France gets tough...

[Park Life 71]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

[Renton 21986]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

 

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

[NJS 4411]

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

 

I honestly think that was a knock-on effect from similar Muslim/Christian protests as in "if they can get uppity so can we" - doesn't make it right of course but again they have the right to protest (peacefully).

[NJS 4411]

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

 

Unforunately the kind of secular state you and I would like would require wholesale change to the state and government - especially the monarchy - as you so quite rightly said the Americans sort of got it right but starting from scratch was the key,

[Guest Stevie]

A sikh is the "top boy" in Forest's firm, now that is what I call integration. If I was prime minister I'd send out 10 questions to people who aren't born in this country but live here, and one of the questions would be are bacon sandwiches nice. 8/10 you can stay any lower do one.

[Renton 21986]

A sikh is the "top boy" in Forest's firm, now that is what I call integration. If I was prime minister I'd send out 10 questions to people who aren't born in this country but live here, and one of the questions would be are bacon sandwiches nice. 8/10 you can stay any lower do one.

 

What other questions do you have in mind? And where exactly are the vegetarians supposed to go to?

[AgentAxeman 189]

A sikh is the "top boy" in Forest's firm, now that is what I call integration. If I was prime minister I'd send out 10 questions to people who aren't born in this country but live here, and one of the questions would be are bacon sandwiches nice. 8/10 you can stay any lower do one.

 

 

tough but fair

[Guest alex]

A sikh is the "top boy" in Forest's firm, now that is what I call integration. If I was prime minister I'd send out 10 questions to people who aren't born in this country but live here, and one of the questions would be are bacon sandwiches nice. 8/10 you can stay any lower do one.

 

 

tough but fair

Careful you two, you don't want to get labelled 'intellectuals'.

[AgentAxeman 189]

A sikh is the "top boy" in Forest's firm, now that is what I call integration. If I was prime minister I'd send out 10 questions to people who aren't born in this country but live here, and one of the questions would be are bacon sandwiches nice. 8/10 you can stay any lower do one.

 

 

tough but fair

Careful you two, you don't want to get labelled 'intellectuals'.

 

 

i dont even know how to spell it..................

[Guest alex]

A sikh is the "top boy" in Forest's firm, now that is what I call integration. If I was prime minister I'd send out 10 questions to people who aren't born in this country but live here, and one of the questions would be are bacon sandwiches nice. 8/10 you can stay any lower do one.

 

 

tough but fair

Careful you two, you don't want to get labelled 'intellectuals'.

 

 

i dont even know how to spell it..................

'I' followed by 'T'.

[Park Life 71]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

 

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

 

I think in the final analysis France is correct.

[AgentAxeman 189]

A sikh is the "top boy" in Forest's firm, now that is what I call integration. If I was prime minister I'd send out 10 questions to people who aren't born in this country but live here, and one of the questions would be are bacon sandwiches nice. 8/10 you can stay any lower do one.

 

 

tough but fair

Careful you two, you don't want to get labelled 'intellectuals'.

 

 

i dont even know how to spell it..................

'I' followed by 'T'.

 

 

 

aye, i'll keep setting them up for ya!!

 

[AgentAxeman 189]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

 

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

 

I think in the final analysis France is correct.

 

 

I agree

[LeazesMag 0]

Lonely, drunken racist seeks internet attention as cock fails to function.

 

desperate for a "wind up" are we ? Hilarious that you actually think you "wind me up".

 

of all the cocks on here, you must be the biggest. I've told you I am happy with my life, and very comfortable thanks.

 

At the end of the day lad, a brainwashed no nowt student isn't going to change my mind, least of all you.

 

How are things in Manchester are all those horrible mancs still laughing at your poor little feelings

[LeazesMag 0]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

 

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

 

I think in the final analysis France is correct.

 

 

I agree

 

Absolutely.

[Guest alex]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

 

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

 

I think in the final analysis France is correct.

 

 

I agree

Despite you starting the thread it's took 31 pages and someone else to say it 1st for you to voice your opinion

[AgentAxeman 189]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

 

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

 

I think in the final analysis France is correct.

 

 

I agree

Despite you starting the thread it's took 31 pages and someone else to say it 1st for you to voice your opinion

 

 

tbf alex, a lot of pages were taken up with direct attacks at LM and his defence. also, i think it pretty much showed my opinion that not only did i post the op i then added the follow on when it was lagging a bit.

 

just cos i didnt say it 1st doesnt make me a loser here.

 

(btw, i agree with LM about life experience. much better to have something thats been proven workable than a theory from a book)

 

[NJS 4411]

(btw, i agree with LM about life experience. much better to have something thats been proven workable than a theory from a book)

 

Absolutely fair comment if you're willing to explain the what, how and why of said experience - otherwise to simply mock knowledge is a bid daft.

[LeazesMag 0]

I like it how Stevie finds the newest most stupid comment posted on the internet nearly every other day.

 

I do also think that Leazes would make a good Taliban with his radical views on civil liberties, education and intellectualism.

 

 

as I said, you have to accept responsibilities and disciplines in life. Absolutely nothing to do with what you have just said above.

 

Nobody should be allowed to heckle troops fighting for the British flag on British soil who have loyalties on the other side, if they do then they are cowardly cunts and should put a uniform on and fight them out in the open.

 

Maybe the troops "civil liberties" ought to enable them to shoot them in retaliation or is that different

[LeazesMag 0]

So, Leazes's response to my well-reasoned and logical posts was "you're a yank, fuck off." Brilliant Your response to try to prove you aren't just a bitter, uneducated xenophobe with an inexplicable grudge against anyone not English is "well you're not from my country so nothing you say could possibly be accurate." Jog on you old loon

 

Listen to you you sad old man. "Those who support Muslims" "those with Muslim sympathies" etc etc. Haven't you got that not all of us are bombers yet? Or is that what your "vast life experience" has shown you? If so, I wonder what you were doing experiencing terrorist training camps, since that's the only place on Earth you could've "experienced" the nonsense you're spouting. What does that say for your sympathies? Get used to us Leazes, we're here to stay.

 

As for spelling, well, when you live and work here, went to school here, lost points for using the "wrong" spelling of words, you learn to adapt. So I see your "born and bred" comment Stevie and I won't dispute the "bred" part. We are what we are.

 

your insults do you no favours. As I said, you know nothing about me and aren't going to find out. My views are based on life experience and not by reading a book by an out of touch "intellectual"

 

Have you ever actually met a Muslim? Even one?

 

I'd say my experience of Muslims, Islam and Islamic society trumps yours, Leazes, by virtue of me being one and working, living, playing and just generally associating with probably thousands of them over my lifetime. I didn't need any books, "intellectual" or otherwise, to tell me your ridiculous views on an entire society of people are wrong. So unless you're about to tell me you're actually an Islamic scholar and world traveller (two l's just for you!) whose theories are backed by years of research and proof, I'm holding to the view of "you don't know what you're talking about."

 

Getting back to the OP, the ironic thing is that I don't even support burqas or really anything but the simplest of hijab. The burqa isn't part of Islam - in fact, and many people don't know this, when Muslims make the pilgrimage to Mecca, completing the most significant event in the religion, they are expressly forbidden to have their faces covered. Burqas and other restrictive coverings are born of two things that feed off each other - the remnants of tribal culture and civilisation, and the radicalisation of areas that still hold to those views. The reasoning goes "well, if Muslim women are meant to have their heads covered, and that's sunna (permitted and encouraged), then covering more of them must be even more sunna." Places like those have assigned low value to women for thousands of years, well before the advent of Islam, which changed little. I'm thoroughly against that kind of enslavement of women as most sensible people are.

 

The trouble is that some honestly do choose - whether due to pressures familial or cultural, or a misguided desire to adhere to their religion faithfully - to wear such things, and I don't feel it's the state's right to dictate whether they can or not. And I also feel that if it were, let's say, Hindus or Jews that had to wear facial coverings as part of their religion rather than Muslims, then we wouldn't hear a word against it.

Victims, singled out, wrong done to, unjustified intimidation, systematic persecution. All words and phrases used to describe scousers down the years, which quite clearly are also applicable for muslims too.

 

You mention the fact if this were jews wearing the burqa nothing would be said. Forgetting about the holocaust all together, jewish people have been the most abused down trodden group mankind has ever known from biblical times onward, and a large reason for this is jealousy. There's 13m jews worldwide, there has never been a group of people who have been better at making money, that's why Hitler hated them so much. Most of the foundations of the world banking system have jewish roots. They are hated by many, a very small group of 13m people in a world of 6 billion, don't ever think muslims have had it harder than them. Jewish people don't go blowing themselves up, they don't go flying planes in to buildings, they don't have elements that want to emigrate to countries dictating their laws should be administered by the alien country (to them). Fucking muslims, you couldn't make the arrogance of them up.

 

Expect the truth of that to go totally over the heads of the brainwashed do gooder muslim sympathisers

[LeazesMag 0]

It's odd. I've always felt the moderate, liberal folk to be the ones who mre readily accept the scope and scale of the world's problems and don't try to simplify it with a "just go home darkie" response. But if Leazes amassed life experience tells him that all these scholars, all these great minds are wrong, then by golly I'll change my ways and instead be intolerant, lack plurality, be reactionary and pointedly ignorant. Afterall we're in the right, right?

 

the muslims are the intolerant fuckers HF

[Guest alex]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

Hindu/Sikh integration as against Muslim integration in say Birmingham (where I lived for a spell) is a case in point.

 

These would be the same Sikhs that cause a street riot outside a Birmingham theater because it was playing something they didn't like? Cracking example of harmonious integration that.

 

Isolated incident tbf. The Sikhs have a long and harmounious record in the area apart from the fact that to a man they support Villa.

 

I agree that muslims have specific problems regarding integration. But also it is true that it can occur with any faith group. Which is one reason why I am such a staunch defender of secularism and believe France are right to make a stand against extreme religions that result in the wearing of the burqa.

 

I think in the final analysis France is correct.

 

 

I agree

Despite you starting the thread it's took 31 pages and someone else to say it 1st for you to voice your opinion

 

 

tbf alex, a lot of pages were taken up with direct attacks at LM and his defence. also, i think it pretty much showed my opinion that not only did i post the op i then added the follow on when it was lagging a bit.

 

just cos i didnt say it 1st doesnt make me a loser here.

 

(btw, i agree with LM about life experience. much better to have something thats been proven workable than a theory from a book)

 

It was obvious to me what your view was. Just says it all that someone else had to say it 1st before you actually gave it.

[LeazesMag 0]

I think that Jews provide good "input" into a debate on multicultarism. I've always recognised their persecution in history but have always felt that they "asked for" (please don't think I'm justifying pogroms and holocausts for a second) some of it in the sense that they have always been very non-integrational which sets them up for prejudice.

 

I think that is mirrored in the UK with the way Southern Asian Muslims have isolated themselves too much in places like Blackburn and Bradford. The kind of multicultarism that I'd promote would be the kind demonstrated by other groups like the Chinese, Hindus and West Indians (forgetting the gang culture for the sake of the argument) who are all proud of their culture but have embraced elements of British culture as well as adding their own to it.

 

I would say immigration has added to "British culture" rather than replaced it - I think use of the word "dilution" is also wrong.

 

I see a light turning on here.

[The Fish 10963]

It's odd. I've always felt the moderate, liberal folk to be the ones who mre readily accept the scope and scale of the world's problems and don't try to simplify it with a "just go home darkie" response. But if Leazes amassed life experience tells him that all these scholars, all these great minds are wrong, then by golly I'll change my ways and instead be intolerant, lack plurality, be reactionary and pointedly ignorant. Afterall we're in the right, right?

 

the muslims are the intolerant fuckers HF

So let me get this straight all Muslims are intolerant and you're not.

People who've studied know nothing.

Life experience is the only source of information

Freedom of speech stops when somebody says somethingthat you don't like

Doing good is a code for being a ignorant, idiotic and a cunt

If anyone disagrees with you they're naive and don't know what they talking about, even if that've based their opinions on the much vaunted life experience?

 

You're a cartoon.

[Guest Stevie]

It's odd. I've always felt the moderate, liberal folk to be the ones who mre readily accept the scope and scale of the world's problems and don't try to simplify it with a "just go home darkie" response. But if Leazes amassed life experience tells him that all these scholars, all these great minds are wrong, then by golly I'll change my ways and instead be intolerant, lack plurality, be reactionary and pointedly ignorant. Afterall we're in the right, right?

 

the muslims are the intolerant fuckers HF

So let me get this straight all Muslims are intolerant and you're not.

People who've studied know nothing.

Life experience is the only source of information

Freedom of speech stops when somebody says somethingthat you don't like

Doing good is a code for being a ignorant, idiotic and a cunt

If anyone disagrees with you they're naive and don't know what they talking about, even if that've based their opinions on the much vaunted life experience?

 

You're a cartoon.

To be fair you look like a cartoon with that bald napa.