Rob W 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Extra time is now a farce there should be an official timekeeper and the ref should be able to tell him (either via radio or by gesture) to stop the clock It works in other sports and takes away any indication of bias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7308 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Wouldnt work. If a team was winning 1-0 and the ref signalled 3mins injury time you would just have to feign an injury and it would be game over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 It's been calculated by various sources that the time added at OT yesterday was justfied. "A minumum of 4 minutes added time" could well be 4 minutes, 40 seconds. Given that Bellamy's celebration was timed at around 90 seconds plus there was a substitution in that time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 It's been calculated by various sources that the time added at OT yesterday was justfied. "A minumum of 4 minutes added time" could well be 4 minutes, 40 seconds. Given that Bellamy's celebration was timed at around 90 seconds plus there was a substitution in that time too. They worked it out on MOTD2 last night and Owen's goal was one second over what the time should have been. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Man City lost because no one was marking Owen. It was criminal giving a forward that much time and space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Man City lost because no one was marking Owen. It was criminal giving a forward that much time and space. Is the correct answer. Doesn't matter what time is added, surely the fundamental issue is that Citeh failed to defend it? That said if the roles were reversed, I'm surely the views of the respective managers would have been equally reserved. One thing is true - Fergie evidently feels threatened by Manchester City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 As with a lot of rules the laws are a little hazy on this, but there is no specific mention of adding on the time it takes for players to retreat to the centre circle in the laws of the game. Although I imagine that he can get away with it under 'any other cause'. Allowance is made in either period for all time lost through: • substitutions • assessment of injury to players • removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment • wasting time • any other cause The allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11063 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 As with a lot of rules the laws are a little hazy on this, but there is no specific mention of adding on the time it takes for players to retreat to the centre circle in the laws of the game. Although I imagine that he can get away with it under 'any other cause'. Allowance is made in either period for all time lost through: • substitutions • assessment of injury to players • removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment • wasting time • any other cause The allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee. yup, a "little hazy" there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31557 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Extra time is now a farce there should be an official timekeeper and the ref should be able to tell him (either via radio or by gesture) to stop the clock It works in other sports and takes away any indication of bias What a load of wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11063 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 No idea why, but this reminded me that the 5 official idea is ebing used in the Europa league this year isn't it? Any idea how it's been received so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay 10 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 No idea why, but this reminded me that the 5 official idea is ebing used in the Europa league this year isn't it? Any idea how it's been received so far? By managers not very well. Sure both Moyes and Mowbary have had a go. In Moyes Case before and after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 No idea why, but this reminded me that the 5 official idea is ebing used in the Europa league this year isn't it? Any idea how it's been received so far? That idea is total toss IMO. Still allows for a margin of human error and, as was rightly pointed out by someone on a radio phone in, there's not enough referees as it is so we simply going to 'fast-track' those from the lower leagues ultimately ending up with shitter refereeing? What the fuck has Platini got against technology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11063 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 He'll trot out the "slowing down the game" bull shit, but that just does stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 He'll trot out the "slowing down the game" bull shit, but that just does stand up to the slightest scrutiny. For goal-line technology? How about the minute the ball crosses the line into the goal it's linked to the scoreboard which immediately reports GOAL! (not too dis-similar to how the old scoreboard at SJP did. Mind you... we'd need a scoreboard first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11063 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 You don't have to convince me mate, I'm just saying. He'll make some argument that goal-line technology slows down the game, opens a dangerous precedent or some other nonsense. I don't see what his real motivation for stopping progress though, it's in every other major sport without being a detriment to the game. Surely the Referees can't be vehemently opposed to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Man City lost because no one was marking Owen. It was criminal giving a forward that much time and space. Definitely. Lovely pass from Giggs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 You don't have to convince me mate, I'm just saying. He'll make some argument that goal-line technology slows down the game, opens a dangerous precedent or some other nonsense. I don't see what his real motivation for stopping progress though, it's in every other major sport without being a detriment to the game. Surely the Referees can't be vehemently opposed to it? IIRC most of the referees who have been quizzed about it are definitely in favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Did anyone see the start of the Everton AEK game on Thursday? They were discussing the new extra 'assistants' and showed a game going on somewhere in europe with a contentious 'was it over the line' incident. Fat, hard man, Stan Collymore comes out with a classic 'How can the extra assistant tell? The post is in his way'. Pat Nevin then tells fat, hard man, Collymore that if the ball crosses the line, then the posts are not in the way. Collymore's fat face was a picture. Twat. Leave the time keeping up to the ref. Man Citeh (best supported club in the history of football. Fact!) had just as much opportunity to score themselves yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 Extra time is now a farce there should be an official timekeeper and the ref should be able to tell him (either via radio or by gesture) to stop the clock It works in other sports and takes away any indication of bias What a load of wank. Exactly why dear friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Man City lost because no one was marking Owen. It was criminal giving a forward that much time and space. Definitely. Lovely pass from Giggs as well. Andy Gray often talks shite, but he was spot on when he said if that ball had've fallen to most players, particularly someone like Anderson he'd have smashed the ball 20 feet over the bar, Giggs vision deserves as much praise as the finish in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31557 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Extra time is now a farce there should be an official timekeeper and the ref should be able to tell him (either via radio or by gesture) to stop the clock It works in other sports and takes away any indication of bias What a load of wank. Exactly why dear friend? I did consider expanding on my original point but felt it was unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 please do! We await your intellectual input with bated breath................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31557 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 How often does the issue of the ref playing too much injury time actually cause a problem? Not too often. Your idea is a knee jerk reaction to what happened yesterday and is entirely unnecessary, I thought all that was clear from my 'load of wank' statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 How often does the issue of the ref playing too much injury time actually cause a problem? Not too often. Your idea is a knee jerk reaction to what happened yesterday and is entirely unnecessary, I thought all that was clear from my 'load of wank' statement. I agree and the time added was not even out of the ordinary, as proved on MOTD last night. With all the calls for technology being introduced, well I say fuck it, there's maybe 3 goals a season are over the line but aren't given, so what, there are maybe 5-10 controversial goals that have been scored over the alloted time, so fuck. Part of the charm of football is that it's largely the same rules we had 100 years ago, I don't see why technology has to play a massive part, if we keep altering the rules to accomodate technology and the right decision, where do we stop, do we end up with Americanised sport that has so many stops and starts, and is so scrutinised that we actually lose the sporting aspect? The referee and his assistance are not perfect, there are some decisions where occasionally you look at it, and you could argue that there is no right and no wrong, it's how it's interpreted, and I personally don't want to see the game taken away from human interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheMag 4 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 How often does the issue of the ref playing too much injury time actually cause a problem? Not too often. Your idea is a knee jerk reaction to what happened yesterday and is entirely unnecessary, I thought all that was clear from my 'load of wank' statement. I agree and the time added was not even out of the ordinary, as proved on MOTD last night. With all the calls for technology being introduced, well I say fuck it, there's maybe 3 goals a season are over the line but aren't given, so what, there are maybe 5-10 controversial goals that have been scored over the alloted time, so fuck. Part of the charm of football is that it's largely the same rules we had 100 years ago, I don't see why technology has to play a massive part, if we keep altering the rules to accomodate technology and the right decision, where do we stop, do we end up with Americanised sport that has so many stops and starts, and is so scrutinised that we actually lose the sporting aspect? The referee and his assistance are not perfect, there are some decisions where occasionally you look at it, and you could argue that there is no right and no wrong, it's how it's interpreted, and I personally don't want to see the game taken away from human interpretation. I mostly agree, but I think something should be instituted for the issue of whether or not a ball crosses the line of the goal. That wouldnt slow the game down at all and could only help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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