Free Speech Thread

[Renton 21393]

I feel comfortable saying that because of all the people I've met taxi drivers are usually towards the more opinionated side of the spectrum and often times their opinions are ill informed.

 

and the colour of ones skin has little to do with their capacity for ignorance and bigotry

 

Tadaaaa,

 

 

 

Least we dont fiddle our CV's.

Says our resident Walter Mitty.

 

 

CT, I'd keep quiet on the subject of work ethics if I was you.

[Guest alex]

Obviously I meant one of our resident Walter Mittys.

[Renton 21393]

Obviously I meant one of our resident Walter Mittys.

 

What are you implying!?

[Guest alex]

Relax Gordon.

[The Fish 10779]

Thing I don't understand is that Toontastic isn't exactly draconian, you can write about whatever you like as long as it doesn't go too far beyond the boundaries of sense.

 

This thread screams "Look at me" rather than "I've a controversial view I'd like to share"

[Renton 21393]

I'd love to know who the PC brigade are on this board as well, can't think of anyone who fits that description personally, although I imagine I'd be lumped into that category by some.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

Thing I don't understand is that Toontastic isn't exactly draconian, you can write about whatever you like as long as it doesn't go too far beyond the boundaries of sense.

 

This thread screams "Look at me" rather than "I've a controversial view I'd like to share"

 

 

Silly girl.

 

The point is where does freedom of speech end and "boundaries of sense" start.

 

Are you allowed to say you dislike black people as long as you don't incite violence?

 

And Alex, you have called me walter Mitty many times without backing it up with proof once. Usually you pm me an apology rather than apologising in a thread.

[Tom 14011]

I'd love to know who the PC brigade are on this board as well, can't think of anyone who fits that description personally, although I imagine I'd be lumped into that category by some.

 

I use a desktop and I'm not ashamed.

[Guest alex]

Thing I don't understand is that Toontastic isn't exactly draconian, you can write about whatever you like as long as it doesn't go too far beyond the boundaries of sense.

 

This thread screams "Look at me" rather than "I've a controversial view I'd like to share"

 

 

Silly girl.

 

The point is where does freedom of speech end and "boundaries of sense" start.

 

Are you allowed to say you dislike black people as long as you don't incite violence?

 

And Alex, you have called me walter Mitty many times without backing it up with proof once. Usually you pm me an apology rather than apologising in a thread.

I think I pm'ed you once saying sorry for having a pop at you before which in retrospect I regret so you've inadvertently proven my point there. Feel free to stick them all in this thread if I'm lying though.

Edited September 25, 2009 by alex

[NJS 4375]

I'd love to know who the PC brigade are on this board as well, can't think of anyone who fits that description personally, although I imagine I'd be lumped into that category by some.

 

Anyone to the left of LM which covers 90% of the known and unknown universe.

[Guest alex]

And incidentally CT, you claimed to be Barry Moat's mate (and that's just off the top of my head).

[The Fish 10779]

Thing I don't understand is that Toontastic isn't exactly draconian, you can write about whatever you like as long as it doesn't go too far beyond the boundaries of sense.

 

This thread screams "Look at me" rather than "I've a controversial view I'd like to share"

 

 

Silly girl.

 

The point is where does freedom of speech end and "boundaries of sense" start.

 

Are you allowed to say you dislike black people as long as you don't incite violence?

 

And Alex, you have called me walter Mitty many times without backing it up with proof once. Usually you pm me an apology rather than apologising in a thread.

 

 

 

Well if you could back up you rather broad stroke statement with more than stereotype and ignorance, if you could make a reasonable argument for your dislike of black people, personally I wouldn't care for it, but I wouldn't stop you posting it. You would have to suffer the fallout of expressing what is a minority view that many people find offensive though. Just as would someone who, say, thinks it's ok to beat women or sit to pee.

 

People who clamour for freedom of speech crack me up; they never seem to have anything worthwhile to say. It always seems to be those on the right-hand side of the political spectrum who demand their freedom of speech, yet it was those on the left that got them it... This mythical "PC Brigade" never seem to raise their dictatorial head whenever I've looked. In fact, CT, name one thread, post or whatever that has been censored?

[Christmas Tree 4711]

Ofcourse pc exists just as views classed as racism exist in many forms and I would argue that rather than the minority view, probably the majority of people are racist whether they are black White or yellow.

 

Would mr Singh at the corner shop like a young White man dating his daughter, no. Would I like mr sings son dating my daughter, no.

 

Would either of us shout racist abuse at each other, no.

 

It's always been there and always will.

 

You can adjust this argument to suit many viewpoints whether it be racism, predjudice to gays or whatever.

 

My point is society would like us all to politey ignore these viewpoints as though they don't exist.

 

Ask the population whether two gay men should be allowed to adopt and the vast majority say no yet this is not the image politicians want to portray.

 

People should feel freer to express there true opinions so that viewpoints can be discussed openly and with reason.

[Guest alex]

I don't quite get what it is that you want to say that you're not being allowed to say.

[Guest Stevie]

I'd love to know who the PC brigade are on this board as well, can't think of anyone who fits that description personally, although I imagine I'd be lumped into that category by some.

You're the fucking deputy chairman, with Happy Faeces above you.

[Renton 21393]

I'd love to know who the PC brigade are on this board as well, can't think of anyone who fits that description personally, although I imagine I'd be lumped into that category by some.

You're the fucking deputy chairman, with Happy Faeces above you.

 

Because I don't like the term chinky, or because you have something else in mind?

 

Funnily enough, I also get called un-PC a lot by others, personally I think that along with the OP it's all a bunch of bollocks.

[The Fish 10779]

Ofcourse pc exists just as views classed as racism exist in many forms and I would argue that rather than the minority view, probably the majority of people are racist whether they are black White or yellow.

 

Would mr Singh at the corner shop like a young White man dating his daughter, no. Would I like mr sings son dating my daughter, no.

 

What if Mr Singh's son was a titan of business, was a handsome, doting, intelligent man whose father's prejudices were not his own?

 

You can adjust this argument to suit many viewpoints whether it be racism, predjudice to gays or whatever.

what argument, you haven't stated an argument, you haven't given any reason for your prejudice.

 

My point is society would like us all to politey ignore these viewpoints as though they don't exist.

I don't think that's true, I think that society on the whole finds those prejudices to be an example of ignorance, rather than a formed thought.

 

Ask the population whether two gay men should be allowed to adopt and the vast majority say no yet this is not the image politicians want to portray.

 

again, I wouldn't agree that this is true, and even if it were, is that right? If you asked the majority of people in Roman times if slavery and gladiatorial combat was ok and they'd say sure. We rightfully find it barbaric. I think if your supposed "Vast Majority" were to actually have an informed debate about gay adoption they'd soon find their prejudices to be baseless.

 

People should feel freer to express there true opinions so that viewpoints can be discussed openly and with reason.

 

This is the only part of your post I agree with.

 

so to sum up:

• can you explain why you wouldn't want Mr Singh's son to marry your daughter?
  
• Can you explain why you think a gay or lesbian couple shouldn't adopt?
  
• Can you explain why you thought you wouldn't be able to post this?
  

[Guest Stevie]

Ofcourse pc exists just as views classed as racism exist in many forms and I would argue that rather than the minority view, probably the majority of people are racist whether they are black White or yellow.

 

Would mr Singh at the corner shop like a young White man dating his daughter, no. Would I like mr sings son dating my daughter, no.

 

What if Mr Singh's son was a titan of business, was a handsome, doting, intelligent man whose father's prejudices were not his own?

 

You can adjust this argument to suit many viewpoints whether it be racism, predjudice to gays or whatever.

what argument, you haven't stated an argument, you haven't given any reason for your prejudice.

 

My point is society would like us all to politey ignore these viewpoints as though they don't exist.

I don't think that's true, I think that society on the whole finds those prejudices to be an example of ignorance, rather than a formed thought.

 

Ask the population whether two gay men should be allowed to adopt and the vast majority say no yet this is not the image politicians want to portray.

 

again, I wouldn't agree that this is true, and even if it were, is that right? If you asked the majority of people in Roman times if slavery and gladiatorial combat was ok and they'd say sure. We rightfully find it barbaric. I think if your supposed "Vast Majority" were to actually have an informed debate about gay adoption they'd soon find their prejudices to be baseless.

 

People should feel freer to express there true opinions so that viewpoints can be discussed openly and with reason.

 

This is the only part of your post I agree with.

 

so to sum up:

• can you explain why you wouldn't want Mr Singh's son to marry your daughter?
  
• Can you explain why you think a gay or lesbian couple shouldn't adopt?
  
• Can you explain why you thought you wouldn't be able to post this?
  

Is that not his prerogative?

[The Fish 10779]

Well it seems reasonable to ask him to explain this decision, given he's brought it up and wants a debate on it

[Guest alex]

Is that not his prerogative?

Of course. But (especially since this thread is all about free speech, at the bequest of CT) there's surely nothing wrong with asking the question either

[Tom 14011]

Mr Singh's son can down a pint in 2 seconds.

[Walliver 0]

This all seems a tad ridiculous.

[The Fish 10779]

It is.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

You see that's the problem, the pc brigade can't accept that mr Singh and myself are both quite content with our shared levels of racism and it does not need to be unpicked to find reasons to enjoy your pc ness.

 

People have lots of reasons for racism, most under scrutiny may have no logic, but neither does religeon.

[Guest alex]

I thought this was meant to be about free speech rather than about not having to disclose why you might be prejudiced though. You don't have to say why you may not want your daughter to date an Asian bloke but what has that got to do with the right to free speech exactly? Seems like your building a pre-conceived straw man argument by trying to make out people are demanding to know your private reasons for stuff. They aren't but it's not unreasonable to ask, is it? Especially given the OP.