AgentAxeman 199 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Bloody Government are trying to shove ANOTHER infringement on Civil Liberties without ANY debate. How do you fancy any jumped-up little toss-pot of a Council Official freezing your Bank Account, searching your house, nicking your prize possessions or sending the Bailiffs in because you forgot to pay your Poll Tax or 'jumped' the Metro? (among other 'minor' offences-whatever they decide they are!) http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6892830.ece If it annoys you as much as it does me, sign the Petition here:- http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ProceedsofCrime/ FIGHT THE POWER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21503 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Good on em. Stop the fucking scrouinging good for nothing shits who make us honest tax payers fucking pay more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 They mights just confiscate some cats though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The amount of times I've 'forgotten' to pay my council tax. Happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31594 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hurrah for strong government! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15870 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The amount of times I've 'forgotten' to pay my council tax. Happens all the time. Just happened to me. I foolishly assumed that, since I was moving house just round the corner and comfortably within the same borough, they'd keep my direct debit going. They didn't. Cue angry letters in red and black type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Can't read the article as the link doesn't work for me so (assuming of course AA isn't putting a spin on this )but if you jump the Metro you can pay a derisory on the spot fine (£20) then have another 21 days to pay it if you don't have the money on you iirc so it's fair enough if you're taken to court after failing to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 It must only be in England that people pay to use the underground...When I lived in Paris most (under 30) would laugh at paying and there are droves here in Hamburg who never pay on the U-Bahn. Just make these services free and remove the ticket barriers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 It must only be in England that people pay to use the underground...When I lived in Paris most (under 30) would laugh at paying and there are droves here in Hamburg who never pay on the U-Bahn. Just make these services free and remove the ticket barriers.... Most of them will probably have a criminal record because of it though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31594 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 It must only be in England that people pay to use the underground...When I lived in Paris most (under 30) would laugh at paying and there are droves here in Hamburg who never pay on the U-Bahn. Just make these services free and remove the ticket barriers.... And who's going to make for the services? Maybe they could get companies to sponsor the stops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21503 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. Well it would obviously come from tax revenue so 'free public transport' is a misnomer anyway. Although the Metro practically is free anyway given the lack of barriers, inspectors and low fines. There's some logic to what is one of Parky all-time favourite subjects like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 It must only be in England that people pay to use the underground...When I lived in Paris most (under 30) would laugh at paying and there are droves here in Hamburg who never pay on the U-Bahn. Just make these services free and remove the ticket barriers.... And who's going to make for the services? Maybe they could get companies to sponsor the stops? See, that's the kind of thinking we should be looking at. To get the public to pay for public transport is silly. Long distance trains fair enough, but in inner cities the green thing to do is make travel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. OMG!!11 If it's free it will all fall apart!!!1111111one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 My guess is the charvas would ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15870 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 It must only be in England that people pay to use the underground...When I lived in Paris most (under 30) would laugh at paying and there are droves here in Hamburg who never pay on the U-Bahn. Just make these services free and remove the ticket barriers.... And who's going to make for the services? Maybe they could get companies to sponsor the stops? They did that with the bus stops in Mainz. Overnight, Höfchen became "Höfchen - Listmann" and Elbestraße was happily announced as "Elbestraße - Kentucky Frait Tschickn". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15870 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. Well it would obviously come from tax revenue so 'free public transport' is a misnomer anyway. Although the Metro practically is free anyway given the lack of barriers, inspectors and low fines. There's some logic to what is one of Parky all-time favourite subjects like. I've never really understood the logic behind the Metro at all. Either pay the money to install Oyster-style barriers throughout, even at street-level stations, or pay the money to employ a shitload of inspectors. Doing neither is just baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Make the underground free at weekends and make driving into cities with your family impossible or so expensive it makes a grown man cry. Make all art galleries that get public money free on Sundays etc...Let the people live and be happy. It's easy this politics lark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15870 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 That's one thing that Britain does do well, free museums/galleries and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. Well it would obviously come from tax revenue so 'free public transport' is a misnomer anyway. Although the Metro practically is free anyway given the lack of barriers, inspectors and low fines. There's some logic to what is one of Parky all-time favourite subjects like. I've never really understood the logic behind the Metro at all. Either pay the money to install Oyster-style barriers throughout, even at street-level stations, or pay the money to employ a shitload of inspectors. Doing neither is just baffling. Same here. You'd think the extra inspectors would pay for themselves anyway given how many people don't pay and it would create jobs too. Or put barriers in. Baffling, like you say. When I used to get the Metro to work they would have a purge at the station every now and again and at a rough guess I'd say about one third didn't pay. I used to work with a lass there who never paid because loads of other people didn't and it was more cost effective just to pay the fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Make the underground free at weekends and make driving into cities with your family impossible or so expensive it makes a grown man cry. Make all art galleries that get public money free on Sundays etc...Let the people live and be happy. It's easy this politics lark. They're free already every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21503 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. OMG!!11 If it's free it will all fall apart!!!1111111one.. The company I work for has just got work with Metronet here to survey the whole underground in London at the cost of £150m, thats the surveying of it, not the works that could come from it. Yes its a 5 year contract however that a substantial cost and as you are aware a lot of it is victorian engineering. We have also got the contract for the NY Subway and thats a cost of $2b. Its not cheap and like Alex said its you or I (tax payers) that pay for it in the end so its not really free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7095 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) In Britain we have the best of both worlds. We pay for it and the taxpayers pay for it too. Danny's a genius. Edited November 4, 2009 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 How would you maintain the lines etc? Its a way of getting cars of the roads though. OMG!!11 If it's free it will all fall apart!!!1111111one.. The company I work for has just got work with Metronet here to survey the whole underground in London at the cost of £150m, thats the surveying of it, not the works that could come from it. Yes its a 5 year contract however that a substantial cost and as you are aware a lot of it is victorian engineering. We have also got the contract for the NY Subway and thats a cost of $2b. Its not cheap and like Alex said its you or I (tax payers) that pay for it in the end so its not really free. With all due respect 2 billion dollars in the scheme of things is peanuts. Free to use is perhaps a better term, but it don't make keyboard fingers as twitchy as when I say 'free'. For the record water should be 'free' as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Make the underground free at weekends and make driving into cities with your family impossible or so expensive it makes a grown man cry. Make all art galleries that get public money free on Sundays etc...Let the people live and be happy. It's easy this politics lark. They're free already every day. Can't wait to get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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