Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 The pilot of a plane which crashed into an office block in Austin, Texas, left a note expressing his anger at federal tax authorities, police say. Police are linking the apparent suicide note left online to Joseph Andrew Stack, the man named as the pilot. The note criticised the Internal Revenue Service - based inside the office block and declared: "Violence is the only answer." Firefighters continue to search for one person who is still unaccounted for. 'Leaping flames' The single-engined Piper Cherokee plane hit the second floor of the seven-storey building at 0956 local time (1556GMT). It had taken off from nearby Georgetown airport in Texas, and did not file a flight plan, Lynn Lunsford of the Federal Aviation Administration said. Heather Wills, from Austin, told the BBC that she was driving past when she saw the huge cloud of black smoke. "As I got nearer I could see flames leaping out of the building - the flames were two storeys high. I could hear the glass windows shattering from the heat. "My first thought was that it was a fire. The traffic was backed up all along the freeway." Around 190 IRS employees work in the office complex and some were forced to climb out of windows after the plane burst into flames. Two people were taken to hospital, but it is not clear if they were seriously injured. There has been no official statement on the status of the pilot. Grievance Police are also investigating whether Mr Stack set fire to his house before crashing the plane. The message on the website apparently registered to and signed by Mr Stack speaks of having problems with the IRS. "Well, Mr Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well," the note reads. Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said there was no cause for concern and assured residents that it was an isolated incident. The White House said the crash did not appear to be an act of terrorism. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said President Barack Obama had been briefed about the incident. The Department of Homeland Security was investigating the crash, he added. As a precaution, the North American Aerospace Defense Command scrambled two F-16 fighter jets from Houston, Texas, to patrol the area. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8522746.stm Why do the White House not view this as an act of terrorism? (GQ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4446 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Not commited by the real enemy I'd guess. I think McVeigh seems to have been airbrushed out of the history of the "war" as well - not expedient to target White Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Think you'd have to classify any act of vioelence of any description as an act of terrorism though if you're applying those principles. Which is an argument that can be made, but probably isn't necessary for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 The re-definition of words in this area is the worst example of propaganda as far as I'm concerned. "War" for example (in an international political sense) is conflict between between countries or states. The war on terror is not a war at all, there has not been a declaration of war against any state, terror is not an entity that can surrender or be defeated, yet politicians constantly declare that we are in a state of war and that anyone we detain is a prisoner of war. "Terrorism" has gone the same way. Despite the UK and US comitting several acts of terrorism itself (use of violence, especially murder and bombing, in order to achieve political aims) it's not defined as such by anyone in power whenever they do it, and now they're going further and denying that other people are terrorists (even though he has expliciutly stated in a suicide letter that "violence is the only answer" before commiting the act) unless they are opponents of western colonialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Think you'd have to classify any act of vioelence of any description as an act of terrorism though if you're applying those principles. Which is an argument that can be made, but probably isn't necessary for the most part. Any act with political aims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4446 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Despite the UK and US comitting several acts of terrorism And of course Israel with complete impunity (and encouragement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Think you'd have to classify any act of vioelence of any description as an act of terrorism though if you're applying those principles. Which is an argument that can be made, but probably isn't necessary for the most part. Any act with political aims. Did he have 'political aims'? Genuine question btw as I've only read the contents of your post. More akin to chinning a traffic warden or the like innit (obviously a more extreme version)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 The re-definition of words in this area is the worst example of propaganda as far as I'm concerned. "War" for example (in an international political sense) is conflict between between countries or states. The war on terror is not a war at all, there has not been a declaration of war against any state, terror is not an entity that can surrender or be defeated, yet politicians constantly declare that we are in a state of war and that anyone we detain is a prisoner of war. "Terrorism" has gone the same way. Despite the UK and US comitting several acts of terrorism itself (use of violence, especially murder and bombing, in order to achieve political aims) it's not defined as such by anyone in power whenever they do it, and now they're going further and denying that other people are terrorists (even though he has expliciutly stated in a suicide letter that "violence is the only answer" before commiting the act) unless they are opponents of western colonialism. Largely agree with you here btw. A completely deliberate misuse of the words as well, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Think you'd have to classify any act of vioelence of any description as an act of terrorism though if you're applying those principles. Which is an argument that can be made, but probably isn't necessary for the most part. Any act with political aims. Did he have 'political aims'? Genuine question btw as I've only read the contents of your post. More akin to chinning a traffic warden or the like innit (obviously a more extreme version)? The way I saw it was as a violent retaliation against the perceived high levels of taxation. It wasn't just suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 More importantly, why do the BBC report the White House view (with all it's political bias) and not question it. While completely disagreeing, I can understand the motives for the White House to play it down as any sort of political statement, and would expect nothing more. But it's a disgrace for the BBC to report what they're told without examination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 The re-definition of words in this area is the worst example of propaganda as far as I'm concerned. "War" for example (in an international political sense) is conflict between between countries or states. The war on terror is not a war at all, there has not been a declaration of war against any state, terror is not an entity that can surrender or be defeated, yet politicians constantly declare that we are in a state of war and that anyone we detain is a prisoner of war. "Terrorism" has gone the same way. Despite the UK and US comitting several acts of terrorism itself (use of violence, especially murder and bombing, in order to achieve political aims) it's not defined as such by anyone in power whenever they do it, and now they're going further and denying that other people are terrorists (even though he has expliciutly stated in a suicide letter that "violence is the only answer" before commiting the act) unless they are opponents of western colonialism. Double plus good speak innit. We have always been at war with Eurasia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Think you'd have to classify any act of vioelence of any description as an act of terrorism though if you're applying those principles. Which is an argument that can be made, but probably isn't necessary for the most part. Any act with political aims. Did he have 'political aims'? Genuine question btw as I've only read the contents of your post. More akin to chinning a traffic warden or the like innit (obviously a more extreme version)? The way I saw it was as a violent retaliation against the perceived high levels of taxation. It wasn't just suicide. No I get that and I'd agree. And it was definitely more than just suicide as it was suicide and attempted murder at a minimum. I don't imagine he was trying to create a climate of fear though was he? It basically amounted to: 'right you cunts you're not doing what I want so you can have a smack instead!' If his aim was to genuinely instil fear of going about tax collection then I think that's different and it would amount to terrorism. I don't really take that meaning from the information though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Respec my Homelan securiteeeeaaahhh!! Love the way they started taking guns away after Katrina and told people they weren't legally allowed to help each other. America can deal with a lot of things but if the people go bad...It's over. Quick get a sexy black man in!!!!111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) Think you'd have to classify any act of vioelence of any description as an act of terrorism though if you're applying those principles. Which is an argument that can be made, but probably isn't necessary for the most part. Any act with political aims. Did he have 'political aims'? Genuine question btw as I've only read the contents of your post. More akin to chinning a traffic warden or the like innit (obviously a more extreme version)? The way I saw it was as a violent retaliation against the perceived high levels of taxation. It wasn't just suicide. No I get that and I'd agree. And it was definitely more than just suicide as it was suicide and attempted murder at a minimum. I don't imagine he was trying to create a climate of fear though was he? It basically amounted to: 'right you cunts you're not doing what I want so you can have a smack instead!' If his aim was to genuinely instil fear of going about tax collection then I think that's different and it would amount to terrorism. I don't really take that meaning from the information though. I see what you're saying. Plus, it looks like this bloke hasn't wanted to kill as many people as possible because he's crashed his plane into the building while it's virtually empty. I still don't see how it's anything other than terrorism though. The IRA would generally let us know when they'd planted a bomb. Gentlemen terrorists we look back upon fondly They all use violent methods to shine a spotlight on their cause though. If there were likeminded individuals that this bloke had entered into a pact with online, they'd be a terrorist organisation. The fact he's a loner doesn't alter the fact he's a terrorist...like McVeigh. EDIT: Though I may be rushing to form my opinion without many of the facts.....a bit like the White House Edited February 19, 2010 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Respec my Homelan securiteeeeaaahhh!! Love the way they started taking guns away after Katrina and told people they weren't legally allowed to help each other. America can deal with a lot of things but if the people go bad...It's over. Quick get a sexy black man in!!!!111 As you predicted Ji-Sung, the uprising has begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6702 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Not a terrorist?? Evidently doesn't own any land with oil laying beneath it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Respec my Homelan securiteeeeaaahhh!! Love the way they started taking guns away after Katrina and told people they weren't legally allowed to help each other. America can deal with a lot of things but if the people go bad...It's over. Quick get a sexy black man in!!!!111 As you predicted Ji-Sung, the uprising has begun. I notice Oh Banana has called for a setting up of national guard type thing or citizens army or summat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Experts and federal reports today are saying that the Austin airplane bomber of the U.S. tax building is not a "terrorist" and that "terrorism" is not involved. "Of course he's a terrorist and it was terrorism," says Robert Weiner, former spokesman for the White House National Drug Policy office and the U.S. House Government Operations Committee. "He's a domestic terrorist. He wrote a confirmed suicide note saying he was mad at his tax bill, the national health care stalemate, and the bailout helping corporations and not people. He opposed the government and our laws, and flew a plane into a federal building to make his point. If that's not terrorism, what is?" Weiner asked. "It's as though experts are expressing a sigh of relief because he's not al Qaeda. It's actually worse, he's one of ours, homegrown. Homegrown terrorism is an equal or even bigger threat than al Qaeda – consider Oklahoma City, Virginia Tech, Columbine, and now today's actions. The fact that he's our extremist nut instead of al Qaeda's does not stop him from being labeled a terrorist," Weiner concluded. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/au...r-84726872.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Respec my Homelan securiteeeeaaahhh!! Love the way they started taking guns away after Katrina and told people they weren't legally allowed to help each other. America can deal with a lot of things but if the people go bad...It's over. Quick get a sexy black man in!!!!111 As you predicted Ji-Sung, the uprising has begun. I notice Oh Banana has called for a setting up of national guard type thing or citizens army or summat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Experts and federal reports today are saying that the Austin airplane bomber of the U.S. tax building is not a "terrorist" and that "terrorism" is not involved. "Of course he's a terrorist and it was terrorism," says Robert Weiner, former spokesman for the White House National Drug Policy office and the U.S. House Government Operations Committee. "He's a domestic terrorist. He wrote a confirmed suicide note saying he was mad at his tax bill, the national health care stalemate, and the bailout helping corporations and not people. He opposed the government and our laws, and flew a plane into a federal building to make his point. If that's not terrorism, what is?" Weiner asked. "It's as though experts are expressing a sigh of relief because he's not al Qaeda. It's actually worse, he's one of ours, homegrown. Homegrown terrorism is an equal or even bigger threat than al Qaeda – consider Oklahoma City, Virginia Tech, Columbine, and now today's actions. The fact that he's our extremist nut instead of al Qaeda's does not stop him from being labeled a terrorist," Weiner concluded. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/au...r-84726872.html It will all go off when they try to take the guns away. Obama wants to deepen the Clinton anti- automatic guns legislation. Oklahoma, Texas and the Carolinas are already digging in for Koresh type seiges.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) Incredible that Americans that spit blood over other terrorist are claiming this bloke as a hero.... Mr. Stack is a true American hero JOSEPH STACK AN AMERICAN HERO! His name was Joseph Andrew Stack. He died serving project mayhem. In death we are all Joseph Stack. http://www.americablog.com/2010/02/anti-go...uts-launch.html (especially at the Fight club reference) Edited February 19, 2010 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Incredible that Americans that spit blood over other terrorist are claiming this bloke as a hero.... Mr. Stack is a true American hero JOSEPH STACK AN AMERICAN HERO! His name was Joseph Andrew Stack. He died serving project mayhem. In death we are all Joseph Stack. http://www.americablog.com/2010/02/anti-go...uts-launch.html (especially at the Fight club reference) I think you underestimate the strenght of feeling against the Federal Govt...Tax is actually illegal under the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Incredible that Americans that spit blood over other terrorist are claiming this bloke as a hero.... Mr. Stack is a true American hero JOSEPH STACK AN AMERICAN HERO! His name was Joseph Andrew Stack. He died serving project mayhem. In death we are all Joseph Stack. http://www.americablog.com/2010/02/anti-go...uts-launch.html (especially at the Fight club reference) I think you underestimate the strenght of feeling against the Federal Govt...Tax is actually illegal under the constitution. That's a myth. Bill Benson wrote a book claiming that the Sixteenth Amendment was never ratified, and therefore Congress cannot impose an income tax. He's been arguing for close to 20 years now, and has had his arguments routinely thrown out and rejected by several courts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Ame...es_Constitution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 You can understand his bitterness though: taxed so unspeakably that he could barely run a private plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Incredible that Americans that spit blood over other terrorist are claiming this bloke as a hero.... Mr. Stack is a true American hero JOSEPH STACK AN AMERICAN HERO! His name was Joseph Andrew Stack. He died serving project mayhem. In death we are all Joseph Stack. http://www.americablog.com/2010/02/anti-go...uts-launch.html (especially at the Fight club reference) I think you underestimate the strenght of feeling against the Federal Govt...Tax is actually illegal under the constitution. That's a myth. Bill Benson wrote a book claiming that the Sixteenth Amendment was never ratified, and therefore Congress cannot impose an income tax. He's been arguing for close to 20 years now, and has had his arguments routinely thrown out and rejected by several courts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Ame...es_Constitution Only joking. I think they are one weaponized flu jab away from having a go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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