Deano 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. I hear what your saying alex mate but i disagree... I think some of our players namely Nolan, Smith and Coloccini amongst others were suffering from a cripplingly low level of confidence and i think they as well of others will benefit greatly from this season. I could be totally wrong after all its just my opinion. Also i think we will end up bringin Simpson in on a permanent deal. Harper Simpson---Taylor---*Kilgannon---Enrique Kightly---Nolan---Smith---*Gutierrez Carroll---Shola I think that starting 11 would stay up....but its the squad that needs bolstering with able backups....Butt, Geremi, Lovenkrands wont cut it. *If we get him...if not then id hope that Coloccini can build on this season *Again i hope he can buil on this season, his running and energy are animportant weapon even if his final ball it gash....that said id be looking to get Joe Ledley as 1st choice Michael Kightly would be my number one target in the close season, quick, can beat his man and got a decent delivery on him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. This... I can't see us being in anything but another bottom 6-7 scrap again next season if we go up, I don't have any hope in the club being sold or any sort of meaningful investment. I think were just in for another year of drama and everything else The Sun loves to print. I'd actually take that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4436 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 ^ that team would score about 3 goals all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. I hear what your saying alex mate but i disagree... I think some of our players namely Nolan, Smith and Coloccini amongst others were suffering from a cripplingly low level of confidence and i think they as well of others will benefit greatly from this season. I could be totally wrong after all its just my opinion. Also i think we will end up bringin Simpson in on a permanent deal. Harper Simpson---Taylor---*Kilgannon---Enrique Kightly---Nolan---Smith---*Gutierrez Carroll---Shola I think that starting 11 would stay up....but its the squad that needs bolstering with able backups....Butt, Geremi, Lovenkrands wont cut it. *If we get him...if not then id hope that Coloccini can build on this season *Again i hope he can buil on this season, his running and energy are animportant weapon even if his final ball it gash....that said id be looking to get Joe Ledley as 1st choice Michael Kightly would be my number one target in the close season, quick, can beat his man and got a decent delivery on him too. That's a fucking shite first XI though in all honesty and it includes a player we have on load and two we haven't signed. It would either go down or just stay up. That's ignoring the fact that there's no cover. Edited November 27, 2009 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. This... I can't see us being in anything but another bottom 6-7 scrap again next season if we go up, I don't have any hope in the club being sold or any sort of meaningful investment. I think were just in for another year of drama and everything else The Sun loves to print. I'd actually take that as well. Exactly...no matter what is spent or not spent anyone expecting otherwise deserves the "delusional" tag some get. A scrap next season at best is what we can expect, its all about us being able for that scrap...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. This... I can't see us being in anything but another bottom 6-7 scrap again next season if we go up, I don't have any hope in the club being sold or any sort of meaningful investment. I think were just in for another year of drama and everything else The Sun loves to print. I'd actually take that as well. Exactly...no matter what is spent or not spent anyone expecting otherwise deserves the "delusional" tag some get. A scrap next season at best is what we can expect, its all about us being able for that scrap...... So how have we got an ok squad then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. I hear what your saying alex mate but i disagree... I think some of our players namely Nolan, Smith and Coloccini amongst others were suffering from a cripplingly low level of confidence and i think they as well of others will benefit greatly from this season. I could be totally wrong after all its just my opinion. Also i think we will end up bringin Simpson in on a permanent deal. Harper Simpson---Taylor---*Kilgannon---Enrique Kightly---Nolan---Smith---*Gutierrez Carroll---Shola I think that starting 11 would stay up....but its the squad that needs bolstering with able backups....Butt, Geremi, Lovenkrands wont cut it. *If we get him...if not then id hope that Coloccini can build on this season *Again i hope he can buil on this season, his running and energy are animportant weapon even if his final ball it gash....that said id be looking to get Joe Ledley as 1st choice Michael Kightly would be my number one target in the close season, quick, can beat his man and got a decent delivery on him too. That's a fucking shite first XI though in all honesty and it includes a player we have on load and two we haven't signed. It would either go down or just stay up. That's ignoring the fact that there's no cover. Alex what are you expecting mate? We have been relegated and our squad decimated....an owner with no money so what else can you expect? Im talkin about a team being good enough to stay up....not top half....stay up....a scrap.....no that side isnt great but its all we could hope for at best ffs EDIT: As for the squad alex i merely ment we have a basis to build on it is ok....and it is one who could scrap and stay up next season with a few shrewed additions Edited November 27, 2009 by Geordie Lad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. I hear what your saying alex mate but i disagree... I think some of our players namely Nolan, Smith and Coloccini amongst others were suffering from a cripplingly low level of confidence and i think they as well of others will benefit greatly from this season. I could be totally wrong after all its just my opinion. Also i think we will end up bringin Simpson in on a permanent deal. Harper Simpson---Taylor---*Kilgannon---Enrique Kightly---Nolan---Smith---*Gutierrez Carroll---Shola I think that starting 11 would stay up....but its the squad that needs bolstering with able backups....Butt, Geremi, Lovenkrands wont cut it. *If we get him...if not then id hope that Coloccini can build on this season *Again i hope he can buil on this season, his running and energy are animportant weapon even if his final ball it gash....that said id be looking to get Joe Ledley as 1st choice Michael Kightly would be my number one target in the close season, quick, can beat his man and got a decent delivery on him too. That's a fucking shite first XI though in all honesty and it includes a player we have on load and two we haven't signed. It would either go down or just stay up. That's ignoring the fact that there's no cover. Alex what are you expecting mate? We have been relegated and our squad decimated....an owner with no money so what else can you expect? Im talkin about a team being good enough to stay up....not top half....stay up....a scrap.....no that side isnt great but its all we could hope for at best ffs I'm not expecting anything, you're the one saying that's a side that would stay up though. I don't think it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Harpers old and won't get better, he still makes the same mistakes. Has he made a mistake all season? All I've seen is a very accomplished goalkeeper who has been more than a little responsible for having the 3rd best defence in English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Btw, even if Shola was any good in the PL, when was the last time he had anything like an injury-free season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nolan's shite in the PL though. He hasn't even functioned well in his preferred role at the point of midfield 3 in the top flight for a few years now. That position is a luxury whereby you have to be a canny bit better than he is to justify it. Simpson's unproven in the top flight and he's only on loan anyway. Smith hasn't had a good game in the PL since he arrived. Harper shit his pants when he got the number 1 spot. Carroll's another one who is a bit of an unknown quantity in the PL and he certainly need someone mobile alongside him even if he were to develop into a decent player in that division. Guitierrez hasn't even shone in this division particularly. Colo is an alright sweeper but falls into a similar category to Nolan in that you have to be something special to justify that role. I like Enrique, as I've said. Taylor did quite well in the 2nd half of last season but that was at RB where he often had no one to mark and he still has a lot to prove in the middle of the park for me. And they're our better players. That squad doesn't need building upon, you'd virtually have to start from scratch in terms of a first XI. I hear what your saying alex mate but i disagree... I think some of our players namely Nolan, Smith and Coloccini amongst others were suffering from a cripplingly low level of confidence and i think they as well of others will benefit greatly from this season. I could be totally wrong after all its just my opinion. Also i think we will end up bringin Simpson in on a permanent deal. Harper Simpson---Taylor---*Kilgannon---Enrique Kightly---Nolan---Smith---*Gutierrez Carroll---Shola I think that starting 11 would stay up....but its the squad that needs bolstering with able backups....Butt, Geremi, Lovenkrands wont cut it. *If we get him...if not then id hope that Coloccini can build on this season *Again i hope he can buil on this season, his running and energy are animportant weapon even if his final ball it gash....that said id be looking to get Joe Ledley as 1st choice Michael Kightly would be my number one target in the close season, quick, can beat his man and got a decent delivery on him too. That's a fucking shite first XI though in all honesty and it includes a player we have on load and two we haven't signed. It would either go down or just stay up. That's ignoring the fact that there's no cover. Alex what are you expecting mate? We have been relegated and our squad decimated....an owner with no money so what else can you expect? Im talkin about a team being good enough to stay up....not top half....stay up....a scrap.....no that side isnt great but its all we could hope for at best ffs I'm not expecting anything, you're the one saying that's a side that would stay up though. I don't think it would. That side would be relegated by late February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Btw, even if Shola was any good in the PL, when was the last time he had anything like an injury-free season? Fuck me, I hadn't even realised Shola was in the side. I change my mind, relegation by early February. And I am literally his biggest fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6859 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Harpers old and won't get better, he still makes the same mistakes. Has he made a mistake all season? All I've seen is a very accomplished goalkeeper who has been more than a little responsible for having the 3rd best defence in English football. I agree. There is no point in putting Krul in now. We have a solid 5 at the back (including the GK obviously). No need to change anything. Promotion is our aim, not blooding some young erratic goalkeeper in hope that *might* be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7717 Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 As much as I've been impressed by Enrique and Colo they were routinely found out in the PL. The same can be said of Smith and Nolan, the rest aren't good enough. Whilst Colocini was constantly found out the same is not true for Enrique. He took a little while to settle, however even during that period he was defensively quite good. Thereafter he grew defensively. He did occassionally turn the ball over playing long balls, but I'd argue that a large part of that was down to not having any options to pass to. So Enrique is definitely PL quality. Nolan is as well. He was for several years before falling off the wagon at Bolton. Danny Simpson would be fine in the premier league, but it remains to be seen whether he will be signed permanently. Smith could be ok in the premier league with someone creative alongside him, certainly better than Butt was for us last season. Carroll s developing nicely, but I wouldn't say that he's pl quality yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7260 Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Taylor and Enrique are PL top half players. So far the other have done nothing to show me they are anything other than Championship players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7717 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 The biggest thing lacking from our side at the moment is pace. Watching some of the top half sides (Tottenham and Villa) they have players with natural pace (even on the ball). The players who are physically pacey are mentally quick and work well together. I also watched some of the mid to lower sides (Blackburn vs fulham) and there's not a huge difference between us and them. Sure there is some investment required, but I've said it before - any team coming coming up would be happy to have our squad as a basis to work from. The same naysayers who predicted we would be midtable in the championship think we will be cert's for delegation if we go up. Sure there is a huge gulf in quality between the championship and the majority of the premier league, but there's half a dozen sides that we'd be better than with just the smallest amount of investment. Whether or not we see that investment remains to be seen. We still would be a considerable draw card over many of the other sides in the premier league, so getting some decent players in should not be that hard a task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Don't remember you saying we'd be top at this stage mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Taylor and Enrique are PL top half players. So far the other have done nothing to show me they are anything other than Championship players absolute shite on the Taylor and Enrique thing. neither of them are good enough for the mid table sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Taylor and Enrique are PL top half players. So far the other have done nothing to show me they are anything other than Championship players absolute shite on the Taylor and Enrique thing. neither of them are good enough for the mid table sides. Enrique quite easily is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Castell 0 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Just one note of caution. Simpson is not PL standard. He was on loan with us and was crap, properly crap. We even had the rather hapless Andrews ahead of him at right back. Anyway, who cares about the 'dangers' of promotion, get yourselves back up here, then revel in the fact you have returned to the top table. The squad will evolve and change, and who knows what will happen. You have a better squad than Burnley, and they're doing OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Without a new owner I can't see us staying up in the PL. Neither the present squad nor manager is good enough in my opinion to keep us up. Add to that the slapstick antics and penny pinching of the clowns in charge and we've had it before we kick a ball in anger imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Mobility AND Pace....If you ain't got it you're fucked in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Taylor and Enrique are PL top half players. So far the other have done nothing to show me they are anything other than Championship players absolute shite on the Taylor and Enrique thing. neither of them are good enough for the mid table sides. Enrique quite easily is. Indeed. Enrique is a very good player. Saylor on the other hand still doesn't blow me away. Coloccini has done a better job than him this season in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cid_MCDP 0 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Well, as long as... 1) CCC teams are so far below PL teams in terms of pace and just overall quality 2) We're stuck with TFC Ashley as the owner There isn't a whole lot we can really do about it. Obviously I haven't been watching as long as you lot, but probably the biggest difference I see between this year's squad and last year's is attitude. Seems like last season we were out of the game long before we'd actually lost- heads down and all that. I can't remember how many times I'd see our players half-heartedly go after a loose ball or start to let up while going after a ball only to be beaten to it by an opposing player. This year, it seems as though (at least in the matches I've seen) we play for the full 90. Truth is, this team isn't as talented quality-wise than last seasons, but a lot of the reason we went down was the team not playing. I saw a couple of our matches on replay and if you watch the team that tied Man United in the first game of 08-09 or tied Chelsea in the match last November then watch any of those games late in the season there you don't believe it's the same team. To a certain extent, it's not (no Shay, etc.), but the vast majority of the team just doesn't seem to give a fuck at all those last 5 or 10 games. We definitely could have stayed up last season had the XI wanted to be arsed to do it. Will we be a top 4 squad with this lineup assuming the current trend continues and we get promoted? Course not. But honestly though, warts and all, how much worse is this team than Bolton or Wigan or Blackburn or any of the other definitely NOT top 4 sides? FFS, Sunderland and Stoke are in the top half! Birmingham is 11 and Burnley 12th- is our side really much worse than those clubs? Edited November 30, 2009 by Cid_MCDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 This season we're playing as a team - but that's easy when the results go your way - the real danger is going up and thinking this squad can compete in the PL. I reckon we'd get a real hiding from anyone in the top half and then the spirit disappears and we're struggling again Lets concentrate on getting up but some serious money is going to be needed in 2010 if we are to survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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