More Thatcher than Thatcher

[Renton 21364]

The Tyne tunnel has been charging for decades now despite the almost inevitable mile long queues.

 

Scotalnd has abolished all tolls on its bridges I believe, quite relieved the other day when I crossed the Forth bridge having forgotten to bring any cash.

 

Didn't know that, wasn't the Sky bridge about £15 too?

 

Was canny expensive, it's definitely free now though.

[Kitman 2204]

Without wishing to sound a discordant note, I don't think there's any comparison between Brown and Thatcher. Thatcher was a monster, driven by idealogy and aided by big business. Brown is merely being pragmatic it seems to me because the country's bust and he needs to reduce debt. Of course it would make singing the Red Flag with his comrades a little more awkward, but I think Labour ditched that from their conferences around the time they stopped pretending to be socialists.

 

People comparing Brown to Thatcher clearly didn't experience the 1980s, particularly the North East in the 1980s.

 

Actually, I believe Avatar Axeman did, but he's a stupid twat.

Agree. I very much doubt Brown will polarise people in 20 years to the extent Thatcher still does. I detest the evil old witch and plan to have a party when she breathes her last. I also intend, once the inevitable fuss has died down, to piss on her grave (not joking either).

What boils my piss is hearing Cameron bang on about broken Britain when IMO it is directly the result of his beloved Margaret's destruction of communitys through her vindictive policies.

 

Absolutely. She deliberately set out to destroy the mining and steel industries as a means to break union power. She accomplished her mission but destroyed communities up and down the country that had no purpose once the mines and factories closed down, and have never recovered. I'm guessing Cameron never had to rely on free dinners to survive or pick sea coal off the beach to avoid freezing to death.

[Monkeys Fist 42107]

Without wishing to sound a discordant note, I don't think there's any comparison between Brown and Thatcher. Thatcher was a monster, driven by idealogy and aided by big business. Brown is merely being pragmatic it seems to me because the country's bust and he needs to reduce debt. Of course it would make singing the Red Flag with his comrades a little more awkward, but I think Labour ditched that from their conferences around the time they stopped pretending to be socialists.

 

People comparing Brown to Thatcher clearly didn't experience the 1980s, particularly the North East in the 1980s.

 

Actually, I believe Avatar Axeman did, but he's a stupid twat.

Agree. I very much doubt Brown will polarise people in 20 years to the extent Thatcher still does. I detest the evil old witch and plan to have a party when she breathes her last. I also intend, once the inevitable fuss has died down, to piss on her grave (not joking either).

What boils my piss is hearing Cameron bang on about broken Britain when IMO it is directly the result of his beloved Margaret's destruction of communitys through her vindictive policies.

 

Absolutely. She deliberately set out to destroy the mining and steel industries as a means to break union power. She accomplished her mission but destroyed communities up and down the country that had no purpose once the mines and factories closed down, and have never recovered. I'm guessing Cameron never had to rely on free dinners to survive or pick sea coal off the beach to avoid freezing to death.

I'd thought my days of "taking to the streets" were long gone, but if a State Funeral is held for The Witch, I'll be there, getting arrested.

[Kitman 2204]

Without wishing to sound a discordant note, I don't think there's any comparison between Brown and Thatcher. Thatcher was a monster, driven by idealogy and aided by big business. Brown is merely being pragmatic it seems to me because the country's bust and he needs to reduce debt. Of course it would make singing the Red Flag with his comrades a little more awkward, but I think Labour ditched that from their conferences around the time they stopped pretending to be socialists.

 

People comparing Brown to Thatcher clearly didn't experience the 1980s, particularly the North East in the 1980s.

 

Actually, I believe Avatar Axeman did, but he's a stupid twat.

Agree. I very much doubt Brown will polarise people in 20 years to the extent Thatcher still does. I detest the evil old witch and plan to have a party when she breathes her last. I also intend, once the inevitable fuss has died down, to piss on her grave (not joking either).

What boils my piss is hearing Cameron bang on about broken Britain when IMO it is directly the result of his beloved Margaret's destruction of communitys through her vindictive policies.

 

Absolutely. She deliberately set out to destroy the mining and steel industries as a means to break union power. She accomplished her mission but destroyed communities up and down the country that had no purpose once the mines and factories closed down, and have never recovered. I'm guessing Cameron never had to rely on free dinners to survive or pick sea coal off the beach to avoid freezing to death.

I'd thought my days of "taking to the streets" were long gone, but if a State Funeral is held for The Witch, I'll be there, getting arrested.

 

Aye well I'm sure you wouldn't be alone. There was no middle ground with that woman, you either loved her or hated her. I think she was evil but then I lived through the Tory years.

[Park Life 71]

Without wishing to sound a discordant note, I don't think there's any comparison between Brown and Thatcher. Thatcher was a monster, driven by idealogy and aided by big business. Brown is merely being pragmatic it seems to me because the country's bust and he needs to reduce debt. Of course it would make singing the Red Flag with his comrades a little more awkward, but I think Labour ditched that from their conferences around the time they stopped pretending to be socialists.

 

People comparing Brown to Thatcher clearly didn't experience the 1980s, particularly the North East in the 1980s.

 

Actually, I believe Avatar Axeman did, but he's a stupid twat.

Agree. I very much doubt Brown will polarise people in 20 years to the extent Thatcher still does. I detest the evil old witch and plan to have a party when she breathes her last. I also intend, once the inevitable fuss has died down, to piss on her grave (not joking either).

What boils my piss is hearing Cameron bang on about broken Britain when IMO it is directly the result of his beloved Margaret's destruction of communitys through her vindictive policies.

 

Absolutely. She deliberately set out to destroy the mining and steel industries as a means to break union power. She accomplished her mission but destroyed communities up and down the country that had no purpose once the mines and factories closed down, and have never recovered. I'm guessing Cameron never had to rely on free dinners to survive or pick sea coal off the beach to avoid freezing to death.

I'd thought my days of "taking to the streets" were long gone, but if a State Funeral is held for The Witch, I'll be there, getting arrested.

 

Brown is a proper softie.

[Kitman 2204]

Without wishing to sound a discordant note, I don't think there's any comparison between Brown and Thatcher. Thatcher was a monster, driven by idealogy and aided by big business. Brown is merely being pragmatic it seems to me because the country's bust and he needs to reduce debt. Of course it would make singing the Red Flag with his comrades a little more awkward, but I think Labour ditched that from their conferences around the time they stopped pretending to be socialists.

 

People comparing Brown to Thatcher clearly didn't experience the 1980s, particularly the North East in the 1980s.

 

Actually, I believe Avatar Axeman did, but he's a stupid twat.

Agree. I very much doubt Brown will polarise people in 20 years to the extent Thatcher still does. I detest the evil old witch and plan to have a party when she breathes her last. I also intend, once the inevitable fuss has died down, to piss on her grave (not joking either).

What boils my piss is hearing Cameron bang on about broken Britain when IMO it is directly the result of his beloved Margaret's destruction of communitys through her vindictive policies.

 

Absolutely. She deliberately set out to destroy the mining and steel industries as a means to break union power. She accomplished her mission but destroyed communities up and down the country that had no purpose once the mines and factories closed down, and have never recovered. I'm guessing Cameron never had to rely on free dinners to survive or pick sea coal off the beach to avoid freezing to death.

I'd thought my days of "taking to the streets" were long gone, but if a State Funeral is held for The Witch, I'll be there, getting arrested.

 

Brown is a proper softie.

I expect he'll get stabbed in the back sooner rather than later

[Monkeys Fist 42107]

I'm 43 so I don't know how that compares to those that hate thatcher but even though I was effected by some of the boom and bust, I never found myself hating her or the government.

 

My first real recollection of politics was the winter of discontent under labour when it seemed that everyone was on strike and blackouts used to be common place. I always saw thatcher as some kind of fitness coach trying to get this fat slob of a country into a competitive state for the new " small world" we were facing.

 

I never quite understood how the coal ans steel industries had a future when it was cheaper to import it. It's all very well being patriotic but as consumers we all want the best price whether it is a laptop, car or heating bills.

 

If her actions were so wrong, why has labour never undone some of her big decisions. Why have pits not been re-opened and union rights restored to what they are?

 

I appreciate if you were effected by the pits and steel closures it will taint your view and I also realise some people are so set in their political ways that one parties policies will always be wrong.

 

But otherwise it seems strange for straight thinking people to despise her. After all, we kept sending her back to power.

You are either;

1) on the wind up

2) a Tory

3) so fucking dim you struggle with walking and breathing at the same time

 

I'll assume it's 1)

Edited October 14, 2009 by Monkeys Fist

[Monkeys Fist 42107]

Poor response tbf monkey

Ok, I'll fret about that all day

[Park Life 71]

I'm 43 so I don't know how that compares to those that hate thatcher but even though I was effected by some of the boom and bust, I never found myself hating her or the government.

 

My first real recollection of politics was the winter of discontent under labour when it seemed that everyone was on strike and blackouts used to be common place. I always saw thatcher as some kind of fitness coach trying to get this fat slob of a country into a competitive state for the new " small world" we were facing.

 

I never quite understood how the coal ans steel industries had a future when it was cheaper to import it. It's all very well being patriotic but as consumers we all want the best price whether it is a laptop, car or heating bills.

 

If her actions were so wrong, why has labour never undone some of her big decisions. Why have pits not been re-opened and union rights restored to what they are?

 

I appreciate if you were effected by the pits and steel closures it will taint your view and I also realise some people are so set in their political ways that one parties policies will always be wrong.

 

But otherwise it seems strange for straight thinking people to despise her. After all, we kept sending her back to power.

 

 

The short ans is that people want caring capitalism but are too lazy to fight for it, unlike in the 80's....

[Monkeys Fist 42107]

I'm 43 so I don't know how that compares to those that hate thatcher but even though I was effected by some of the boom and bust, I never found myself hating her or the government.

 

My first real recollection of politics was the winter of discontent under labour when it seemed that everyone was on strike and blackouts used to be common place. I always saw thatcher as some kind of fitness coach trying to get this fat slob of a country into a competitive state for the new " small world" we were facing.

 

I never quite understood how the coal ans steel industries had a future when it was cheaper to import it. It's all very well being patriotic but as consumers we all want the best price whether it is a laptop, car or heating bills.

 

If her actions were so wrong, why has labour never undone some of her big decisions. Why have pits not been re-opened and union rights restored to what they are?

 

I appreciate if you were effected by the pits and steel closures it will taint your view and I also realise some people are so set in their political ways that one parties policies will always be wrong.

 

But otherwise it seems strange for straight thinking people to despise her. After all, we kept sending her back to power.

 

 

The short ans is that people want caring capitalism but are too lazy to fight for it, unlike in the 80's....

and also that the right to public protest to raise awareness of issues was seriously curtailed by.........

 

.... guess who?

[trophyshy 7073]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

[Park Life 71]

I'm 43 so I don't know how that compares to those that hate thatcher but even though I was effected by some of the boom and bust, I never found myself hating her or the government.

 

My first real recollection of politics was the winter of discontent under labour when it seemed that everyone was on strike and blackouts used to be common place. I always saw thatcher as some kind of fitness coach trying to get this fat slob of a country into a competitive state for the new " small world" we were facing.

 

I never quite understood how the coal ans steel industries had a future when it was cheaper to import it. It's all very well being patriotic but as consumers we all want the best price whether it is a laptop, car or heating bills.

 

If her actions were so wrong, why has labour never undone some of her big decisions. Why have pits not been re-opened and union rights restored to what they are?

 

I appreciate if you were effected by the pits and steel closures it will taint your view and I also realise some people are so set in their political ways that one parties policies will always be wrong.

 

But otherwise it seems strange for straight thinking people to despise her. After all, we kept sending her back to power.

 

 

The short ans is that people want caring capitalism but are too lazy to fight for it, unlike in the 80's....

and also that the right to public protest to raise awareness of issues was seriously curtailed by.........

 

.... guess who?

 

You don't need to be given 'rights' you are born with them.

[Park Life 71]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

 

They already are, what do you think these green taxes are all about??

[trophyshy 7073]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

 

They already are, what do you think these green taxes are all about??

 

[Happy Face 29]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

 

They already are, what do you think these green taxes are all about??

 

 

What was that story about the company that owned the rainwater and charged residents who used it?

[trophyshy 7073]

I want out. How do you get out? Lemme OUT!

[Kitman 2204]

I'm 43 so I don't know how that compares to those that hate thatcher but even though I was effected by some of the boom and bust, I never found myself hating her or the government.

 

My first real recollection of politics was the winter of discontent under labour when it seemed that everyone was on strike and blackouts used to be common place. I always saw thatcher as some kind of fitness coach trying to get this fat slob of a country into a competitive state for the new " small world" we were facing.

 

I never quite understood how the coal ans steel industries had a future when it was cheaper to import it. It's all very well being patriotic but as consumers we all want the best price whether it is a laptop, car or heating bills.

 

If her actions were so wrong, why has labour never undone some of her big decisions. Why have pits not been re-opened and union rights restored to what they are?

 

I appreciate if you were effected by the pits and steel closures it will taint your view and I also realise some people are so set in their political ways that one parties policies will always be wrong.

 

But otherwise it seems strange for straight thinking people to despise her. After all, we kept sending her back to power.

 

Well it was certainly all about money. Greed was good after all. However I don't believe any sensible government would set out to destroy its industry simply because it thought it wasn't competitive with the third world. That would be at best short sighted and at worst reckless and irresponsible. No, imo Thatcher saw crushing the mining & steel industries as the way to crush organised labour, which is basically what her big business paymasters wanted her to do. It was never about getting the country in shape - it was more like amputation.

 

The closure of heavy industry is a one way street. Once it's gone it doesn't come back. You can't reopen a deep mine once it's closed, it degrades over time. You can't reopen a foundry once it's stripped. You don't start building ships again once the skills to do it have gone. Perhaps you don't wonder why Britain's economy is largely based on the City of London, service industries and supermarkets, overseas manufacturers who can piss off somewhere else at the drop of a hat, with whole areas of the country blighted, and whether that's good for the future of the country?

 

If you see it as a simple matter of economics, rather than war on the unions, socialism and communities, then I don't think you really understood what was going on. And it wasn't just about Thatcher, she was the leader but there was a whole cast of slimy deeply hideous individuals behind her.

[Renton 21364]

What a surprise that Christmas tree is a Thatcher apologist. Obvious from his personal philosophy really.

[Park Life 71]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

 

They already are, what do you think these green taxes are all about??

 

 

What was that story about the company that owned the rainwater and charged residents who used it?

 

It was in South America. Guatamala or summat....

[Park Life 71]

I want out. How do you get out? Lemme OUT!

 

I'm seriously considering doing a Reggie Perrin.

[Happy Face 29]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

 

They already are, what do you think these green taxes are all about??

 

 

What was that story about the company that owned the rainwater and charged residents who used it?

 

It was in South America. Guatamala or summat....

 

Yeah, that was the famous one I knew about, but try googling for it and you get other examples like this...

 

In Colorado, Rain Barrels Are Illegal.

 

Colorado state law mandates that any water falling from the air is not yours. In fact, according to their site, its already been “legally allocated” — so, you don’t actually have any rights when it comes to using precipitation that falls on your property.

 

[Kitman 2204]

I want out. How do you get out? Lemme OUT!

 

I'm seriously considering doing a Reggie Perrin.

 

Going to NZ is similar. We seriously had a guy here who pretended to commit suicide by leaving his car and clothes by the beach. He then moved cities, making no attempt to change his appearance, and lived for years under an assumed name whilst his wife and kids thought he was dead. In other words he disappeared completely by changing his name and going to live in another city, in a country whose population is 4m. He would have got away with it too if he hadn't applied for a passport for a holiday in Oz, the dozy twonk

[Park Life 71]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

 

They already are, what do you think these green taxes are all about??

 

 

What was that story about the company that owned the rainwater and charged residents who used it?

 

It was in South America. Guatamala or summat....

 

Yeah, that was the famous one I knew about, but try googling for it and you get other examples like this...

 

In Colorado, Rain Barrels Are Illegal.

 

Colorado state law mandates that any water falling from the air is not yours. In fact, according to their site, its already been “legally allocated” — so, you don’t actually have any rights when it comes to using precipitation that falls on your property.

 

 

AmeriKKKa.

[Monkeys Fist 42107]

Selling off all the stuff we owned into rich private hands remains a disgrace.

 

It ultimately means that almost everything is about profit. Is that really the way to go?

 

Hospitals for profit?

 

Is nothing sacred?

 

They'll be charging us for air soon, you wait and see.

 

They already are, what do you think these green taxes are all about??

 

 

What was that story about the company that owned the rainwater and charged residents who used it?

 

It was in South America. Guatamala or summat....

 

Yeah, that was the famous one I knew about, but try googling for it and you get other examples like this...

 

In Colorado, Rain Barrels Are Illegal.

 

Colorado state law mandates that any water falling from the air is not yours. In fact, according to their site, its already been “legally allocated” — so, you don’t actually have any rights when it comes to using precipitation that falls on your property.

 

Wonder how that applies to snow? Isn't Colorado major winter resort territory?

[AgentAxeman 174]

Without wishing to sound a discordant note, I don't think there's any comparison between Brown and Thatcher. Thatcher was a monster, driven by idealogy and aided by big business. Brown is merely being pragmatic it seems to me because the country's bust and he needs to reduce debt. Of course it would make singing the Red Flag with his comrades a little more awkward, but I think Labour ditched that from their conferences around the time they stopped pretending to be socialists.

 

 

Thatcher was driven by idealogy? so what is Brown driven by?

Brown is being pragmatic cos the countrys skint? - Who's been in charge of the purse strings for the last 13 yrs?

Stopped pretending to be socialist?? - do you mean they really are?

 

btw, i agree that Thatcher was the biggest bitch under the sun but i dont hate her for it. at the time the country needed someone like that to drag it out of the shite which was th late 60's/70's