Freed child rapist, 16, detained

[Craig 6702]

A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.

 

The 16-year-old pleaded guilty to charges including rape and child abduction against the boy.

 

Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court heard the attack happened after he was given a community order for the rape of a seven-year-old boy in Tameside.

 

The first sentence, by Judge Adrian Smith, provoked a legal challenge.

 

On Wednesday, the attacker, who cannot be named, was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection for the second attack.

 

He must serve a minimum of three years before being considered for parole.

 

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8354316.stm

 

[Tom 14021]

He must serve a minimum of three years before being considered for parole.

 

Doesn't that mean he has to serve three years before they even think of letting him out? He might never get out. Probably for his own good mind...

[NJS 4446]

Sex offenders like that usually don't make parole from what I've read - it's a notional figure for what is effectively a life sentence though from a complete amateur pov that looks like a mental health case rather than just being scum.

 

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[Craig 6702]

He must serve a minimum of three years before being considered for parole.

 

Doesn't that mean he has to serve three years before they even think of letting him out? He might never get out. Probably for his own good mind...

 

I understand that Tom but surely a longer mandatory custodial term should be applied, particularly as it isn't a first offence and that the victim was a child.

[Tom 14021]

Well I'm not sure as NJS says there's very little chance of him getting out ever. In America they basically brand them insane and never let them out so it may be the same here.

[TheMoog 0]

A quicker and less costly alternative would be to have a zero tolerance ideal and hang these cretins. I don't see the point in having to pay taxes to keep someone locked up when they're that much of a waste of space. These sort of violent crimes being punished in such a way would save the general public a tidy sum I'm sure

 

... I'd love that job by the way, hangman. Awesome.

[Happy Face 29]

Well I'm not sure as NJS says there's very little chance of him getting out ever. In America they basically brand them insane and never let them out so it may be the same here.

 

They're debating it in the Supreme Court right now though, hopefully to put a stop to it....

 

WASHINGTON — A majority of the justices at two Supreme Court arguments on Monday seemed inclined to find a way to take account of the age of young offenders in deciding whether they may be sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

 

But there was disagreement among the justices about where to draw various lines and, indeed, over whether line-drawing or case-by-case determination was the right approach.

 

A lawyer for Joe Sullivan, who was sentenced to life without parole for raping a 72-year-old woman when he was 13, asked the court to say that the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment forbids such sentences for youths under the age of 14 convicted of any crime, including murder.

 

“To say to any child of 13 that you are only fit to die in prison is cruel,” said Bryan Stevenson, Mr. Sullivan’s lawyer. “It can’t be reconciled with what we know about the nature of children.”

 

In a separate argument in a second case, a lawyer for Terrance Graham, sentenced to life for armed burglary at 16 and a probation violation at 17, said the line should be set at 18 but only for crimes that did not involve a killing.

 

The court has drawn bright lines in its capital jurisprudence, forbidding the execution of offenders under 18 in 2005 in Roper v. Simmons and of people of any age for crimes against individuals other than murder last year in Kennedy v. Louisiana. The question at Monday’s arguments was whether the logic of those decisions should be extended to cases outside the area of the death penalty.

 

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. suggested a compromise approach that did not involve categorical distinctions but would instead require consideration of the offender’s age in deciding whether the sentence was proportional to the crime case by case.

 

“We know from Roper that death is different, and we know from Roper that juveniles are different,” the chief justice said. “Wouldn’t it make sense to incorporate the consideration of the juvenile status into the proportionality review?”

 

Outside the context of the death penalty, the court’s Eighth Amendment jurisprudence has not taken the offender’s age into consideration in deciding whether a sentence is proportional to the crime. Requiring sentencing judges to add age to the sentencing calculus would presumably make a difference in some but not all cases.

 

Bryan S. Gowdy, a lawyer for Mr. Graham, said a case-by-case approach at the time of sentencing cannot work because juveniles are still unformed.

 

“At that age we cannot make a determination about whether or not the adolescent will or will not reform,” Mr. Gowdy said.

 

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. seemed to join the chief justice in rejecting what he called a per se approach while remaining open to “proportionality challenges that take into account the particular circumstances of the juvenile in question.”

 

But Justice Alito added that some juvenile offenders deserve life without parole, describing cases “so horrible that I couldn’t have imagined them if I hadn’t actually seen them” — “raping an 8-year-old girl and burying her alive” and “raping a woman in front of her 12-year-old son and then forcing the son to engage in sexual conduct with the mother.”

 

Other justices noted that the law routinely makes distinctions based solely on age. “Think of the teenager who can’t drink, can’t drive, can’t marry,” said Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, adding that those legal lines were not drawn case by case. “They say no juvenile can drink — no juvenile.”

 

Mr. Stevenson said there are nine people serving life without parole sentences for crimes they committed at age 13. No juvenile younger than that is serving such a sentence. Two of the 13-year-olds did not commit murder. In 18 years, Mr. Stevenson said, no 13-year-old has seen sentenced to life without parole for a crime in which no one was killed.

 

Justice Stephen G. Breyer said the words of the Eighth Amendment might justify categorical distinctions, at least for the youngest offenders. “It’s pretty unusual to have this,” he said. And, at least for 13-year-olds, he continued, “it is a cruel thing to do to remove from that individual his entire life.”

 

Scott D. Makar, Florida’s solicitor general, said that was the wrong analysis.

 

“It’s a lawful sentence that can be imposed, but it’s rare,” he said. “And we should be proud of that.”

 

Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito appeared to agree that the rarity of the sentences suggests that the criminal justice system is making discerning rather than arbitrary judgments in reserving the punishment for extreme cases.

 

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, the author of the Roper and Kennedy decisions, both by votes of 5 to 4, said his “initial instinct” was that life without parole was no more effective in deterring crime than life with the possibility of parole.

 

But Justice Antonin Scalia said deterrence was not the only reason for punishment. “One of the purposes is retribution, punishment for just perfectly horrible actions,” he said. “And I don’t know why the value of retribution diminishes to the point of zero when it’s a person who’s, you know, 17 years, 9 months old.”

 

Chief Justice Roberts asked Mr. Stevenson whether the court could rule differently in the two cases before it, Graham v. Florida, No. 08-7412, which involves the older youth, and Sullivan v. Florida, No. 08-7621, which involves the 13-year-old.

 

“It would be conceivable,” Mr. Stevenson said. “It wouldn’t be desirable.”

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us/10scotus.html

[Guest alex]

What a bummer.