Deano 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I personally would of said Smith --- Barton but on recent form id have to say Smith --- Guthrie, only problem is who then plays right wing? Probably be happy with Raylor at right wing so long as Simpson is fit to play right-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 10 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I would have Jonas Barton Smith Guthrie. Should be good enough to beat most teams in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11063 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 If they were playing to their best, it'd be Smith and Barton. Right now I'd drop Barton until he gets his finger out. Guthrie deserves a shot imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shear class! 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I would have Jonas Barton Smith Guthrie. Should be good enough to beat most teams in the championship. This is what I would go to, with Ranger and Carrol up front. Only he will never do it, needs to grow a pair I think IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 198 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 i voted barton - smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 I would have Jonas Barton Smith Guthrie. Should be good enough to beat most teams in the championship. This is what I would go to, with Ranger and Carrol up front. Only he will never do it, needs to grow a pair I think IMO I agree if Barton was playing anywhere enar his capacity but i think Guthrie is bringing much more right now and Raylor is more suited to the right-wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Smith --- Guthrie for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I picked Smith & Guthrie, basically because I believe Barton is one of the players who doesn't want to fight for the cause, just an overpaid pro collecting an wage he doesn't deserve. Both Smith and Guthrie look like they want to play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4962 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 smith guthrie with raylor and jonas either side or (if either raylor or simpson is out) jonas on the right and lovenkrands on the left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Can only go on the performances and efforts so far and its clearly Smith-Guthrie as Barton has been mostly crap and doesn't deserve to be ahead of Guthrie at all. Maybe in top form Barton would oust Guthrie but we've seen nothing from him so far, whereas Guthrie has scored a couple of crackign goals and looked likely to create chances whenever he plays, and Smith is crucial to the way we're playing away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Guthrie has to play, quite simply because he's the only one with any footballing ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22500 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Smith and guthrie all the way. Barton has been nothing but total pants since he signed for us. Agree about the need for a winger - jonas aside, we've no natural wide men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Currently Smith and Guthrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Sly and the family stone I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Toon 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I went with Smith & Guthrie, but on his day Barton is easily our best midfielder. Some of his passes are simply sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggiespaws 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Without question, Smith and Guthrie. Guthrie does ok on the right too - in which case I'd do Jonas - Smith - Nolan - Guthrie. Barton clearly isn't interested. Shame, as he's got talent; but if he's not going to put the effort in, he's no use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Without question, Smith and Guthrie. Guthrie does ok on the right too - in which case I'd do Jonas - Smith - Nolan - Guthrie. Barton clearly isn't interested. Shame, as he's got talent; but if he's not going to put the effort in, he's no use. Not bad but i feel Nolan like Butt has no legs, covers no ground and ideally you want someone in the middle who can at least attempt to cut the defence with a pass. Smith cant, he provedes something else but Guthrie can...reminds me of a green Rob Lee at times. Also whats the general opinion on Raylor now? I think he does alright on the right flank and will benefit from the support of Simpson overlapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Feel that Guthrie and Barton are our two best midfielders but they are having to play out of position to accommodate certain players / allow for Hughton's over cautious approach. It's worked so far to be fair but it might partly explain why we aren't getting more out of Barton. I think he's taking the piss as well btw and don't condone his lack of motivation at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Feel that Guthrie and Barton are our two best midfielders but they are having to play out of position to accommodate certain players / allow for Hughton's over cautious approach. It's worked so far to be fair but it might partly explain why we aren't getting more out of Barton. I think he's taking the piss as well btw and don't condone his lack of motivation at all. I agree that Guthrie and Barton are probably our best 2 central midfielders but do you think if we played them together in the middle we would have as much protection for the back four as we do with Alan Smith? I think Smith being in there is why we have conceded so few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Feel that Guthrie and Barton are our two best midfielders but they are having to play out of position to accommodate certain players / allow for Hughton's over cautious approach. It's worked so far to be fair but it might partly explain why we aren't getting more out of Barton. I think he's taking the piss as well btw and don't condone his lack of motivation at all. I agree that Guthrie and Barton are probably our best 2 central midfielders but do you think if we played them together in the middle we would have as much protection for the back four as we do with Alan Smith? I think Smith being in there is why we have conceded so few. No but it's a judgement call because the counter argument is we'll cause more problems for the opposition with Guthrie and Barton in the middle. It's working so far with Smith in there though plus Barton shouldn't be appeased to the detriment of players who've shown a better attitude I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Guthrie IMO is our best midfielder and someone we're not getting the best out of. I think he has the potential to be as good as Rob Lee was at his prime. Needs decent management to realise that potential, sadly something Keegan could have provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Feel that Guthrie and Barton are our two best midfielders but they are having to play out of position to accommodate certain players / allow for Hughton's over cautious approach. It's worked so far to be fair but it might partly explain why we aren't getting more out of Barton. I think he's taking the piss as well btw and don't condone his lack of motivation at all. I agree that Guthrie and Barton are probably our best 2 central midfielders but do you think if we played them together in the middle we would have as much protection for the back four as we do with Alan Smith? I think Smith being in there is why we have conceded so few. No but it's a judgement call because the counter argument is we'll cause more problems for the opposition with Guthrie and Barton in the middle. It's working so far with Smith in there though plus Barton shouldn't be appeased to the detriment of players who've shown a better attitude I suppose. I see your point. We will be more of a force going forward but on the flipside we would be more exposed at the back and bigger wholes left in the middle pulling players out of position. Iv always favoured one sit and one go in centre midfield, more stable and more balanced. If we were to play 2 attack minded central midfielders we would be over-run by the workmen in this league. We all want to see the "entertainers" but we dont have a watertight backline, although they do look more knitted this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Not a patch on Rob Lee. Hasn't got the legs for a kick-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Feel that Guthrie and Barton are our two best midfielders but they are having to play out of position to accommodate certain players / allow for Hughton's over cautious approach. It's worked so far to be fair but it might partly explain why we aren't getting more out of Barton. I think he's taking the piss as well btw and don't condone his lack of motivation at all. I agree that Guthrie and Barton are probably our best 2 central midfielders but do you think if we played them together in the middle we would have as much protection for the back four as we do with Alan Smith? I think Smith being in there is why we have conceded so few. No but it's a judgement call because the counter argument is we'll cause more problems for the opposition with Guthrie and Barton in the middle. It's working so far with Smith in there though plus Barton shouldn't be appeased to the detriment of players who've shown a better attitude I suppose. I see your point. We will be more of a force going forward but on the flipside we would be more exposed at the back and bigger wholes left in the middle pulling players out of position. Iv always favoured one sit and one go in centre midfield, more stable and more balanced. If we were to play 2 attack minded central midfielders we would be over-run by the workmen in this league. We all want to see the "entertainers" but we dont have a watertight backline, although they do look more knitted this season. I think people get a bit into the mindset of one attacking midfielder and one defensive midfielder when in reality that's rarely how teams playing 4-4-2 are set up. Barton and, to a lesser extent, Guthrie have the legs to get up and down in this league no problem at all imo. Smith does a good job sitting there though and is one of the main reasons we're looking fairly solid at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Feel that Guthrie and Barton are our two best midfielders but they are having to play out of position to accommodate certain players / allow for Hughton's over cautious approach. It's worked so far to be fair but it might partly explain why we aren't getting more out of Barton. I think he's taking the piss as well btw and don't condone his lack of motivation at all. I agree that Guthrie and Barton are probably our best 2 central midfielders but do you think if we played them together in the middle we would have as much protection for the back four as we do with Alan Smith? I think Smith being in there is why we have conceded so few. No but it's a judgement call because the counter argument is we'll cause more problems for the opposition with Guthrie and Barton in the middle. It's working so far with Smith in there though plus Barton shouldn't be appeased to the detriment of players who've shown a better attitude I suppose. I see your point. We will be more of a force going forward but on the flipside we would be more exposed at the back and bigger wholes left in the middle pulling players out of position. Iv always favoured one sit and one go in centre midfield, more stable and more balanced. If we were to play 2 attack minded central midfielders we would be over-run by the workmen in this league. We all want to see the "entertainers" but we dont have a watertight backline, although they do look more knitted this season. I think people get a bit into the mindset of one attacking midfielder and one defensive midfielder when in reality that's rarely how teams playing 4-4-2 are set up. Barton and, to a lesser extent, Guthrie have the legs to get up and down in this league no problem at all imo. Smith does a good job sitting there though and is one of the main reasons we're looking fairly solid at the back. But you do alex...Essien - Lampard is a perfect example. Neither are totally defensive or offensive but they dont have the same role's. Essien is box to box but is more defensive and covers more ground, breaks up play. Lampard is box to box but limits his coverage and is more attack minded. You cant have 2 central midfielders doing the same job although both can be box to box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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