The Guitar Thread

[Gemmill 44848]

Too many muggles itt. 

[Tom 14011]

That was a hypothetical post regarding various vintage pedals, I don’t own any of them. 

Some of my Behringer ones probably £1 or something  

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

The sort of lads that'd buy brand name Viagra #muggles

[Dr Gloom 21915]

17 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

I enjoyed when this @Blastronautkid sauntered into the thread mid-orgasm and told you all that your various expensive pedals were assembled for less than a tenner. More contributions please mate

You have actually been following the chat in this thread? Wow, I'm impressed 

 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

You have actually been following the chat in this thread? Wow, I'm impressed 

 

 

I'm a fender squirell owner, actually. 

[Gemmill 44848]

 

@Tom

 

 

[Tom 14011]

Oooh nice. I like that, it’s a shame it doesn’t do Bluetooth for headphones but that’s being picky as it seems to sound great.

A little bit expensive but it sounds canny mind. Not sure if I want a speaker option too mind 🤔

 

Edit - was Pete pissed there? He’s normally spot on.  

[Blastronaut 1333]

On 14/02/2021 at 19:19, TheGingerQuiff said:

I enjoyed when this @Blastronautkid sauntered into the thread mid-orgasm and told you all that your various expensive pedals were assembled for less than a tenner. More contributions please mate

 

Tbf most of the chat I've seen here is around more modern stuff. Youse would've heard a lot more from me if you were lusting after stuff like the analogman pedals. Nothing wrong with them and he knows his stuff but just rips the utter piss with his prices. £200 quid base price, DC power sockets and a wee LED to tell you whether it's on or off are fucking optional extras at £20 a pop. Then the cunts got the cheek to stamp the name of a 10p transistor on the front to give off the impression that it made with rare and expensive parts. But hey, this stuff is only worth what folk are willing to pay for it.

 

Anyway, rant over. Honestly dunno why I focused all that at Mike "analogman" Piera, he's far from the worst offender. 

 

On 14/02/2021 at 19:18, Tom said:

I bet Gemmill has his heart connected to his Helix Stomp, Blastro is a mad scientist building pedals out of plutonium...

Andrew, well you’re left handed mate.  

Sammy.....I bet Sammy knows a thing or two.

 

Thankfully the helix looks a bit cumbersome to be turned into a pacemaker. Line6 punting medical gear sounds like the start of a Black Mirror episode. "if your Line6 life support machine freezes or glitches, turn it off and remove the power source for 3 three minutes, then reboot while pressing the tap tempo button in time with the hi-hat from Kickstart My Heart by Motley Crue" 

 

[Tom 14011]

5 minutes ago, Blastronaut said:

 

Tbf most of the chat I've seen here is around more modern stuff. Youse would've heard a lot more from me if you were lusting after stuff like the analogman pedals. Nothing wrong with them and he knows his stuff but just rips the utter piss with his prices. £200 quid base price, DC power sockets and a wee LED to tell you whether it's on or off are fucking optional extras at £20 a pop. Then the cunts got the cheek to stamp the name of a 10p transistor on the front to give off the impression that it made with rare and expensive parts. But hey, this stuff is only worth what folk are willing to pay for it.

 

 

 

Did you see the JHS video where he takes you through all the Behringer pedals that are sonically identical to vintage pedals people are paying £300 + for?  

[Blastronaut 1333]

20 minutes ago, Tom said:

Did you see the JHS video where he takes you through all the Behringer pedals that are sonically identical to vintage pedals people are paying £300 + for?  

 

Haven't seen that but I wouldn't doubt it for a second. Can't patent or copyright a schematic so a lot of these big name pedals are literal exact clones of other stuff, no legal issues at all. Behringer have the advantage owning a fuckton of manufacturing plants that make semiconductors and Belton Bricks, so it's no surprise they can massively undercut some of the more respected brand names. I like Josh from what I've seen of him, seems quite happy to admit nothing he sells is new or original and most of this shit was childsplay even back in the 70s.

 

[Tom 14011]

 

Check it out. 
 

Tbh I bought three and I wasn’t bothered about the plastic casing by the time I’d plugged it in & stuck it on the board.

[Gemmill 44848]

Absolutely overjoyed to hear that the pedal that the two corksniffers on That Pedal Show obsess about (the KoT) is basically a pisstake. 

 

The brass neck on these blokes designing them as well. Isn't there like a two year waiting list for the King of Tone? I mean I guess it's understandable, if you can somehow become the builder of something wildly sought after, milk it if you can, but when you hear the stuff Blastronaut is saying you can't help but feel they're ripping the piss out of people. 

 

[Tom 14011]

I spent £350 + on a Zvex Fuzz Factory 7.

Howay then @Blastronaut

Give me your worst  

[Blastronaut 1333]

27 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

Check it out. 
 

Tbh I bought three and I wasn’t bothered about the plastic casing by the time I’d plugged it in & stuck it on the board.

 

I'll give it a watch! Think they own coolaudio who make most of the BB chips you'll find in a lot of reverb and delay pedals. 

15 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Absolutely overjoyed to hear that the pedal that the two corksniffers on That Pedal Show obsess about (the KoT) is basically a pisstake. 

 

The brass neck on these blokes designing them as well. Isn't there like a two year waiting list for the King of Tone? I mean I guess it's understandable, if you can somehow become the builder of something wildly sought after, milk it if you can, but when you hear the stuff Blastronaut is saying you can't help but feel they're ripping the piss out of people. 

 

It's two of their "Prince of tones" stacked in one box, and there's fuck all special about the PoT parts wise (but admittedly it does sound pretty good). Check out the cunts Instagram, he's prancing around playing tennis and flying around dirt tracks most of the time, doesnae even build the pedals himself these days. Two year waiting list is a con, just artificially creating demand. 

[Blastronaut 1333]

47 minutes ago, Tom said:

I spent £350 + on a Zvex Fuzz Factory 7.

Howay then @Blastronaut

Give me your worst  

 

Sorry man, dunno what revisions were made over the years but the most expensive conponents in the earlier versions of the fuzz factory are the control 5 pots, barely 50p each. Under the hood theres basically just three Silicon transistors worth a few pence each. 

 

Cool pedals though and from what I gather Zachary is a decent bloke who'll give you a hefty discount if your names J Mascis. 

 

(quick edit to add:) seems I was wrong, two of the three transistors are old-school germanium rather than silicon. Add £2 to my whatever my previous estimate was.

Edited February 15, 2021 by Blastronaut

[Tom 14011]

Well I do love the sound of it & I suppose I could easily get £350+ second hand. It’s supposed to be ex Russian military vintage transistors or whatever

CC : @TheGingerQuiff

[Blastronaut 1333]

14 minutes ago, Tom said:

Well I do love the sound of it & I suppose I could easily get £350+ second hand. It’s supposed to be ex Russian military vintage transistors or whatever

CC : @TheGingerQuiff

 

I know a few folk who can sort you out with cheap Russian trannys if that's what you're into man. For £350 you might need a 7 seater.

[sammynb 3355]

11 hours ago, Blastronaut said:

Thankfully the helix looks a bit cumbersome to be turned into a pacemaker. 

 

 

Gemmill has one of those also, so best not encourage Quiff's mockery!

 

9 hours ago, Blastronaut said:

 

I know a few folk who can sort you out with cheap Russian trannys if that's what you're into man. For £350 you might need a 7 seater.

 

TBF that's more Quiff's thing than guitars.

 

Best value pedal I've ever bought was made by....Blastronaut.

I'd be happy if I still had all the Boss pedals I had back in the 80s but some cunt nicked them all and years later when I wanted to buy another distortion/feedbacker they have become a bit of a collectors item, ffs, they couldn't give them away when they were first released.

 

11 hours ago, Blastronaut said:

But hey, this stuff is only worth what folk are willing to pay for it.

 

And this is how the world goes round.

 

 

[sammynb 3355]

Do I want to buy this?

 

[Gemmill 44848]

Of course you do. 

[Andrew 4748]

Absolutely 

[Tom 14011]

Go for it  

[Blastronaut 1333]

Clearly had a few too many drinks last night, no offense intended with any of that. 

 

My sober take on those pedals: the King/Prince of Tone is just a modified Bluesbreaker that needlessly uses somewhat hard to source diodes for clipping the signal. If they do sound any different from the ones in the Bluesbreaker it'll be barely perceivable. They do have a very slightly different threshold for clipping the signal but it's barely worth mentioning. My bet is he scored a bunch of them on the cheap and decided to throw them in whatever pedal he was making at the time, nominal change that can be used as marketing buzzwords. 

 

Those Germanium transistors @Tom was talking about will no doubt be legit, for whatever reason Russia kept on producing Germanium semiconductors long after the rest of the world moved on. And to be fair to Zvex and Analogman they can be a total ball-ache to sort through, since they drift off spec as they age and the data sheets are in Cyrillic. They're not all that rare or expensive though. 

[Tom 14011]

The only thing I took exception to was the transphobia, other wise the streets are naturally  dangerous & opinionated for the guitar playing man.  
 

Here’s the full bollocks from Zvex -

https://www.zvex.com/guitar-pedals/fuzz-factory-7-guitar-effects-pedal-rus

Tbh I bought it out of boredom in the first lockdown, it was a stupid amount of money to pay for a pedal but it made me happy & I’d get a decent return on it. 
 

I had a regular fuzz factory a while back which was £100 and I miss it like hell but I’m not sure I can have two FFs on the board.

[Blastronaut 1333]

Ah fuck yeah, was just regurgitating an overused joke in the pedal scene without really stopping to think about how it's a bit offensive. My bad, I'll remove that one from my repertoire. 

 

Hey as far as the pedal goes, it's only a waste of cash if it sucks, and like you say it'll hold its value better than a lot of stuff in the guitar world. Didn't realise this was a 7 knob version so there's something else I was wrong about. Looks pretty cool and with all those options there must be some usable tones in there somewhere. 

 

But yeah that's some serious marketing guff on the Zvex page, but I suppose "featuring £2 worth of ancient parts from the old Soviet Union" doesn't have the same appeal.