AgentAxeman 199 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 Can't read the article as the link doesn't work for me so (assuming of course AA isn't putting a spin on this )but if you jump the Metro you can pay a derisory on the spot fine (£20) then have another 21 days to pay it if you don't have the money on you iirc so it's fair enough if you're taken to court after failing to do that. whatever do you mean? sorry the link doesnt work. is fine for me but the jist of it is Draconian police powers designed to deprive crime barons of luxury lifestyles are being extended to councils, quangos and agencies to use against the public, The Times has learnt. The right to search homes, seize cash, freeze bank accounts and confiscate property will be given to town hall officials and civilian investigators employed by organisations as diverse as Royal Mail, the Rural Payments Agency and Transport for London. The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most powerful tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders. The radical extension of the Proceeds of Crime Act, through a Statutory Instrument which is not debated by parliament, has been condemned by the chairman of the Police Federation. Paul McKeever said that he was shocked to learn that the decision to hand over “intrusive powers” to people who were not police was made without consultation or debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21503 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. OMG!!11 If it's free it will all fall apart!!!1111111one.. The company I work for has just got work with Metronet here to survey the whole underground in London at the cost of £150m, thats the surveying of it, not the works that could come from it. Yes its a 5 year contract however that a substantial cost and as you are aware a lot of it is victorian engineering. We have also got the contract for the NY Subway and thats a cost of $2b. Its not cheap and like Alex said its you or I (tax payers) that pay for it in the end so its not really free. With all due respect 2 billion dollars in the scheme of things is peanuts. Free to use is perhaps a better term, but it don't make keyboard fingers as twitchy as when I say 'free'. For the record water should be 'free' as well. $2b worth for an extension to the subway is still a substantial wad of cash. I know where youre coming from Parky though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The link's working again now. Strange. Seems like another abuse of a law that was brought in for something completely different. Lucky we've got the EU and the Human Rights act I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 199 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 The link's working again now. Strange. Seems like another abuse of a law that was brought in for something completely different. Lucky we've got the EU and the Human Rights act I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The link's working again now. Strange. Seems like another abuse of a law that was brought in for something completely different. Lucky we've got the EU and the Human Rights act I suppose. I know you think I'm taking the piss but it does actually protect the rights of the individual over things like this. Also, what's wrong with recovering assets from people who refuse to pay fines etc.? It's not like they aren't given plenty of opportunity before it gets to that stage. Obviously you'll get the odd mistake but no system is ever going to be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21503 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Im fucking sick of free loading scum bags. Alex is spot on. EU & Human rights fuck right off. Why should some jumped up fucking Mackem get off scott free because they think they are the law onto themselves? My ex bird is a fucking prime example. She got laid off from her job. She lives in her old mans house that he used to rent out. She lives there rent free because she has no job and he wants to look after his daughter. She also gets:- Money towards rent (She has none?!) Free Council tax Dole money Money towards college fees and bus fairs Fuck knows what else. But I know that she isnt actually ACTIVLEY seeking work. I know this because her old man told me and he even said that the best thing would be for the goverment to tell her that if she doesnt get something in a couple of weeks all this should stop. FUCK THE FREE LOADING WANKERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) here here Wyki. Problem with a welfare state is too many people see it as their right to rob the rest of us. If you can't find work after 1 year you are either retrained, employed to do something essential but perhaps undesirable, or shot and fed into a biomass burner which provides heat and energy to a hospital. You decide. Edited November 4, 2009 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Can't read the article as the link doesn't work for me so (assuming of course AA isn't putting a spin on this )but if you jump the Metro you can pay a derisory on the spot fine (£20) then have another 21 days to pay it if you don't have the money on you iirc so it's fair enough if you're taken to court after failing to do that. whatever do you mean? sorry the link doesnt work. is fine for me but the jist of it is Draconian police powers designed to deprive crime barons of luxury lifestyles are being extended to councils, quangos and agencies to use against the public, The Times has learnt. The right to search homes, seize cash, freeze bank accounts and confiscate property will be given to town hall officials and civilian investigators employed by organisations as diverse as Royal Mail, the Rural Payments Agency and Transport for London. The measure, being pushed through by Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, comes into force next week and will deploy some of the most powerful tools available to detectives against fare dodgers, families in arrears with council tax and other minor offenders. The radical extension of the Proceeds of Crime Act, through a Statutory Instrument which is not debated by parliament, has been condemned by the chairman of the Police Federation. Paul McKeever said that he was shocked to learn that the decision to hand over “intrusive powers” to people who were not police was made without consultation or debate. What a complete snooping circus this Govt is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Im fucking sick of free loading scum bags. Alex is spot on. EU & Human rights fuck right off. Why should some jumped up fucking Mackem get off scott free because they think they are the law onto themselves? My ex bird is a fucking prime example. She got laid off from her job. She lives in her old mans house that he used to rent out. She lives there rent free because she has no job and he wants to look after his daughter. She also gets:- Money towards rent (She has none?!) Free Council tax Dole money Money towards college fees and bus fairs Fuck knows what else. But I know that she isnt actually ACTIVLEY seeking work. I know this because her old man told me and he even said that the best thing would be for the goverment to tell her that if she doesnt get something in a couple of weeks all this should stop. FUCK THE FREE LOADING WANKERS Yeah cause she's causing so much damage compared to all the bent city banks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 199 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) The link's working again now. Strange. Seems like another abuse of a law that was brought in for something completely different. Lucky we've got the EU and the Human Rights act I suppose. I know you think I'm taking the piss but it does actually protect the rights of the individual over things like this. Also, what's wrong with recovering assets from people who refuse to pay fines etc.? It's not like they aren't given plenty of opportunity before it gets to that stage. Obviously you'll get the odd mistake but no system is ever going to be perfect. hmmmmmmmm, thats a lovely fantasy you've got going there. but the Human rights act doesnt stop your local council using anti terror laws to look in your bin. this is not a daily mail fantasy, it actually happens. the point i'm making is, no matter what the good intentions are, it wont be long before it'll be corrupted in much the same ways as the aforementioned laws (including the human rights act). Edited November 4, 2009 by AvatarAxeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) here here Wyki. Problem with a welfare state is too many people see it as their right to rob the rest of us. If you can't find work after 1 year you are either retrained, employed to do something essential but perhaps undesirable, or shot and fed into a biomass burner which provides heat and energy to a hospital. You decide. Well if education and training was truly free, people unemployed after a year could retrain. But its financially impossible under uncle capitalism isn't it? You should pay more tax you fucker...what is your basic rate 25%?... Clearly taking too many holidays as well. Edited November 4, 2009 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The link's working again now. Strange. Seems like another abuse of a law that was brought in for something completely different. Lucky we've got the EU and the Human Rights act I suppose. I know you think I'm taking the piss but it does actually protect the rights of the individual over things like this. Also, what's wrong with recovering assets from people who refuse to pay fines etc.? It's not like they aren't given plenty of opportunity before it gets to that stage. Obviously you'll get the odd mistake but no system is ever going to be perfect. hmmmmmmmm, thats a lovely fantasy you've got going there. but the Human rights act doesnt stop your local council using anti terror laws to look in your bin. this is not a daily mail fantasy, it actually happens. the point i'm making is, no matter what the good intentions are, it wont be long before it'll be corrupted in much the same ways as the aforementioned laws (including the human rights act). How about wiring up dustybin with a nice chunk of c5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Over a third of my salary is taken by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Over a third of my salary is taken by the government. Well it's about 45% in Germany and France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 199 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 The link's working again now. Strange. Seems like another abuse of a law that was brought in for something completely different. Lucky we've got the EU and the Human Rights act I suppose. I know you think I'm taking the piss but it does actually protect the rights of the individual over things like this. Also, what's wrong with recovering assets from people who refuse to pay fines etc.? It's not like they aren't given plenty of opportunity before it gets to that stage. Obviously you'll get the odd mistake but no system is ever going to be perfect. hmmmmmmmm, thats a lovely fantasy you've got going there. but the Human rights act doesnt stop your local council using anti terror laws to look in your bin. this is not a daily mail fantasy, it actually happens. the point i'm making is, no matter what the good intentions are, it wont be long before it'll be corrupted in much the same ways as the aforementioned laws (including the human rights act). How about wiring up dustybin with a nice chunk of c5? sometimes you need to come back from uranus before you post Parky!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The link's working again now. Strange. Seems like another abuse of a law that was brought in for something completely different. Lucky we've got the EU and the Human Rights act I suppose. I know you think I'm taking the piss but it does actually protect the rights of the individual over things like this. Also, what's wrong with recovering assets from people who refuse to pay fines etc.? It's not like they aren't given plenty of opportunity before it gets to that stage. Obviously you'll get the odd mistake but no system is ever going to be perfect. hmmmmmmmm, thats a lovely fantasy you've got going there. but the Human rights act doesnt stop your local council using anti terror laws to look in your bin. this is not a daily mail fantasy, it actually happens. the point i'm making is, no matter what the good intentions are, it wont be long before it'll be corrupted in much the same ways as the aforementioned laws (including the human rights act). How about wiring up dustybin with a nice chunk of c5? sometimes you need to come back from uranus before you post Parky!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 199 Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 Over a third of my salary is taken by the government. how the fuck do you manage that?? i thought the tax burden (including stealth taxes) was about 45/50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Over a third of my salary is taken by the government. Well it's about 45% in Germany and France. Are their other taxation systems commensurate with ours? Is life better there? Where does the money go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21503 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Yeah cause she's causing so much damage compared to all the bent city banks... She is just one person and she isnt doing it half as bad as some people you hear about though?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Over a third of my salary is taken by the government. how the fuck do you manage that?? i thought the tax burden (including stealth taxes) was about 45/50% Talking strictly about my payslip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Over a third of my salary is taken by the government. Well it's about 45% in Germany and France. Are their other taxation systems commensurate with ours? Is life better there? Where does the money go? IMO standard of living/quality of life is wildly better in both and healthcare in France is about the best in the world (Chez would have more details). Kindergarten is pretty much free here unless you want a special one or you earn loads. The only thing wrong with Germany is the need for private healthcare, but if you work for a company they pay half of it. Hamburg is a clean, safe city with good food and cheap transport for all, London is a nightmare in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Yeah cause she's causing so much damage compared to all the bent city banks... She is just one person and she isnt doing it half as bad as some people you hear about though?! There is a definite need for Govt to inspire and energise these kinds of people, but when things haven't worked out for some they lose confidence in themselves and have low self-worth etc...Voluntary work should be mandatory once you've been out of work for a year imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15870 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hamburg is a clean, safe city with good food and cheap transport for all, London is a nightmare in comparison. Way to remind me, fuckface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31594 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 There is a definite need for Govt to inspire and energise these kinds of people, but when things haven't worked out for some they lose confidence in themselves and have low self-worth etc. A kick up the arse is what a lot of them need. If their benefits were cut or partly replaced with food stamps we'd see how long some of them were out of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hamburg is a clean, safe city with good food and cheap transport for all, London is a nightmare in comparison. Way to remind me, fuckface. tbf I think he is leaving too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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