zerosum 234 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 end of the day world population is too high, and is exponentially growing. Going to take some miracle to stop what’s coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: No but banning combustion engines might. Which most countries have now done over the next 20 years Targeting the wrong industry if Cowspiracy is to be believed. The illusion of doing something whilst the real problems rumble on, that's why we won't be reversing global warming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerosum 234 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 We’re the bacteria the earth will try fight off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, TheGingerQuiff said: Targeting the wrong industry if Cowspiracy is to be believed. The illusion of doing something whilst the real problems rumble on, that's why we won't be reversing global warming Aah, so you've watched a Netflix documentary and now you're an expert. Are you sure you aren't related to CT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, Kid Dynamite said: Aah, so you've watched a Netflix documentary and now you're an expert. Are you sure you aren't related to CT? You still got an electric car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Food labelling could be the way. If we all saw the extent to the c02 emissions on each item of food we buy, consumers might think more carefully about how much animal produce they go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Food labelling could be the way. If we all saw the extent to the c02 emissions on each item of food we buy, consumers might think more carefully about how much animal produce they go through. Is that going to work for the millions of impoverished people or will they only care about getting something to eat at all? Targeting a small group of people with a social conscience that have enough money to act upon it isn't going to make much difference Edited October 13, 2018 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 A plant-based diet is way more affordable than buying meat every week, surely? It takes a little more effort to prepare perhaps, but it has to be cheaper. At least food labelling would allow consumers to make an informed choice. And yeah, if might take an educated, middle class movement to get things rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: A plant-based diet is way more affordable than buying meat every week, surely? It takes a little more effort to prepare perhaps, but it has to be cheaper. At least food labelling would allow consumers to make an informed choice. And yeah, if might take an educated, middle class movement to get things rolling. You might be able to make it palatable for a little while with your middle class spice rack but the overwhelming majority will think of a plant based diet as grim. It just isn't going to take off. I'm as concerned as everyone else and even I would sacrifice Holland before I gave up meat. We need realistic solutions and I think expecting the world to give up on meat or even to make drastic cutbacks isn't that attainable. Perhaps focusing on more eco friendly meats is the way forward, but cowspiracy didn't give us that option because it was hardcore vegan propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: You might be able to make it palatable for a little while with your middle class spice rack but the overwhelming majority will think of a plant based diet as grim. It just isn't going to take off. I'm as concerned as everyone else and even I would sacrifice Holland before I gave up meat. We need realistic solutions and I think expecting the world to give up on meat or even to make drastic cutbacks isn't that attainable. Perhaps focusing on more eco friendly meats is the way forward, but cowspiracy didn't give us that option because it was hardcore vegan propaganda. The filmmaker pushed a narrative, I agree, I think calling it propaganda is harsh. Most of the figures quoted are widely accepted. The numbers are out there for all to see. . There was only one stat from the one study that wasn’t peer reviewed that was widely disputed. the film raised awareness around an important issue. Animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than the combined exhaust fumes from all forms of transport. We’ve got to take it seriously. I don’t think the takeaway was we all have to go vegan but we do all have to consumer fewer animal products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9777 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Voting isn’t futile. I do live in a German federal state that was governed by conservatives for ages. It’s also where a vast majority of the major global players of the car industry are based (Mercedes, Porsche, Bosch). Still, its the Green Party that is the ruling party down here nowadays and protecting the environment has become one of the most important political issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Still exporting all those diesels though huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9777 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 15 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said: Still exporting all those diesels though huh? Have to, because they are getting banned here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 My point put into perspective perfectly on the Marr show this morning. Dramatic news earlier in the week that we’ve only got 12 years to act and only one of the Sunday papers covered the news. The observer ran two columns on page 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2967 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I typed in Newcastle upon Tyne. https://choices.climatecentral.org/#12/54.9785/-1.6186?compare=temperatures&carbon-end-yr=2100&scenario-a=warming-4&scenario-b=warming-2 Developed by Climate Central, an independent organisation of leading scientists and journalists, the interactive tool known as Surging Seas allows users to input their hometown and observe the impact a rise in temperature could have on sea levels. Areas marked in blue could be underwater in the event of a 2C rise in temperatures according to Climate Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Industrial scale farming is going to be the thing that destroys the planet, or the creatures that live in it. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/10/plummeting-insect-numbers-threaten-collapse-of-nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42456 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 So, if the insects go, plant life goes. If plant life goes, the vegans are fucked. Pass the DDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 We’re all going to be eating insects in the future so we’re all fucked if they go too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 I post this every few years and, let's be honest, it's still the sensible option. http://vhemt.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Meenzer said: I post this every few years and, let's be honest, it's still the sensible option. http://vhemt.org/ It won’t be voluntary but it’s definitely coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42456 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: We’re all going to be eating insects in the future so we’re all fucked if they go too I think we’re pretty much fucked, insects or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44888 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Agreed climate change is the most important issue of our generation. Maybe of our species, ever. There's just too many fuck nuts on the planet, including one in the White House and a billion CTs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Votes over science. Also see: war on drugs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44888 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just been stood in Waterstones flicking through "The Uninhabitable Earth". Depressing way to spend your lunch hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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