Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 the upper increment salary for a standard patrolman in the LAPD? No cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 $40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 $90'000!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 the upper increment salary for a standard patrolman in the LAPD? No cheating I don't care about yank money and don't know the value to the pound, but am guessing £70,000 in proper money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 $90'000!!! How much is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 $90'000!!! Just been reading Homicide by David Simon and (admittedly in the late 80s) it was about $30k for detectives at the top of their scale (who hadn't became sergeant or whatever) iirc so it was based on that. I bet LA is better funded than Baltimore though (just a bit). I don't think I'd do it for $90k though. It's not that much tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 $90'000!!! How much is that? Its hard to equate to English money as houses and cars etc. tend to be cheaper over there anyway, so its not as easy as just using the exchange rate. But probably £65-70k in English money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 90k is a shit salary in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) $90'000!!! Just been reading Homicide by David Simon and (admittedly in the late 80s) it was about $30k for detectives at the top of their scale (who hadn't became sergeant or whatever) iirc so it was based on that. I bet LA is better funded than Baltimore though (just a bit). I don't think I'd do it for $90k though. It's not that much tbh. The UK equivalent is £34k after 10 years service edit - just noticed that after probation the starting salary for a PC is £27500!!! Thats getting on for £35k after enhancements and overtime. Nurses get shafted! Edited September 25, 2009 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 90k is a shit salary in the US. Not really, teachers make around $50k a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 $90'000!!! Just been reading Homicide by David Simon and (admittedly in the late 80s) it was about $30k for detectives at the top of their scale (who hadn't became sergeant or whatever) iirc so it was based on that. I bet LA is better funded than Baltimore though (just a bit). I don't think I'd do it for $90k though. It's not that much tbh. The UK equivalent is £34k after 10 years service Not that I think that's a lot either and I wouldn't do the job here either but I'd rather be doing it here for that money than $90k in LA. It does sound like a lot though but is it really that high a salary in LA? Especially considering the time it would take to get to the top of the scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22449 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 $90'000!!! How much is that? Its hard to equate to English money as houses and cars etc. tend to be cheaper over there anyway, so its not as easy as just using the exchange rate. But probably £65-70k in English money What about health insurance etc, has that already been deducted? Good chance of being killed too if Lethal Weapon is anything to go by. Just Googled and the average US slary is $42k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 NYPD has a full pension after 25years. Lot safer than it was too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22449 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 NYPD has a full pension after 25years. Lot safer than it was too Planning on moving KD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 Haha no, just didnt expect it to be that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Is New York really a lot safer? Or have they just cleaned up the areas where the tourists and office workers go in Manhattan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) You cant argue with what Giuliani did to that city. Crime rate is a fraction of what it was in the 80s Edited September 25, 2009 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 You cant argue with what Giuliani did to that city. Crime rate is a fraction of what it was in the 80s That doesn't answer the question though (I don't know the answer). It's not like all the plod over there get to ride the horses round Central Park, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22449 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 You cant argue with what Giuliani did to that city. Crime rate is a fraction of what it was in the 80s That doesn't answer the question though (I don't know the answer). It's not like all the plod over there get to ride the horses round Central Park, is it? Met someone from New York this week who said the city (Manhattan) is safer than equivalent European cities. Still skeptical about that personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7320 Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) Law enforcement In his first term as mayor, Giuliani, in conjunction with New York City Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton, adopted an aggressive enforcement-deterrent strategy based on James Q. Wilson's "Broken Windows" approach. This involved crackdowns on relatively minor offenses such as graffiti, turnstile jumping, marijuana possession, and aggressive "squeegeemen", on the theory that this would send a message that order would be maintained. Giuliani and Bratton also instituted CompStat, a comparative statistical approach to mapping crime geographically and in terms of emerging criminal patterns, as well as charting officer performance by quantifying criminal apprehensions. Critics of the system assert that it creates an environment in which police officials are encouraged to underreport or otherwise manipulate crime data.[41] The CompStat initiative won the 1996 Innovations in Government Award from the Kennedy School of Government.[52] National, New York City, and other major city crime rates (1990–2002).[53] During Giuliani's administration, crime rates dropped in New York City,[41] which Giuliani's presidential campaign website credited to his leadership.[54] The extent to which his policies deserve the credit is disputed. A small nationwide drop in crime preceded Giuliani's election, and critics say that he may have been the beneficiary of a trend already in progress. Additional contributing factors to the overall decline in crime during the 1990s were federal funding of an additional 7,000 police officers and an overall improvement in the national economy. Changing demographics were a key factor contributing to crime rate reductions, which were similar across the country during this time.[55] Because the crime index is based on that of the FBI, which is self-reported by police departments, some have alleged that crimes were shifted into categories that the FBI doesn't collect. [56] Giuliani's supporters cite studies concluding that New York's drop in crime rate in the 1990s and 2000s exceeds all national figures and therefore should be linked with a local dynamic that was not present as such anywhere else in the country: what University of California sociologist Frank Zimring calls "the most focused form of policing in history". In his book The Great American Crime Decline, Zimring claims that "up to half of New York’s crime drop in the 1990s, and virtually 100 percent of its continuing crime decline since 2000, has resulted from policing."[57][58] Bratton was featured on the cover of Time in 1996.[59] Giuliani reportedly forced Bratton out after two years, in what was generally seen as a battle of two large egos in which Giuliani was not tolerant of Bratton's celebrity. Bratton would go on to become the Police Chief of Los Angeles.[60] Giuliani's term also saw allegations of civil rights abuses and other police misconduct. There were police shootings of unarmed suspects,[61] and the scandals surrounding the sexual torture of Abner Louima and the killings of Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismond. Giuliani supported the New York Police Department, for example by releasing what he called Dorismond's "extensive criminal record" to the public, including a sealed juvenile file.[62] Edited September 25, 2009 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22449 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Looks like he had an effect on LA as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 90k is a shit salary in the US. Not really, teachers make around $50k a year Yeah, teachers get paid badly. I know what my job pays in the US and i know what i'm paid in the EU. 90k is not a great place to be when it comes to health insurance, education etc. Its not poverty by any means of course but its not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 90k is a shit salary in the US. Not really, teachers make around $50k a year Yeah, teachers get paid badly. I know what my job pays in the US and i know what i'm paid in the EU. 90k is not a great place to be when it comes to health insurance, education etc. Its not poverty by any means of course but its not great. The national average in the states is $35,000, 90k doesn't sound too bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11080 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 90k is a shit salary in the US. Not really, teachers make around $50k a year Yeah, teachers get paid badly. I know what my job pays in the US and i know what i'm paid in the EU. 90k is not a great place to be when it comes to health insurance, education etc. Its not poverty by any means of course but its not great. The national average in the states is $35,000, 90k doesn't sound too bad... All that says to me is that there's a lot of people on the bread line. Don't they argue that the middle-income families are totally screwed by the system in America? Earn too much to benefit from government health and education systems, but not enough to pay for private firms to supply a decent standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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