Happy Face 29 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 Yeah just give them stuff to build nukes. Barack Obama is to ask the US Congress for an extra $200m in military aid to help Israel get a short-range rocket defence system in place. The system, called Iron Dome, has gone through testing and installation will start later this year. According to US State Department figures, direct military aid to Israel was $2.55bn in 2009. This is set to increase to $3.15bn in 2018. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8681919.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Yeah just give them stuff to build nukes. Barack Obama is to ask the US Congress for an extra $200m in military aid to help Israel get a short-range rocket defence system in place. The system, called Iron Dome, has gone through testing and installation will start later this year. According to US State Department figures, direct military aid to Israel was $2.55bn in 2009. This is set to increase to $3.15bn in 2018. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8681919.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Iran has signed an agreement to send uranium abroad for enrichment after mediation talks in Tehran with Turkish and Brazilian leaders. Iran's foreign ministry said it was ready to ship 1,200kg of low-enriched uranium to Turkey, in return for nuclear fuel for a research reactor. Correspondents say the plan could revive a UN-backed proposal and may ward off another round of sanctions. Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is calling on world leaders for new talks. He said it was time for talks "with Iran based on honesty, justice and mutual respect". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8685846.stm More reasonable behaviour from those dangerous Iranians. Being spun as Machialvellian tactics by the actual most dangerous country in the region... Israel was quick to react to the deal. The AFP news agency reported an unnamed official as accusing Iran of "manipulating" Turkey and Brazil to stave off further sanctions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8685846.stm Gullible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 Gullible Iran has no detectable nuclear weapons program and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly certified (again this spring) that no nuclear material at the Natanz plant has been diverted for non-civilian purposes. You take the right wing US propaganda as fact without any evidence to back it up. I accept what the US intelligence actually says on the matter and what the IAEA say, after all, they police this stuff around the globe. So who's more gullible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 Gullible Iran has no detectable nuclear weapons program and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly certified (again this spring) that no nuclear material at the Natanz plant has been diverted for non-civilian purposes. You take the right wing US propaganda as fact without any evidence to back it up. I accept what the US intelligence actually says on the matter and what the IAEA say, after all, they police this stuff around the globe. So who's more gullible? you, if you really believe those Iranians are "peace loving" etc etc and have no aggressive intent towards the West or Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 aye but you think the Wearsiders are planning to get the bomb and nuke us 'n aalll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 18, 2010 Author Share Posted May 18, 2010 Gullible Iran has no detectable nuclear weapons program and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly certified (again this spring) that no nuclear material at the Natanz plant has been diverted for non-civilian purposes. You take the right wing US propaganda as fact without any evidence to back it up. I accept what the US intelligence actually says on the matter and what the IAEA say, after all, they police this stuff around the globe. So who's more gullible? you, if you really believe those Iranians are "peace loving" etc etc and have no aggressive intent towards the West or Israel. Iran haven't started an aggressive war of conquest against another country in over a century. They might harbour resentment over how they're being treated though....this will only increase with further sanctions and war rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 done a fair bit of meddling recently mind............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Castell 0 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Let them all blow each other up. Both Iran and Israel are run by zealous loons, so talking is not going to go anywhere. So even the odds on the winner and let them get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 unfortunately radioactive fallout spreads and its a lot worse for yer health than volcanic ash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 unfortunately radioactive fallout spreads and its a lot worse for yer health than volcanic ash People will still be discussing their flights tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Let them all blow each other up. Both Iran and Israel are run by zealous loons, so talking is not going to go anywhere. So even the odds on the winner and let them get on with it. Iran don't have the capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Share Posted May 21, 2010 yet Well nor do Bhutan yet, and we're not pressing sanctions on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Think they're gonna use the earthquakes weapon anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 (edited) yet Well nor do Bhutan yet, and we're not pressing sanctions on them. they don't have a load of centrifuges IIRC EDIT I apologise - the Bhutanese are using prayer wheels cunningly adopted to process hi-grade Uranium Delivery systems are a bit of a problem mind............... Edited May 25, 2010 by Rob W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 25, 2010 Author Share Posted May 25, 2010 (edited) yet Well nor do Bhutan yet, and we're not pressing sanctions on them. they don't have a load of centrifuges IIRC EDIT I apologise - the Bhutanese are using prayer wheels cunningly adopted to process hi-grade Uranium Delivery systems are a bit of a problem mind............... Sorry for picking a country out of my arse. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty allows countries to build nuclear power stations under international supervision. Countries with nuclear power plants: Argentina Armenia Belgium Brazil Bulgaria Canada China Croatia Czech Republic Finland France Germany Hungary India Japan Korea, South (ROK) Mexico Netherlands Pakistan Romania Russia Slovakia Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland Taiwan (ROC) Ukraine United Kingdom United States Countries planning to introduce nuclear power: Bangladesh Belarus Egypt Indonesia Iran Israel Italy Kazakhstan North Korea Lithuania Poland Thailand Turkey United Arab Emirates Vietnam But only one of them is getting sanctions imposed that I know of. ...and in the news..... Today's revelations about Shimon Peres' meetings with PW Botha to discuss missiles and warheads come at an extremely delicate moment at the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) Review Conference in New York. As the conference, aimed at repairing and updating the global arms control regime, the vexed issue of a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East. At its heart, this is a matter of double standards. Egypt is leading a chorus of Arab and other non-nuclear states who want Israel to feel some of the pressure that Iran is undergoing, for its lack of transparency over its nuclear arsenal, and its efforts to maintain that nuclear monopoly in the region. As Chris points out in his piece, Israel's tacit defence, pursued on its behalf by its allies, has been that it - unlike Iran - is a 'responsible' nuclear power. Yet here you have Shimon Peres talking nukes with a nutcase white supremacist government. Avner Cohen, the author of Israel and the Bomb, and the forthcoming The Worst-Kept Secret: Israel's Bargain with the Bomb, has taken issue with the headline of the piece. While there is no doubt (as the documents point out) that there was a SA probe to Israel for nuclear weapons, which stimulates a certain opaque Israeli response made by the Israeli Minister of Defense, Shimon Peres, there is no proof whatsoever that Israel ultimately officially OFFERED those weapons to SA. In fact, I know that Israel did not: Israel neither offered and passed along nuclear weapons (and materials) nor weapons designs to the South Africans. Whatever the SA discussed among themselves in memos, and regardless of what Minister Peres told them, Prime Minister Rabin and the people in charge of the Israeli nuclear program (Mr. Shaleheveth Freier) were never willing to pass along weapons components and/or designs to the SA. Nothing like that ever formally offered to SA, regardless of Peres' reference to the "correct warhead." At the end of the day South Africa did not ask and Israel did not offer the "correct payloads.". Israel did behave as a responsible nuclear state. Chris points out in his piece that it was not clear whether Rabin would have signed off the deal, but it seems to me if you have the defence minister telling PW Botha that "the correct payload was available in three sizes" that amounts to an informal offer, a preliminary offer, whether or not it was finally consummated as "an official offer'. We are talking about a defence minister here, not some deniable intermediary. If I walked to buy a car from a company salesman and was told it was "available in three sizes", I would take it that it was for sale. Meanwhile, back at the NPT, Rebecca Johnson of the Acronym Institute reports on the state of play at the NPT conference. Here is her section on the draft resolution on the Middle East zone. This draft recognises the critical importance of the 1995 Resolution on the Middle East, notes the P-5 statement's commitment to its full implementation, and regrets there has been so little progress. The following practical steps are endorsed: an "initial conference" in 2012 convened by the UN Secretary-General and involving all states in the Middle East, and a Special Coordinator with a mandate to facilitate implementation of the 1995 Resolution, conduct consultations and undertake preparations for the Conference and, importantly, "follow-on steps", with reports to be provided to NPT states parties at the 2012, 2013 and 2014 PrepComs. The draft seeks a middle way between the Arab states' desire for a negotiating conference and the US view that this would be premature, by describing the purpose of the Conference as "leading to the establishment of a Middle East zone free of nuclear weapons and all other weapons of mass destruction, on the basis of arrangements freely arrived at by the States of the region..." In addition to recognising the importance of the draft proposed "complementary steps" such as an EU-hosted event and background documentation regarding verification. It also emphasises the importance of "parallel progress, in substance and timing" relating to achieving total and complete elimination of all nuclear, chemical and biological weapons from the region. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-bor...ear-southafrica Edited May 25, 2010 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 "but only one of them is getting sanctions imposed that I know of" well N Korea isn't flavour of the month and almost all the countries you list allow inspections and have not installed centrifuges for enrichment - they're buying standard stations off the shelf Don't get me wrong - I can see a lot of two faced stuff specially when you include Israel in the mix butMr Dinner Jacket doesn't convince anyone with his capering about I'm afraid - they are building a bomb and they should just say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 25, 2010 Author Share Posted May 25, 2010 "but only one of them is getting sanctions imposed that I know of" well N Korea isn't flavour of the month and almost all the countries you list allow inspections and have not installed centrifuges for enrichment - they're buying standard stations off the shelf Don't get me wrong - I can see a lot of two faced stuff specially when you include Israel in the mix butMr Dinner Jacket doesn't convince anyone with his capering about I'm afraid - they are building a bomb and they should just say so And Saddam definitley had WMD.... Both your links (although sad) are an inevitable result of war. We'll never know (having made the decision to invade) how many of those deaths were avoidable. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's the point tbh. It's an incredible amount of civilian casualties in Iraq. At this rate the US will overtake Saddam. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I seriously wonder if even the US would take the same actions again now, if they knew what the consequences would have been, which like I have said, were very predictable to all apart from the right wing bigots. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thats what we all said about S Vietnam......................... Give them another 30 years and they'll have forgotten all the lessons............. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=143735 Looks like they're going to manage it in less than half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 come on man- why do they need centrifuges? Why are they hiding stuff under mountains and not telling anyone?? If I was Iranian I'd be building a bomb for sure - why don't they just admit it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 26, 2010 Author Share Posted May 26, 2010 come on man- why do they need centrifuges? Why are they hiding stuff under mountains and not telling anyone?? If I was Iranian I'd be building a bomb for sure - why don't they just admit it?? Why don't Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9478 Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 come on man- why do they need centrifuges? Why are they hiding stuff under mountains and not telling anyone?? If I was Iranian I'd be building a bomb for sure - why don't they just admit it?? Why don't Israel? Why should Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 come on man- why do they need centrifuges? Why are they hiding stuff under mountains and not telling anyone?? If I was Iranian I'd be building a bomb for sure - why don't they just admit it?? Why don't Israel? Why should Israel? Don't you think a lot of the anti-West feeling in the Muslim world stems from the perception (shared by many in the West, including a lot of Jews tbf) that it's one rule for Israel and one rule for everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 26, 2010 Author Share Posted May 26, 2010 come on man- why do they need centrifuges? Why are they hiding stuff under mountains and not telling anyone?? If I was Iranian I'd be building a bomb for sure - why don't they just admit it?? Why don't Israel? Why should Israel? Why should Iran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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