ChezGiven 0 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Interesting reading back over this after the revelations from East Anglia and further afield. The focus of debate is the fact that Exxon gave some research group 23m to do research. There wasnt much elaboration on what the research said, or how impactful it was (i'm going to guess low since 23m is a fucking tiny research budget), just the wistful implication of vested interest. Yet the story about the academics wasnt just an implied 'vested interest', it was a blatant transgression of scientific standards and a direct covering up of research results. You see the funny side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Some Scientist a few weeks back said yes there is climate change but we cant do anything about it. Cant remeber now and cant seem to find a source Not read it yet but apparently the final chapter of Steven Levitt's new book is on simple solutions to climate change. Been criticised quite heavily but i think he may have written it like that to wind up those sort of scientists you are referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@yourservice 67 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Pole shift tbh, nowt to do with us hold on tight for a fast one. Pole shift is a rare phenomenon and characterized by the north and the south poles swapping places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13863 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Pole shift tbh, nowt to do with us hold on tight for a fast one. Pole shift is a rare phenomenon and characterized by the north and the south poles swapping places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Good job I bought that halogen heater then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Pole shift tbh, nowt to do with us hold on tight for a fast one. Pole shift is a rare phenomenon and characterized by the north and the south poles swapping places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Good job I bought that halogen heater then. It will defo play havoc with yer compass and the GPS guys will have to reprogram - but otherwise the main effect will be on birds - some of them navigate using the magnetic field It might also affect the Van Allen belts and allow more UV through........................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The thread is getting warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@yourservice 67 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The thread is getting warmer. 2012 and planet alignment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21621 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Anyone read 'The skeptical Environmentalist' by Bjorn Lomberg? I haven't but he was on Newsnight the other day and presented a canny good case that although warming is a problem, other things really need to take precedence (for example energy conservation, prevention of mass starvation). That seems to pretty much back my ideas up so worth a cherry picked punt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooner 243 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Pole shift tbh, nowt to do with us hold on tight for a fast one. Pole shift is a rare phenomenon and characterized by the north and the south poles swapping places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Good job I bought that halogen heater then. It will defo play havoc with yer compass and the GPS guys will have to reprogram - but otherwise the main effect will be on birds - some of them navigate using the magnetic field It might also affect the Van Allen belts and allow more UV through........................... I've heard it can prompt massive tectonic shifts as well given the large amount of various ore's in the earths crust...looking for the article now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21621 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Pole shift tbh, nowt to do with us hold on tight for a fast one. Pole shift is a rare phenomenon and characterized by the north and the south poles swapping places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Good job I bought that halogen heater then. It will defo play havoc with yer compass and the GPS guys will have to reprogram - but otherwise the main effect will be on birds - some of them navigate using the magnetic field It might also affect the Van Allen belts and allow more UV through........................... I've heard it can prompt massive tectonic shifts as well given the large amount of various ore's in the earths crust...looking for the article now. I saw this theory in a documentary recently as well. Frankly it sounded like utter bollocks - how can the North and South pole transpose themselves in a matter of centuries without giving daily earthquakes of 10,000 on the Richter scale? The evidence seemed to consist of a few rocks with a slightly misaligned magnetic field in Australia iirc, hardly convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Anyone read 'The skeptical Environmentalist' by Bjorn Lomberg? I haven't but he was on Newsnight the other day and presented a canny good case that although warming is a problem, other things really need to take precedence (for example energy conservation, prevention of mass starvation). That seems to pretty much back my ideas up so worth a cherry picked punt? For me water and oil are far more pressing issues. We really are going to run out of oil very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) Pole shift tbh, nowt to do with us hold on tight for a fast one. Pole shift is a rare phenomenon and characterized by the north and the south poles swapping places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Good job I bought that halogen heater then. It will defo play havoc with yer compass and the GPS guys will have to reprogram - but otherwise the main effect will be on birds - some of them navigate using the magnetic field It might also affect the Van Allen belts and allow more UV through........................... I've heard it can prompt massive tectonic shifts as well given the large amount of various ore's in the earths crust...looking for the article now. I saw this theory in a documentary recently as well. Frankly it sounded like utter bollocks - how can the North and South pole transpose themselves in a matter of centuries without giving daily earthquakes of 10,000 on the Richter scale? The evidence seemed to consist of a few rocks with a slightly misaligned magnetic field in Australia iirc, hardly convincing. Geomagnetic shifts are well documented and are one of the main pieces of evidence for plate tectonics - they act like tree rings on a geological scale Most of the initial work was done at Durham and Newcastle Uni's back in the late 50's to the mid 70's Edited December 24, 2009 by Rob W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Pole shift tbh, nowt to do with us hold on tight for a fast one. Pole shift is a rare phenomenon and characterized by the north and the south poles swapping places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Good job I bought that halogen heater then. It will defo play havoc with yer compass and the GPS guys will have to reprogram - but otherwise the main effect will be on birds - some of them navigate using the magnetic field It might also affect the Van Allen belts and allow more UV through........................... I've heard it can prompt massive tectonic shifts as well given the large amount of various ore's in the earths crust...looking for the article now. it is utter bollocks - tectonic plates move at an average of 2cm a year - a bit of geomagnetic shift ain't going to move them any faster..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Anyone read 'The skeptical Environmentalist' by Bjorn Lomberg? I haven't but he was on Newsnight the other day and presented a canny good case that although warming is a problem, other things really need to take precedence (for example energy conservation, prevention of mass starvation). That seems to pretty much back my ideas up so worth a cherry picked punt? Howay man, do you think anyone in this thread has read anything on the background regarding the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21621 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Anyone read 'The skeptical Environmentalist' by Bjorn Lomberg? I haven't but he was on Newsnight the other day and presented a canny good case that although warming is a problem, other things really need to take precedence (for example energy conservation, prevention of mass starvation). That seems to pretty much back my ideas up so worth a cherry picked punt? Howay man, do you think anyone in this thread has read anything on the background regarding the subject? I feel the need to read a book written by a maverick Scandinavian scientist before I can comfortably evangelise on the subject! Btw, is anyone going to the Trent tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Anyone read 'The skeptical Environmentalist' by Bjorn Lomberg? I haven't but he was on Newsnight the other day and presented a canny good case that although warming is a problem, other things really need to take precedence (for example energy conservation, prevention of mass starvation). That seems to pretty much back my ideas up so worth a cherry picked punt? Howay man, do you think anyone in this thread has read anything on the background regarding the subject? why change the habits of a lifetime??? :icon_lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Anyone read 'The skeptical Environmentalist' by Bjorn Lomberg? I haven't but he was on Newsnight the other day and presented a canny good case that although warming is a problem, other things really need to take precedence (for example energy conservation, prevention of mass starvation). That seems to pretty much back my ideas up so worth a cherry picked punt? Howay man, do you think anyone in this thread has read anything on the background regarding the subject? why change the habits of a lifetime??? :icon_lol: Well it is a bit late for that at your age I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13863 Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Anyone read 'The skeptical Environmentalist' by Bjorn Lomberg? I haven't but he was on Newsnight the other day and presented a canny good case that although warming is a problem, other things really need to take precedence (for example energy conservation, prevention of mass starvation). That seems to pretty much back my ideas up so worth a cherry picked punt? Howay man, do you think anyone in this thread has read anything on the background regarding the subject? why change the habits of a lifetime??? :icon_lol: Well it is a bit late for that at your age I suppose. Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Siva, it's water off a ducks back - as one of the aged (prematurely aged by spending too much time at SJP TBH) I make up for the loss of the elixir of youth by having a brian half the size of a planet and a lifetime of valuable insights etc etc etc also an occasional smug moment when I can see where some of our younger brethren are about to be wised up in a painful manner (eg buying a hot hatch and then asking about cheap insurance.............) Edited January 1, 2010 by Rob W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I feel sorry for Brian like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 mock the afflicted would you! No promotion to the Jedi Council for you this decade young shaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42428 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Off out with the Chimp for her first time sledging at Rising Sun. Global warming my arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Might global warning be a myth? there is a small chance that is correct. Might Global warming be a correct hypothesis? There is a chance that this might be correct. When faced with two polarised options surely it is only intelligent to side with the cautious argument and do what we can to inhibit our impact on the planets atmosphere. To do otherwise to me sounds beyond moronic and so selfish as to be incomprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Might global warning be a myth? there is a small chance that is correct. Might Global warming be a correct hypothesis? There is a chance that this might be correct. When faced with two polarised options surely it is only intelligent to side with the cautious argument and do what we can to inhibit our impact on the planets atmosphere. To do otherwise to me sounds beyond moronic and so selfish as to be incomprehensible. the logical thing to do is to look at outcomes & costs I agree its crazy to go overboard but cutting emissions would not only modify the effects of warming but also cut down on smog, respiratory diseases etc as well as force a more efficient use of resources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44864 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I got a book about global warming for Christmas. Think the author is called Booker. Will come and argue in this thread when I've read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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