This suicide plane crash into a government building

[ChezGiven 0]

You can understand his bitterness though: taxed so unspeakably that he could barely run a private plane.

 

 

The months of waiting for clearance to fly his plane in domestic airspace without a flight plan must have built up the frustration too.

[Park Life 71]

You can understand his bitterness though: taxed so unspeakably that he could barely run a private plane.

 

 

Clooney is slated to star in the film version. Clooney raises one sexy eyebrow and looks pensive like only Clooney can....Now where's that flightplan.

[Park Life 71]

The clumsily-titled Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001 (USA PATRIOT Act, or USAPA) introduced a plethora of legislative changes which significantly increased the surveillance and investigative powers of law enforcement agencies in the United States. The Act did not, however, provide for the system of checks and balances that traditionally safeguards civil liberties in the face of such legislation.

 

Legislative proposals in response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 were introduced less than a week after the attacks. President Bush signed the final bill, the USA PATRIOT Act, into law on October 26, 2001. Though the Act made significant amendments to over 15 important statutes, it was introduced with great haste and passed with little debate, and without a House, Senate, or conference report. As a result, it lacks background legislative history that often retrospectively provides necessary statutory interpretation.

 

The Act was a compromise version of the Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 (ATA), a far-reaching legislative package intended to strengthen the nation's defense against terrorism. The ATA contained several provisions vastly expanding the authority of law enforcement and intelligence agencies to monitor private communications and access personal information. The final legislation included a few beneficial additions from the Administration's initial proposal: most notably, a so-called sunset provision (which provides that several sections of the act automatically expire after a certain period of time, unless they are explicitly renewed by Congress) on some of the electronic surveillance provisions, and an amendment providing judicial oversight of law enforcement's use of the FBI's Carnivore system.

 

However, the USA PATRIOT Act retains provisions appreciably expanding government investigative authority, especially with respect to the Internet. Those provisions address issues that are complex and implicate fundamental constitutional protections of individual liberty, including the appropriate procedures for interception of information transmitted over the Internet and other rapidly evolving technologies.

History

 

One of the most striking features of the USA PATRIOT Act is the lack of debate surrounding its introduction. Many of the provisions of the Act relating to electronic surveillance were proposed before September 11th, and were subject to much criticism and debate. John Podesta, White House Chief of Staff from 1998 - 2001, has questioned what has changed since then.

 

The events of September 11 convinced ... overwhelming majorities in Congress that law enforcement and national security officials need new legal tools to fight terrorism. But we should not forget what gave rise to the original opposition - many aspects of the bill increase the opportunity for law enforcement and the intelligence community to return to an era where they monitored and sometimes harassed individuals who were merely exercising their First Amendment rights. Nothing that occurred on September 11 mandates that we return to such an era.

 

- John Podesta, USA Patriot Act - The Good, the Bad, and the Sunset (Winter, 2002)

 

When the legislative proposals were introduced by the Bush administration in the aftermath of September 11th, Attorney General John Ashcroft gave Congress one week in which to pass the bill -- without changes. Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, managed to convince the Justice Department to agree to some changes, and members of the House began to make significant improvements. However, the Attorney General warned that further terrorist acts were imminent, and that Congress could be to blame for such attacks if it failed to pass the bill immediately.

 

Extensive and hurried negotiation in the Senate resulted in a bipartisan bill, stripped of many of the concessions won by Sen. Leahy. Senator Thomas Daschle, the majority leader, sought unanimous consent to pass the proposal without debate or amendment; Senator Russ Feingold was the only member to object.

 

Minor changes were made in the House, which passed the bill 357 to 66. The Senate and House versions were quickly reconciled, and the Act was signed into law on October 26, 2001

[manc-mag 1]

You can understand his bitterness though: taxed so unspeakably that he could barely run a private plane.

 

 

The months of waiting for clearance to fly his plane in domestic airspace without a flight plan must have built up the frustration too.

 

At least we were spared him twittering his way all the way into the second storey. I say that only semi-jokingly an all.

[trophyshy 7098]

Just when you think our american cousins can't get any wackier.

 

Freedom FTW!

[manc-mag 1]

Just when you think our american cousins can't get any wackier.

 

Freedom FTW!

 

If only we had a Tyneside based poster who could stand up to these wanks we could start to [rest of post removed on legal advice/Toontastic superinjunction]

[The Fish 11080]

Because he's not a foreigner[/Leazes]

[Park Life 71]

Because he's not a foreigner[/Leazes]

 

[The Fish 11080]

To be honest FOX news will eventually point at this as some kind of evidence that America is already paying too much tax and any tax hikes will encourage similar desperate acts. Because FOX news are cocks

[Happy Face 29]

Federal authorities are investigating the following Web posting linked to Joseph Stack, the pilot of the single-engine plane that crashed into an Austin, Texas, office building that housed IRS offices.

 

 

 

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If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

 

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

 

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

 

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

 

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

 

How did I get here?

 

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

 

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

 

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

 

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

 

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

 

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

 

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

 

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer… and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

 

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (

http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport

) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (

http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml

).

 

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

 

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

 

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

 

(

EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

 

Note:

 

· “another person” is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

 

· “taxpayer” is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

 

· “individual”, “employee”, or “worker” is you.

 

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

 

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

 

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

 

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

 

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

 

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

 

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

 

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

 

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

 

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

 

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

 

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

 

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

 

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

 

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

 

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

 

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

 

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

 

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

 

Edited February 19, 2010 by Happy Face

[Happy Face 29]

Terrorism: the most meaningless and manipulated word

 

Yesterday, Joseph Stack deliberately flew an airplane into a building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas, in order to advance the political grievances he outlined in a perfectly cogent suicide-manifesto. Stack's worldview contained elements of the tea party's anti-government anger along with substantial populist complaints generally associated with "the Left" (rage over bailouts, the suffering of America's poor, and the pilfering of the middle class by a corrupt economic elite and their government-servants). All of that was accompanied by an argument as to why violence was justified (indeed necessary) to protest those injustices:

 

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the "great" depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn't it ironic how far we've come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn't have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s "business-as-usual" . . . . Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.

 

Despite all that, The New York Times' Brian Stelter documents the deep reluctance of cable news chatterers and government officials to label the incident an act of "terrorism," even though -- as Dave Neiwert ably documents -- it perfectly fits, indeed is a classic illustration of, every official definition of that term. The issue isn't whether Stack's grievances are real or his responses just; it is that the act unquestionably comports with the official definition. But as NBC's Pete Williams said of the official insistence that this was not an act of Terrorism: there are "a couple of reasons to say that . . . One is he’s an American citizen." Fox News' Megan Kelley asked Catherine Herridge about these denials: "I take it that they mean terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to?," to which Herridge replied: "they mean terrorism in that capital T way."

 

All of this underscores, yet again, that Terrorism is simultaneously the single most meaningless and most manipulated word in the American political lexicon. The term now has virtually nothing to do with the act itself and everything to do with the identity of the actor, especially his or her religious identity. It has really come to mean: "a Muslim who fights against or even expresses hostility towards the United States, Israel and their allies." That's why all of this confusion and doubt arose yesterday over whether a person who perpetrated a classic act of Terrorism should, in fact, be called a Terrorist: he's not a Muslim and isn't acting on behalf of standard Muslim grievances against the U.S. or Israel, and thus does not fit the "definition." One might concede that perhaps there's some technical sense in which term might apply to Stack, but as Fox News emphasized: it's not "terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to . . . terrorism in that capital T way." We all know who commits terrorism in "that capital T way," and it's not people named Joseph Stack.

 

Contrast the collective hesitance to call Stack a "Terrorist" with the extremely dubious circumstances under which that term is reflexively applied to Muslims. If a Muslim attacks a military base preparing to deploy soldiers to a war zone, that person is a Terrorist. If an American Muslim argues that violence against the U.S. (particularly when aimed at military targets) is justified due to American violence aimed at the Muslim world, that person is a Terrorist who deserves assassination. And if the U.S. military invades a Muslim country, Muslims who live in the invaded and occupied country and who fight back against the invading American army -- by attacking nothing but military targets -- are also Terrorists. Indeed, large numbers of detainees at Guantanamo were accused of being Terrorists for nothing more than attacking members of an invading foreign army in their country, including 14-year-old Mohamed Jawad, who spent many years in Guantanamo, accused (almost certainly falsely) of throwing a grenade at two American troops in Afghanistan who were part of an invading force in that country. Obviously, plots targeting civilians for death -- the 9/11 attacks -- are pure terrorism, but a huge portion of the acts committed by Muslims that receive that label are not.

 

In sum: a Muslim who attacks military targets, including in war zones or even in their own countries that have been invaded by a foreign army, are Terrorists. A non-Muslim who flies an airplane into a government building in pursuit of a political agenda is not, or at least is not a Real Terrorist with a capital T -- not the kind who should be tortured and thrown in a cage with no charges and assassinated with no due process. Nor are Christians who stand outside abortion clinics and murder doctors and clinic workers. Nor are acts undertaken by us or our favored allies designed to kill large numbers of civilians or which will recklessly cause such deaths as a means of terrorizing the population into desired behavioral change -- the Glorious Shock and Awe campaign and the pummeling of Gaza. Except as a means for demonizing Muslims, the word is used so inconsistently and manipulatively that it is impoverished of any discernible meaning.

 

All of this would be an interesting though not terribly important semantic matter if not for the fact that the term Terrorist plays a central role in our political debates. It is the all-justifying term for anything the U.S. Government does. Invasions, torture, due-process-free detentions, military commissions, warrantless eavesdropping, obsessive secrecy, and even assassinations of American citizens are all justified by the claim that it's only being done to "Terrorists," who, by definition, have no rights. Even worse, one becomes a "Terrorist" not through any judicial adjudication or other formal process, but solely by virtue of the untested, unchecked say-so of the Executive Branch. The President decrees someone to be a Terrorist and that's the end of that: uncritical followers of both political parties immediately justify anything done to the person on the ground that he's a Terrorist (by which they actually mean: he's been accused of being one, though that distinction -- between presidential accusations and proof -- is not one they recognize).

 

If we're really going to vest virtually unlimited power in the Government to do anything it wants to people they call "Terrorists," we ought at least to have a common understanding of what the term means. But there is none. It's just become a malleable, all-justifying term to allow the U.S. Government carte blanche to do whatever it wants to Muslims it does not like or who do not like it (i.e., The Terrorists). It's really more of a hypnotic mantra than an actual word: its mere utterance causes the nation to cheer on whatever is done against Muslims who are so labeled.

 

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

 

As usual, Greenwald articulates the point perfectly.

[Cid_MCDP 0]

Sorry, I haven't taken the time to read all the posts in this thread (although I highly suspect Happy's post above mine just summarized it)- he's not a terrorist because the media doesn't want him to be.

 

They did the same end-run with McVeigh- the government wants us to be scared of external threats, not internal ones. This culture of fear perpetrated on me and my countrymen when directed towards the rest of the world generates a TON of cash for the military industrial complex that my boy Dwight D. warned us about. It's ok for us to be scared of shoe bombers and underwear bombers, but when one of our own has had enough and drives a plane into a government building, that's a bad thing because we don't (publicly) declare war on our own people unless they are criminals before the act. This act will be labeled as a tragedy inflicted upon the city of Austin (where I used to reside, although not at the same time as Happy's avatar, but I did visit his statue once) by a sick individual. It is NOT going to be labeld as an act of war by a disenchanted, pissed off individual because there are too many disenchanted, pissed off individual in this country who might follow suit.

 

I haven't watched the news the past couple of days as I've been working 14 hour days filling in for the maintenance guy we just fired, so I don't know how we're spinning it, but I can almost guarantee you this event has the tragedy spin and not the anger spin that is generally associated with acts of violence from outside sources.

[peasepud 59]

"As I got nearer I could see flames leaping out of the building - the flames were two storeys high. I could hear the glass windows shattering from the heat.

 

"My first thought was that it was a fire. The traffic was backed up all along the freeway."

 

No shit sherlock

[acrossthepond 901]

He's not Muslim, hence not a terrorist.

 

/thread. (I'm probably on some sort of watchlist for posting that now.)

[@yourservice 67]

Inside job I reckon like, should be in the "End of the world" thread this

[trophyshy 7098]

Sorry, I haven't taken the time to read all the posts in this thread (although I highly suspect Happy's post above mine just summarized it)- he's not a terrorist because the media doesn't want him to be.

 

They did the same end-run with McVeigh- the government wants us to be scared of external threats, not internal ones. This culture of fear perpetrated on me and my countrymen when directed towards the rest of the world generates a TON of cash for the military industrial complex that my boy Dwight D. warned us about. It's ok for us to be scared of shoe bombers and underwear bombers, but when one of our own has had enough and drives a plane into a government building, that's a bad thing because we don't (publicly) declare war on our own people unless they are criminals before the act. This act will be labeled as a tragedy inflicted upon the city of Austin (where I used to reside, although not at the same time as Happy's avatar, but I did visit his statue once) by a sick individual. It is NOT going to be labeld as an act of war by a disenchanted, pissed off individual because there are too many disenchanted, pissed off individual in this country who might follow suit.

 

I haven't watched the news the past couple of days as I've been working 14 hour days filling in for the maintenance guy we just fired, so I don't know how we're spinning it, but I can almost guarantee you this event has the tragedy spin and not the anger spin that is generally associated with acts of violence from outside sources.

 

Can you please post regularly for the next few weeks mate, just in case, you know.

[Cid_MCDP 0]

Sorry, I haven't taken the time to read all the posts in this thread (although I highly suspect Happy's post above mine just summarized it)- he's not a terrorist because the media doesn't want him to be.

 

They did the same end-run with McVeigh- the government wants us to be scared of external threats, not internal ones. This culture of fear perpetrated on me and my countrymen when directed towards the rest of the world generates a TON of cash for the military industrial complex that my boy Dwight D. warned us about. It's ok for us to be scared of shoe bombers and underwear bombers, but when one of our own has had enough and drives a plane into a government building, that's a bad thing because we don't (publicly) declare war on our own people unless they are criminals before the act. This act will be labeled as a tragedy inflicted upon the city of Austin (where I used to reside, although not at the same time as Happy's avatar, but I did visit his statue once) by a sick individual. It is NOT going to be labeld as an act of war by a disenchanted, pissed off individual because there are too many disenchanted, pissed off individual in this country who might follow suit.

 

I haven't watched the news the past couple of days as I've been working 14 hour days filling in for the maintenance guy we just fired, so I don't know how we're spinning it, but I can almost guarantee you this event has the tragedy spin and not the anger spin that is generally associated with acts of violence from outside sources.

 

Can you please post regularly for the next few weeks mate, just in case, you know.

 

Lols... can do Trophy!

[Park Life 71]

Sorry, I haven't taken the time to read all the posts in this thread (although I highly suspect Happy's post above mine just summarized it)- he's not a terrorist because the media doesn't want him to be.

 

They did the same end-run with McVeigh- the government wants us to be scared of external threats, not internal ones. This culture of fear perpetrated on me and my countrymen when directed towards the rest of the world generates a TON of cash for the military industrial complex that my boy Dwight D. warned us about. It's ok for us to be scared of shoe bombers and underwear bombers, but when one of our own has had enough and drives a plane into a government building, that's a bad thing because we don't (publicly) declare war on our own people unless they are criminals before the act. This act will be labeled as a tragedy inflicted upon the city of Austin (where I used to reside, although not at the same time as Happy's avatar, but I did visit his statue once) by a sick individual. It is NOT going to be labeld as an act of war by a disenchanted, pissed off individual because there are too many disenchanted, pissed off individual in this country who might follow suit.

 

I haven't watched the news the past couple of days as I've been working 14 hour days filling in for the maintenance guy we just fired, so I don't know how we're spinning it, but I can almost guarantee you this event has the tragedy spin and not the anger spin that is generally associated with acts of violence from outside sources.

 

A war is coming. The people will rise and they know it....New Orleans was the Beta test....Fema camps are ready...People of the world unite and take over..etc..

[Tooj 17]

Sorry, I haven't taken the time to read all the posts in this thread (although I highly suspect Happy's post above mine just summarized it)- he's not a terrorist because the media doesn't want him to be.

 

They did the same end-run with McVeigh- the government wants us to be scared of external threats, not internal ones. This culture of fear perpetrated on me and my countrymen when directed towards the rest of the world generates a TON of cash for the military industrial complex that my boy Dwight D. warned us about. It's ok for us to be scared of shoe bombers and underwear bombers, but when one of our own has had enough and drives a plane into a government building, that's a bad thing because we don't (publicly) declare war on our own people unless they are criminals before the act. This act will be labeled as a tragedy inflicted upon the city of Austin (where I used to reside, although not at the same time as Happy's avatar, but I did visit his statue once) by a sick individual. It is NOT going to be labeld as an act of war by a disenchanted, pissed off individual because there are too many disenchanted, pissed off individual in this country who might follow suit.

 

I haven't watched the news the past couple of days as I've been working 14 hour days filling in for the maintenance guy we just fired, so I don't know how we're spinning it, but I can almost guarantee you this event has the tragedy spin and not the anger spin that is generally associated with acts of violence from outside sources.

 

A war is coming. The people will rise and they know it....New Orleans was the Beta test....Fema camps are ready...People of the world unite and take over..etc..

It's shoplifters man.

[Park Life 71]

Sorry, I haven't taken the time to read all the posts in this thread (although I highly suspect Happy's post above mine just summarized it)- he's not a terrorist because the media doesn't want him to be.

 

They did the same end-run with McVeigh- the government wants us to be scared of external threats, not internal ones. This culture of fear perpetrated on me and my countrymen when directed towards the rest of the world generates a TON of cash for the military industrial complex that my boy Dwight D. warned us about. It's ok for us to be scared of shoe bombers and underwear bombers, but when one of our own has had enough and drives a plane into a government building, that's a bad thing because we don't (publicly) declare war on our own people unless they are criminals before the act. This act will be labeled as a tragedy inflicted upon the city of Austin (where I used to reside, although not at the same time as Happy's avatar, but I did visit his statue once) by a sick individual. It is NOT going to be labeld as an act of war by a disenchanted, pissed off individual because there are too many disenchanted, pissed off individual in this country who might follow suit.

 

I haven't watched the news the past couple of days as I've been working 14 hour days filling in for the maintenance guy we just fired, so I don't know how we're spinning it, but I can almost guarantee you this event has the tragedy spin and not the anger spin that is generally associated with acts of violence from outside sources.

 

A war is coming. The people will rise and they know it....New Orleans was the Beta test....Fema camps are ready...People of the world unite and take over..etc..

It's shoplifters man.

 

Same thing innit?

[Park Life 71]

MOSCOW, Ohio – An Ohio man says he bulldozed his $350,000 home to keep a bank from foreclosing on it.

Terry Hoskins says he has struggled with the RiverHills Bank over his home in Moscow for years and had problems with the Internal Revenue Service. He says the IRS placed liens on his carpet store and commercial property and the bank claimed his house as collateral.

 

Hoskins says he owes $160,000 on the house. He says he spent a lot of money on attorneys and finally had enough. About two weeks ago he bulldozed the home 25 miles southeast of Cincinnati.

 

Messages were left for the bank and its attorney.

 

IRS spokeswoman Jodie Reynolds said individual taxpayer information is private and federal law prevents her from commenting.

[Guest alex]

He really showed them like.

[Park Life 71]

He really showed them like.

 

Stopped the bank re-selling it.

[Guest alex]

He really showed them like.

 

Stopped the bank re-selling it.

I know that.

[Park Life 71]

He really showed them like.

 

Stopped the bank re-selling it.

I know that.

 

Stop playing up then.