premier League or bring in a big name boss for next season? Simon Bird ---- The Mirror Only in the mad world of Newcastle United could the club be top of the league, heading for promotion... and having a debate over the long term future of manager Chris Hughton. But one question on Tyneside is vexing many a supporter as the prospect of promotion becomes more real with every victory. Do you stick with Hughton and keep him as the figurehead for what will be a fraught, difficult Premier League campaign? Or do you say: great job, thanks a lot, you will always be a hero here, but we’ll be bringing in a boss with top flight experience and a higher profile to relaunch on the worldwide stage of the top flight? It will become the most difficult, mind scrambling question facing Mike Ashley in the remaining months of the season. Even rival bosses seem to be puzzling. Take this unprompted quote from Preston boss Darren Ferguson after Saturday game. He said: “If a manager takes you up he deserves a chance. Mind you, I got two promotions at Peterborough and got the sack.” It is probably unfair and potentially destabilising to be talking about Hughton’s long term prospects at this juncture, with job only half done. After all Hughton has done superb work uniting a fractured club, calming the rancour that dragged it down, made vicious, and much needed cuts to the wage bill.....and somehow produced a team that is five points clear. Not giving Hughton the chance in the Premier League would be the harshest of harsh decisions. But these are the issues, along with his appetite (or lack of it) to remain as owner, that Mike Ashley and MD Derek Llambias should be pondering behind the scenes now. It is 69 days until the end of the Championship season. Wouldn’t it be a refreshing change if Newcastle could somehow spend a productive, stable summer searching for good value players, manager and owners securely in place pulling in the same direction. Rather than one in limbo as Ashley tries (and fails again?) to sell, with all the uncertainty that brings. It is undeniable that there are tempting arguments for replacing Hughton, despite the brilliantly low-key way he’s played it this season. The top flight requires an experienced front line boss, Hughton’s critics argue. There are two outstanding candidates. Ex-England boss Steve McClaren, who has restored his reputation at club level with FC Twente in Holland. His organised, defensive style would suit the immediate needs of a survival season. And Mark Hughes, who was considered by Ashley before Kevin Keegan got the job, and deserves a chance after his sacking from Manchester City. The heart says go for it. Get an experienced big-gun in. But then you think: Hasn’t that been Newcastle’s downfall in the past? Chasing names and reputations to puff up their own importance, rather than substance? Would a bigger name boss be better at luring fresh talent to St James’s Park (largely on a budget, aged under 26 and wages less than 15k a week) or would Hughton be better suited? Would a big name appointment be able to handle the idiosyncratic characters running Newcastle than Hughton is? After all he negotiated keeping key players in August and January, and emerged from last months dealings with a stronger squad, so he clearly knows how to twist their arms. Would changing manager ahead of a top flight season, when Newcastle will most likely lose more than they win, not simply recreate the pressure and hype for sackings that blighted recent seasons? A change would certainly disrupt the carefully built bonds of trust, respect and collaboration between players and staff this season. Surely sticking with Hughton, vastly experienced himself as a top flight coach at Spurs, letting him grind it out, staying under the radar with no ranting and raving, would be the fairest option? To be fair to Ashley is it a difficult call. When he took away Hughton’s “caretaker“ tag earlier this season Ashley said: “Chris deserves a shot at the title.” Well that is almost in the bag. Almost. And I can see Ashley’s logic being the same in the summer if he stays as owner. Hughton most likely will get a shot at the Premier League. And he’ll have earned it. Careful what you wish for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Even I place no stock in those stats. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 Even I place no stock in those stats. Apples and oranges. but a lot of those managers (including KK) managed us in both divisions so they still have validity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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