Guest alex Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 He was egotistical but what I got from the book was how intelligent and ahead of his time he was. He was a genius in many ways and not just from the point of view of a footballing individual. He understood about how the game should be played and how the team should play. He was telling people what to do when he was 17 and they listened to him because they thought he was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Also shows Cryuff for the egotistical cock he is. Demanded to wear a 2 stripe top instead of the adidas 3 stripes during the 74 WC Finals Probably not the best person to be commenting on this situation Wasn't that something to do with his sponsorship from Puma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7308 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Bit of an unrealistic sponsorship deal if it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 It was to do with the players not getting much out of the deal (if anything) too I think. Also, he wore Puma boots but the squad were supposed wear Adidas ones iirc. Taking the stripe off the top just seems a bit petty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Mental how the Dutch had an international record akin to a team like Luxembourg before the 1970s. Before '74 they hadn't qualified for a major tournament since the 1938 World Cup iirc. Im just reading that book about the dutch team. Brilliant Orange I think its called. It was a British coach who put the wheels in motion for total football at Ajax apparently Um, no. (Vic) Buckingham was a devotee of W-M, and it was with that formation - albeit a far more fluid version of it than would have been found in Britain at the time - that Ajax won the Dutch League title in 1960, playing an attacking style that brought them an average of 3.2 goals per game. Buckingham left after two seasons to join Sheffield Wednesday, and when he returned in 1964, he struggled to replicate his earlier success. By January 1965, Ajax were struggling near the relegation zone, and Buckingham was sacked.He was replaced by Rinus Michels ... ... Michels kept Ajax up in his first season; the next they won the league. Although they played attractive and fluent football in doing so, there was no talk of Total Football at that stage, and certainly Michels did not turn up clutching a blueprint of how he believed football should be played... ... Tactically his first change was to abandon the W-M for a 4-2-4... Inverting the Pyramid - Jonathan Wilson p. 219-223. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 Also shows Cryuff for the egotistical cock he is. Demanded to wear a 2 stripe top instead of the adidas 3 stripes during the 74 WC Finals Probably not the best person to be commenting on this situation Wasn't that something to do with his sponsorship from Puma? No, he wanted to wear his own range of gear he was promoting at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7308 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Mental how the Dutch had an international record akin to a team like Luxembourg before the 1970s. Before '74 they hadn't qualified for a major tournament since the 1938 World Cup iirc. Im just reading that book about the dutch team. Brilliant Orange I think its called. It was a British coach who put the wheels in motion for total football at Ajax apparently Um, no. (Vic) Buckingham was a devotee of W-M, and it was with that formation - albeit a far more fluid version of it than would have been found in Britain at the time - that Ajax won the Dutch League title in 1960, playing an attacking style that brought them an average of 3.2 goals per game. Buckingham left after two seasons to join Sheffield Wednesday, and when he returned in 1964, he struggled to replicate his earlier success. By January 1965, Ajax were struggling near the relegation zone, and Buckingham was sacked.He was replaced by Rinus Michels ... ... Michels kept Ajax up in his first season; the next they won the league. Although they played attractive and fluent football in doing so, there was no talk of Total Football at that stage, and certainly Michels did not turn up clutching a blueprint of how he believed football should be played... ... Tactically his first change was to abandon the W-M for a 4-2-4... Inverting the Pyramid - Jonathan Wilson p. 219-223. He laid the foundations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I'd be arrogant as fuck as well like if I had achieved what Cruyff had. As Alex mentioned as well though, he was very opinionated. But his opinion was more often than not right. I don't mind people with that level of self belief if they can back it up, but it's those who come out with shit all of the time yet can't actually produce when it matters. Shola or Steven Taylor for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 he always had a superiority complex, did Cruyff. he could play every position pretty well because of his speed, touch and all round ability. agree the sentiments about those 2 players from the previous post btw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Mental how the Dutch had an international record akin to a team like Luxembourg before the 1970s. Before '74 they hadn't qualified for a major tournament since the 1938 World Cup iirc. Im just reading that book about the dutch team. Brilliant Orange I think its called. It was a British coach who put the wheels in motion for total football at Ajax apparently Um, no. (Vic) Buckingham was a devotee of W-M, and it was with that formation - albeit a far more fluid version of it than would have been found in Britain at the time - that Ajax won the Dutch League title in 1960, playing an attacking style that brought them an average of 3.2 goals per game. Buckingham left after two seasons to join Sheffield Wednesday, and when he returned in 1964, he struggled to replicate his earlier success. By January 1965, Ajax were struggling near the relegation zone, and Buckingham was sacked.He was replaced by Rinus Michels ... ... Michels kept Ajax up in his first season; the next they won the league. Although they played attractive and fluent football in doing so, there was no talk of Total Football at that stage, and certainly Michels did not turn up clutching a blueprint of how he believed football should be played... ... Tactically his first change was to abandon the W-M for a 4-2-4... Inverting the Pyramid - Jonathan Wilson p. 219-223. He laid the foundations Yeah right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 he always had a superiority complex, did Cruyff. he could play every position pretty well because of his speed, touch and all round ability. agree the sentiments about those 2 players from the previous post btw... It's well documented that without Cruyff, Michels may not have pushed forward with the "Total Football" (a term he didn't use) at Ajax. What is known is Michels was one of the first managers, coincidently at the same time as Valeriy Lobanovskyi at Dynamo, to realise the tactic of pressing and improved physical conditioning would change the game. Cruyff's ability allowed Michels to take it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 think the nearest thing to that system nowadays is the barcelona one. henry moans alot about it as the left sided forward (though of course right footed) but its his and messi's ability to stop the full backs playing forward that restricts their oponents. that and the fact you can't get the ball off of their entire team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Castell 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Messi on a contract until 2016, or Jason Roberts? I know who I'd rather have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 think the nearest thing to that system nowadays is the barcelona one. henry moans alot about it as the left sided forward (though of course right footed) but its his and messi's ability to stop the full backs playing forward that restricts their oponents. that and the fact you can't get the ball off of their entire team! I'd also argue that today top level footballers aren't smart enough to play a total football style tactic. With the push for greater physical ability and the fact that a young, promising footballer's schooling is neglected from the age of 13/14 in pursuit of that goal, there is less chance of a team full of thinkers to understand the complexities of interchanging positions/roles. The future of football is 10 x 6'3", 75kg, able to sprint 100m in 10sec robots, with a 6'6", spider like keeper. Maradona wouldn't have the opportunity to make it in the game these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 think the nearest thing to that system nowadays is the barcelona one. henry moans alot about it as the left sided forward (though of course right footed) but its his and messi's ability to stop the full backs playing forward that restricts their oponents. that and the fact you can't get the ball off of their entire team! I'd also argue that today top level footballers aren't smart enough to play a total football style tactic. With the push for greater physical ability and the fact that a young, promising footballer's schooling is neglected from the age of 13/14 in pursuit of that goal, there is less chance of a team full of thinkers to understand the complexities of interchanging positions/roles. The future of football is 10 x 6'3", 75kg, able to sprint 100m in 10sec robots, with a 6'6", spider like keeper. Maradona wouldn't have the opportunity to make it in the game these days. Pretty spot on there Sammy lad. Been saying something like this for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Castell 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 True, small players who are not fast have very little chance of making it unless they have supernatural abilities on the ball. It's the same with rugby union, where Shane Williams apart, wingers are becoming increasingly strong and tall, and centres have do be at least 6 foot 2 and able to bash and tackle like a forward. Even fly halves have to be big and tough. Neil Jenkins would not have made it in modern rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Selfish fucker wasn't he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 True, small players who are not fast have very little chance of making it unless they have supernatural abilities on the ball. It's the same with rugby union, where Shane Williams apart, wingers are becoming increasingly strong and tall, and centres have do be at least 6 foot 2 and able to bash and tackle like a forward. Even fly halves have to be big and tough. Neil Jenkins would not have made it in modern rugby. See that's where it is wrong. You can understand rugby teams wanting a team of quick giants but rugby has three tactics - kick, run the ball wide or push the ball up the centre - not a lot of thought required there. Football shouldn't be played that way. I was talking to someone recently who was an international in the 80s here in Australia (so let's be honest he was a good player but was only good enough to play in the Greek league) and he'd been involved something for junior national level selections. After watching the selectors pick the tallest, quickest kids he posed the question on why they were only interested in kids of a certain physical "specification"? The response was, "we can turn athletes into footballers, we can't turn footballers into athletes!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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