NJS 4256 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 At WMBA and Reading, we let the opposition in for a clear one on one in the opening 10 games, but the attacking calibre in this division is such that you can get away with it. I was thinking during the Leicester game how true the cliche about your mistakes being punished in the top flight is - I'm hoping the confidence brought by getting away with it and keeping clean sheets will actually reduce the mistakes - for example I think Collocini only made that one mistake at the end which is low for him. It could have cost us the points but didn't and that's what gives me hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 At WMBA and Reading, we let the opposition in for a clear one on one in the opening 10 games, but the attacking calibre in this division is such that you can get away with it. I was thinking during the Leicester game how true the cliche about your mistakes being punished in the top flight is - I'm hoping the confidence brought by getting away with it and keeping clean sheets will actually reduce the mistakes - for example I think Collocini only made that one mistake at the end which is low for him. It could have cost us the points but didn't and that's what gives me hope. As well as we've played, and we certainly have and the clean sheets are impressive, nearly every game we have dropped one clanger that in the prem would probably be punished, and thats the difference, to be a top defence in this league you can get away with a bit. That's not to take away from the lads at the back though who've been excellent by and large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manctoon 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 That's the thing for me, were more scared of imploding than anything this division has to offer. I agree, but that's only because or squad is so thin. I have no doubs that our strongest XI can cope with the next few games, but it worries me a little that we've only got two strikers and, when both of them don't play, we only have one shot on target in an entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbert Colon 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 At WMBA and Reading, we let the opposition in for a clear one on one in the opening 10 games, but the attacking calibre in this division is such that you can get away with it. I was thinking during the Leicester game how true the cliche about your mistakes being punished in the top flight is - I'm hoping the confidence brought by getting away with it and keeping clean sheets will actually reduce the mistakes - for example I think Collocini only made that one mistake at the end which is low for him. It could have cost us the points but didn't and that's what gives me hope. If you took todays performance, as an example, you would think half of the premier league teams would have knocked three past us just by taking advantage of defensive lapses and that is the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The coming three weeks will be a key part of the season, I think. If our season is going to be tested by anything, it's two games in a week for a few weeks. The fixture list has been kind though: Blackpool - promoted, beatable Plymouth - relegation zone, beatable Ipswich - struggling, beatable QPR - bottom home, beatable Peterborough - struggling, beatable. We should, on paper, win all those, but it's whether our squad will cope with the demand. But aren't these teams playing just as often as we will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4650 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The coming three weeks will be a key part of the season, I think. If our season is going to be tested by anything, it's two games in a week for a few weeks. The fixture list has been kind though: Blackpool - promoted, beatable Plymouth - relegation zone, beatable Ipswich - struggling, beatable QPR - bottom home, beatable Peterborough - struggling, beatable. We should, on paper, win all those, but it's whether our squad will cope with the demand. But aren't these teams playing just as often as we will be? they'll have been at it a while though, most of our lot have been in the top leagues for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The coming three weeks will be a key part of the season, I think. If our season is going to be tested by anything, it's two games in a week for a few weeks. The fixture list has been kind though: Blackpool - promoted, beatable Plymouth - relegation zone, beatable Ipswich - struggling, beatable QPR - bottom home, beatable Peterborough - struggling, beatable. We should, on paper, win all those, but it's whether our squad will cope with the demand. But aren't these teams playing just as often as we will be? they'll have been at it a while though, most of our lot have been in the top leagues for a while That's irrelevant, tbh. I'm sure our fitness will not be any worse than our opponents, who will be playing the same amount of games as us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manctoon 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) But aren't these teams playing just as often as we will be? Yes, but I don't know if their squads have more depth than ours. Edited September 13, 2009 by manctoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manctoon 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 That's irrelevant, tbh. I'm sure our fitness will not be any worse than our opponents, who will be playing the same amount of games as us. How can it be irrelevant when we've just played two games - two weeks apart - with no striker? Are you saying all those teams only have two strikers on their books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Can't start threads till we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 But aren't these teams playing just as often as we will be? Yes, but I don't know if their squads have more depth than ours. I agree with that. Someone posted the squad sizes a few days ago, but I can't recall where ours is in comparison to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 That's irrelevant, tbh. I'm sure our fitness will not be any worse than our opponents, who will be playing the same amount of games as us. How can it be irrelevant when we've just played two games - two weeks apart - with no striker? Are you saying all those teams only have two strikers on their books? I said the matter of us being in the Prem and the 'others' doing it in the Championship was irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manctoon 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I said the matter of us being in the Prem and the 'others' doing it in the Championship was irrelevant. Well, that's a fair point. But my opinion is that, out of six games, we've only comprehensively deserved to win one and the other five have just been a case of the Championship opposition being shite. So it's not us being good, and until I see more evidence of us being good, I won't believe talk of promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I said the matter of us being in the Prem and the 'others' doing it in the Championship was irrelevant. Well, that's a fair point. But my opinion is that, out of six games, we've only comprehensively deserved to win one and the other five have just been a case of the Championship opposition being shite. So it's not us being good, and until I see more evidence of us being good, I won't believe talk of promotion. But as you say the others are shite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Its still Newcastle we are talking about. If any club can find a way to fuck it up we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meshman 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 haway man, its like having one or two pints at the start of a weekend stag bender and feeling a bit drunk and up for it, next thing you know youve lost yer wallet, yer mates and been arrested for urinating in the town square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 i fully expect the squad to be further weakened by the end of januarys transfer window. lets not get our hopes up just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41318 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 haway man, its like having one or two pints at the start of a weekend stag bender and feeling a bit drunk and up for it, next thing you know youve lost yer wallet, yer mates and been arrested for urinating in the town square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsweeney 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The coming three weeks will be a key part of the season, I think. If our season is going to be tested by anything, it's two games in a week for a few weeks. The fixture list has been kind though: Blackpool - promoted, beatable Plymouth - relegation zone, beatable Ipswich - struggling, beatable QPR - bottom home, beatable Peterborough - struggling, beatable. We should, on paper, win all those, but it's whether our squad will cope with the demand. That's the thing for me, were more scared of imploding than anything this division has to offer. I agree. When was the last time that anything to do with our club could be described as stable. I'm not having a go at Acca, and I admire his optimism, but I really do fear that we don't have the depth to cope with this league 3 or 4 months from now. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsweeney 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 OK, here are the squads for the teams that I see that we'll be fighting it out with. I don't know enough of these players to know if they're experienced/decent or not. Boro: Flag of Australia GK Brad Jones2 Flag of England DF Justin Hoyte 3 Flag of England DF Andrew Taylor 4 Flag of England MF Matthew Bates 5 Flag of England DF Chris Riggott 6 Flag of Austria DF Emanuel Pogatetz (captain) 7 Flag of Ireland FW Mark Yeates 8 Flag of France MF Didier Digard 9 Flag of England FW Leroy Lita 10 Flag of France FW Jérémie Aliadière 11 Flag of the Netherlands FW Marvin Emnes 15 Flag of Egypt MF Mohamed Shawky 16 Flag of England MF Gary O'Neil 18 Flag of England MF Adam Johnson 20 Flag of Argentina MF Julio Arca 21 Flag of Wales GK Danny Coyne 22 Flag of England MF Josh Walker 23 Flag of England DF Jonathan Grounds 24 Flag of England DF Seb Hines 25 Flag of Australia DF Rhys Williams 26 Flag of England DF John Johnson 27 Flag of England DF Joe Bennett 28 Flag of England FW Jonathan Franks 29 Flag of England DF Tony McMahon 30 Flag of England GK Jason Steele 31 Flag of England DF David Wheater 26 in squad WBA: 1 Flag of Ireland GK Dean Kiely2 Flag of England DF Joe Mattock 3 Flag of Sweden DF Jonas Olsson (vice-captain)[104] 4 Flag of Slovakia DF Marek Čech 5 Flag of England DF Leon Barnett 6 Flag of England DF Neil Clement 7 Flag of Slovenia MF Robert Koren 9 Flag of the Czech Republic FW Roman Bednář 10 Flag of England FW Ishmael Miller 11 Flag of Northern Ireland MF Chris Brunt 14 Flag of England MF Jerome Thomas 15 Flag of New Zealand FW Chris Wood 16 Flag of England FW Luke Moore 17 Flag of Scotland MF Graham Dorrans 18 Flag of England FW Reuben Reid 19 Flag of England GK Scott Carson (club captain)[104] 20 Flag of Portugal MF Filipe Teixeira 21 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo MF Youssuf Mulumbu 22 Flag of the Netherlands DF Gianni Zuiverloon 23 Flag of Côte d'Ivoire DF Abdoulaye Méïté 24 Flag of the Netherlands Antilles DF Shelton Martis 27 Flag of Scotland MF James Morrison 30 Flag of England DF Paul Downing 31 Flag of England FW Simon Cox 32 Flag of England MF Lateef Elford-Alliyu 33 Flag of England DF Dwayne Samuels 34 Flag of Wales MF Josh Knight 35 Flag of England MF Romaine Sawyers 36 Flag of Chile DF Gonzalo Jara 29 in squad Blades: 2 Flag of England MF Ryan France3 Flag of Scotland DF Gary Naysmith 4 Flag of Scotland MF Nick Montgomery 5 Flag of England DF Chris Morgan (captain) 6 Flag of England DF Matthew Kilgallon 7 Flag of England FW Darius Henderson 9 Flag of Wales FW Ched Evans 10 Flag of England MF Kyel Reid 11 Flag of Wales MF David Cotterill 12 Flag of Jamaica MF Lee Williamson 13 Flag of England GK Ian Bennett 15 Flag of England MF James Harper (on loan from Reading) 16 Flag of England DF Andy Taylor 18 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Jamie Ward 19 Flag of England DF Jordan Stewart 23 Flag of England GK Mark Bunn (on loan from Blackburn Rovers) 25 Flag of England MF Glen Little 27 Flag of Ireland MF Keith Treacy (on loan from Blackburn Rovers) 28 Flag of Ireland MF Stephen Quinn 34 Flag of England DF Kyle Walker (on loan from Tottenham Hotspur) — Flag of Somalia FW Liban Abdi — Flag of Ireland DF Derek Geary — Flag of Ireland GK Paddy Kenny (Suspended to April, 2010) — Flag of Wales MF Gary Speed 24 in squad Cardiff: 1 Flag of Scotland GK David Marshall2 Flag of Scotland DF Kevin McNaughton 3 Flag of Ireland MF Mark Kennedy 4 Flag of Scotland MF Gavin Rae 5 Flag of England DF Mark Hudson 6 Flag of Hungary DF Gábor Gyepes 7 Flag of England MF Peter Whittingham 8 Flag of England FW Michael Chopra 9 Flag of England FW Jay Bothroyd 10 Flag of Ireland MF Stephen McPhail (vice-captain) 11 Flag of Scotland MF Chris Burke 12 Flag of Northern Ireland DF Tony Capaldi 14 Flag of Scotland DF Paul Quinn 15 Flag of England DF Anthony Gerrard 16 Flag of Wales MF Joe Ledley (vice-captain) 17 Flag of Nigeria MF Kelvin Etuhu (on loan from Manchester City) 18 Flag of Nigeria MF Solomon Taiwo 19 Flag of England MF Riccardo Scimeca 20 Flag of Finland GK Peter Enckelman 24 Flag of Guadeloupe DF Miguel Comminges 26 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Warren Feeney 27 Flag of Wales DF Adam Matthews 28 Flag of Wales MF Aaron Wildig 29 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Josh Magennis 32 Flag of Wales DF Aaron Morris 44 Flag of Scotland FW Ross McCormack 26 in squad Preston 1 Flag of England GK Andrew Lonergan2 Flag of Scotland DF Michael Hart 3 Flag of Scotland DF Callum Davidson 4 Flag of England MF Richard Chaplow 5 Flag of France DF Youl Mawéné 6 Flag of Scotland DF Neill Collins (on loan from Wolverhampton Wanderers) 7 Flag of England MF Chris Sedgwick 8 Flag of the Republic of Macedonia MF Veliče Šumulikoski 9 Flag of England FW Chris Brown 10 Flag of Scotland MF Barry Nicholson 11 Flag of England MF Darren Carter 12 Flag of Ireland DF Sean St Ledger 14 Flag of England DF Liam Chilvers 17 Flag of Wales MF Paul Parry 19 Flag of England DF Billy Jones 22 Flag of Ireland GK Wayne Henderson 25 Flag of Scotland MF Ross Wallace 26 Flag of England FW Jon Parkin 27 Flag of Ireland DF Eddie Nolan 29 Flag of Ireland FW Stephen Elliott 32 Flag of England DF Phil Quirk 33 Flag of England FW Neil Mellor 35 Flag of England MF Danny Mayor 36 Flag of England DF Tom Smyth 24 in squad Leicester 1 Flag of England GK Chris Weale2 Flag of Scotland DF Robbie Neilson 3 Flag of Northern Ireland DF Ryan McGivern (on loan from Manchester City) 4 Flag of England DF Michael Morrison 5 Flag of Bulgaria DF Aleksandar Tunchev 6 Flag of England DF Wayne Brown 7 Flag of Côte d'Ivoire MF Max Gradel 8 Flag of England MF Matt Oakley (Vice-Captain) 9 Flag of Scotland FW Steve Howard 10 Flag of Wales MF Andy King 11 Flag of England MF Lloyd Dyer 12 Flag of England FW Matty Fryatt 13 Flag of Ireland GK Conrad Logan 14 Flag of England MF Stephen Clemence (Captain) 15 Flag of Switzerland DF Bruno Berner 16 Flag of Wales MF Nicky Adams 17 Flag of France MF Dany N'Guessan 18 Flag of England FW Martyn Waghorn (on loan from Sunderland) 19 Flag of England MF Richie Wellens 20 Flag of England DF Luke O'Neill 22 Flag of France FW Yann Kermorgant 24 Flag of Scotland FW Paul Gallagher 25 Flag of England DF Jack Hobbs 26 Flag of Sweden MF Astrit Ajdarević 28 Flag of England MF Robbie Burns 29 Flag of England DF Chris Powell 35 Flag of England GK Carl Pentney –– Flag of England FW D. J. Campbell –– Flag of Australia GK Alex Cisak –– Flag of Scotland FW Craig King –– Flag of England DF Lathaniel Rowe-Turner 31 in squad Bristol: 2 Flag of England DF Bradley Orr3 Flag of Scotland DF Jamie McAllister 4 Flag of England DF Liam Fontaine 5 Flag of England DF Jamie McCombe 6 Flag of England DF Louis Carey (captain) 7 Flag of England MF Marvin Elliott 8 Flag of England MF Lee Johnson 9 Flag of Scotland FW David Clarkson 10 Flag of England FW Nicky Maynard 11 Flag of Scotland MF Paul Hartley 14 Flag of England MF Cole Skuse 15 Flag of Wales MF Gavin Williams 16 Flag of England FW John Akinde 17 Flag of Northern Ireland MF Ivan Sproule 19 Flag of Wales DF Christian Ribeiro 20 Flag of England DF Andre Blackman 22 Flag of England GK Dean Gerken 25 Flag of England MF Brian Wilson 27 Flag of England MF Ashley Kington 28 Flag of England DF Joe Edwards 29 Flag of England DF Jordan Walker 29 Flag of the Netherlands MF Evander Sno (on loan from AFC Ajax) 30 Flag of Ireland GK Stephen Henderson 31 Flag of England FW Danny Haynes 32 Flag of Wales DF Lewin Nyatanga 33 Flag of Costa Rica FW Álvaro Saborío (on loan from FC Sion) 35 Flag of Brazil GK Adriano Basso 27 in squad AND THE MIGHTY TOON: 1 Flag of England GK Steve Harper2 Flag of Argentina DF Fabricio Coloccini 3 Flag of Spain DF José Enrique 4 Flag of England MF Kevin Nolan 7 Flag of England MF Joey Barton 8 Flag of England MF Danny Guthrie 11 Flag of Denmark FW Peter Løvenkrands 12 Flag of England DF Danny Simpson (on loan from Manchester United) 16 Flag of England MF Ryan Taylor 17 Flag of England MF Alan Smith (vice-captain) 18 Flag of Argentina MF Jonás Gutiérrez 20 Flag of Cameroon MF Geremi 22 Flag of England MF Nicky Butt (captain) 23 Flag of England FW Shola Ameobi 24 Flag of England FW Andy Carroll 25 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo MF Kazenga LuaLua 26 Flag of the Netherlands GK Tim Krul 27 Flag of England DF Steven Taylor 28 Flag of Hungary DF Tamás Kádár 30 Flag of England FW Nile Ranger 31 Flag of the Netherlands FW Frank Wiafe Danquah 32 Flag of France MF Wesley Ngo Baheng 33 Flag of Sweden GK Ole Söderberg 35 Flag of England DF Ben Tozer 37 Flag of Ireland DF Callum Morris 42 Flag of England FW Ryan Donaldson 43 Flag of England MF Jonny Godsmark 45 Flag of England DF Darren Lough 46 Flag of Slovenia MF Haris Vučkić 47 Flag of Scotland MF Bradden Inman 30 in squad ---------------- OK then. What does this all mean? Maybe my fears about depth are mislaid a little. We have 30 while the average for the others listed is 26.7. So, really, we're all in the same boat together. We also have (arguably) a better standard of player against most of these sides. Really, the main problem will be WBA and Boro. Getting away with a draw away to West Brom was a great result--but we MUST win at home. But our games against Boro are the most important. Both come a long way into the season (at home in December, away to them in March), when the depth of the squad may be sorely tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Numbers-wise we appear to be fine. I am concerned about experience though... For the record, I am enjoying the ride and long may it continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsweeney 0 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 We have to make sure we keep apace with WBA and Boro. And when they stuff up and get a draw rather than a win, we must win. And when they lose ... well, it goes without saying ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accadacca 0 Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 OK, here are the squads for the teams that I see that we'll be fighting it out with. I don't know enough of these players to know if they're experienced/decent or not. Boro: Flag of Australia GK Brad Jones2 Flag of England DF Justin Hoyte 3 Flag of England DF Andrew Taylor 4 Flag of England MF Matthew Bates 5 Flag of England DF Chris Riggott 6 Flag of Austria DF Emanuel Pogatetz (captain) 7 Flag of Ireland FW Mark Yeates 8 Flag of France MF Didier Digard 9 Flag of England FW Leroy Lita 10 Flag of France FW Jérémie Aliadière 11 Flag of the Netherlands FW Marvin Emnes 15 Flag of Egypt MF Mohamed Shawky 16 Flag of England MF Gary O'Neil 18 Flag of England MF Adam Johnson 20 Flag of Argentina MF Julio Arca 21 Flag of Wales GK Danny Coyne 22 Flag of England MF Josh Walker 23 Flag of England DF Jonathan Grounds 24 Flag of England DF Seb Hines 25 Flag of Australia DF Rhys Williams 26 Flag of England DF John Johnson 27 Flag of England DF Joe Bennett 28 Flag of England FW Jonathan Franks 29 Flag of England DF Tony McMahon 30 Flag of England GK Jason Steele 31 Flag of England DF David Wheater 26 in squad WBA: 1 Flag of Ireland GK Dean Kiely2 Flag of England DF Joe Mattock 3 Flag of Sweden DF Jonas Olsson (vice-captain)[104] 4 Flag of Slovakia DF Marek Čech 5 Flag of England DF Leon Barnett 6 Flag of England DF Neil Clement 7 Flag of Slovenia MF Robert Koren 9 Flag of the Czech Republic FW Roman Bednář 10 Flag of England FW Ishmael Miller 11 Flag of Northern Ireland MF Chris Brunt 14 Flag of England MF Jerome Thomas 15 Flag of New Zealand FW Chris Wood 16 Flag of England FW Luke Moore 17 Flag of Scotland MF Graham Dorrans 18 Flag of England FW Reuben Reid 19 Flag of England GK Scott Carson (club captain)[104] 20 Flag of Portugal MF Filipe Teixeira 21 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo MF Youssuf Mulumbu 22 Flag of the Netherlands DF Gianni Zuiverloon 23 Flag of Côte d'Ivoire DF Abdoulaye Méïté 24 Flag of the Netherlands Antilles DF Shelton Martis 27 Flag of Scotland MF James Morrison 30 Flag of England DF Paul Downing 31 Flag of England FW Simon Cox 32 Flag of England MF Lateef Elford-Alliyu 33 Flag of England DF Dwayne Samuels 34 Flag of Wales MF Josh Knight 35 Flag of England MF Romaine Sawyers 36 Flag of Chile DF Gonzalo Jara 29 in squad Blades: 2 Flag of England MF Ryan France3 Flag of Scotland DF Gary Naysmith 4 Flag of Scotland MF Nick Montgomery 5 Flag of England DF Chris Morgan (captain) 6 Flag of England DF Matthew Kilgallon 7 Flag of England FW Darius Henderson 9 Flag of Wales FW Ched Evans 10 Flag of England MF Kyel Reid 11 Flag of Wales MF David Cotterill 12 Flag of Jamaica MF Lee Williamson 13 Flag of England GK Ian Bennett 15 Flag of England MF James Harper (on loan from Reading) 16 Flag of England DF Andy Taylor 18 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Jamie Ward 19 Flag of England DF Jordan Stewart 23 Flag of England GK Mark Bunn (on loan from Blackburn Rovers) 25 Flag of England MF Glen Little 27 Flag of Ireland MF Keith Treacy (on loan from Blackburn Rovers) 28 Flag of Ireland MF Stephen Quinn 34 Flag of England DF Kyle Walker (on loan from Tottenham Hotspur) — Flag of Somalia FW Liban Abdi — Flag of Ireland DF Derek Geary — Flag of Ireland GK Paddy Kenny (Suspended to April, 2010) — Flag of Wales MF Gary Speed 24 in squad Cardiff: 1 Flag of Scotland GK David Marshall2 Flag of Scotland DF Kevin McNaughton 3 Flag of Ireland MF Mark Kennedy 4 Flag of Scotland MF Gavin Rae 5 Flag of England DF Mark Hudson 6 Flag of Hungary DF Gábor Gyepes 7 Flag of England MF Peter Whittingham 8 Flag of England FW Michael Chopra 9 Flag of England FW Jay Bothroyd 10 Flag of Ireland MF Stephen McPhail (vice-captain) 11 Flag of Scotland MF Chris Burke 12 Flag of Northern Ireland DF Tony Capaldi 14 Flag of Scotland DF Paul Quinn 15 Flag of England DF Anthony Gerrard 16 Flag of Wales MF Joe Ledley (vice-captain) 17 Flag of Nigeria MF Kelvin Etuhu (on loan from Manchester City) 18 Flag of Nigeria MF Solomon Taiwo 19 Flag of England MF Riccardo Scimeca 20 Flag of Finland GK Peter Enckelman 24 Flag of Guadeloupe DF Miguel Comminges 26 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Warren Feeney 27 Flag of Wales DF Adam Matthews 28 Flag of Wales MF Aaron Wildig 29 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Josh Magennis 32 Flag of Wales DF Aaron Morris 44 Flag of Scotland FW Ross McCormack 26 in squad Preston 1 Flag of England GK Andrew Lonergan2 Flag of Scotland DF Michael Hart 3 Flag of Scotland DF Callum Davidson 4 Flag of England MF Richard Chaplow 5 Flag of France DF Youl Mawéné 6 Flag of Scotland DF Neill Collins (on loan from Wolverhampton Wanderers) 7 Flag of England MF Chris Sedgwick 8 Flag of the Republic of Macedonia MF Veliče Šumulikoski 9 Flag of England FW Chris Brown 10 Flag of Scotland MF Barry Nicholson 11 Flag of England MF Darren Carter 12 Flag of Ireland DF Sean St Ledger 14 Flag of England DF Liam Chilvers 17 Flag of Wales MF Paul Parry 19 Flag of England DF Billy Jones 22 Flag of Ireland GK Wayne Henderson 25 Flag of Scotland MF Ross Wallace 26 Flag of England FW Jon Parkin 27 Flag of Ireland DF Eddie Nolan 29 Flag of Ireland FW Stephen Elliott 32 Flag of England DF Phil Quirk 33 Flag of England FW Neil Mellor 35 Flag of England MF Danny Mayor 36 Flag of England DF Tom Smyth 24 in squad Leicester 1 Flag of England GK Chris Weale2 Flag of Scotland DF Robbie Neilson 3 Flag of Northern Ireland DF Ryan McGivern (on loan from Manchester City) 4 Flag of England DF Michael Morrison 5 Flag of Bulgaria DF Aleksandar Tunchev 6 Flag of England DF Wayne Brown 7 Flag of Côte d'Ivoire MF Max Gradel 8 Flag of England MF Matt Oakley (Vice-Captain) 9 Flag of Scotland FW Steve Howard 10 Flag of Wales MF Andy King 11 Flag of England MF Lloyd Dyer 12 Flag of England FW Matty Fryatt 13 Flag of Ireland GK Conrad Logan 14 Flag of England MF Stephen Clemence (Captain) 15 Flag of Switzerland DF Bruno Berner 16 Flag of Wales MF Nicky Adams 17 Flag of France MF Dany N'Guessan 18 Flag of England FW Martyn Waghorn (on loan from Sunderland) 19 Flag of England MF Richie Wellens 20 Flag of England DF Luke O'Neill 22 Flag of France FW Yann Kermorgant 24 Flag of Scotland FW Paul Gallagher 25 Flag of England DF Jack Hobbs 26 Flag of Sweden MF Astrit Ajdarević 28 Flag of England MF Robbie Burns 29 Flag of England DF Chris Powell 35 Flag of England GK Carl Pentney –– Flag of England FW D. J. Campbell –– Flag of Australia GK Alex Cisak –– Flag of Scotland FW Craig King –– Flag of England DF Lathaniel Rowe-Turner 31 in squad Bristol: 2 Flag of England DF Bradley Orr3 Flag of Scotland DF Jamie McAllister 4 Flag of England DF Liam Fontaine 5 Flag of England DF Jamie McCombe 6 Flag of England DF Louis Carey (captain) 7 Flag of England MF Marvin Elliott 8 Flag of England MF Lee Johnson 9 Flag of Scotland FW David Clarkson 10 Flag of England FW Nicky Maynard 11 Flag of Scotland MF Paul Hartley 14 Flag of England MF Cole Skuse 15 Flag of Wales MF Gavin Williams 16 Flag of England FW John Akinde 17 Flag of Northern Ireland MF Ivan Sproule 19 Flag of Wales DF Christian Ribeiro 20 Flag of England DF Andre Blackman 22 Flag of England GK Dean Gerken 25 Flag of England MF Brian Wilson 27 Flag of England MF Ashley Kington 28 Flag of England DF Joe Edwards 29 Flag of England DF Jordan Walker 29 Flag of the Netherlands MF Evander Sno (on loan from AFC Ajax) 30 Flag of Ireland GK Stephen Henderson 31 Flag of England FW Danny Haynes 32 Flag of Wales DF Lewin Nyatanga 33 Flag of Costa Rica FW Álvaro Saborío (on loan from FC Sion) 35 Flag of Brazil GK Adriano Basso 27 in squad AND THE MIGHTY TOON: 1 Flag of England GK Steve Harper2 Flag of Argentina DF Fabricio Coloccini 3 Flag of Spain DF José Enrique 4 Flag of England MF Kevin Nolan 7 Flag of England MF Joey Barton 8 Flag of England MF Danny Guthrie 11 Flag of Denmark FW Peter Løvenkrands 12 Flag of England DF Danny Simpson (on loan from Manchester United) 16 Flag of England MF Ryan Taylor 17 Flag of England MF Alan Smith (vice-captain) 18 Flag of Argentina MF Jonás Gutiérrez 20 Flag of Cameroon MF Geremi 22 Flag of England MF Nicky Butt (captain) 23 Flag of England FW Shola Ameobi 24 Flag of England FW Andy Carroll 25 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo MF Kazenga LuaLua 26 Flag of the Netherlands GK Tim Krul 27 Flag of England DF Steven Taylor 28 Flag of Hungary DF Tamás Kádár 30 Flag of England FW Nile Ranger 31 Flag of the Netherlands FW Frank Wiafe Danquah 32 Flag of France MF Wesley Ngo Baheng 33 Flag of Sweden GK Ole Söderberg 35 Flag of England DF Ben Tozer 37 Flag of Ireland DF Callum Morris 42 Flag of England FW Ryan Donaldson 43 Flag of England MF Jonny Godsmark 45 Flag of England DF Darren Lough 46 Flag of Slovenia MF Haris Vučkić 47 Flag of Scotland MF Bradden Inman 30 in squad ---------------- OK then. What does this all mean? Maybe my fears about depth are mislaid a little. We have 30 while the average for the others listed is 26.7. So, really, we're all in the same boat together. We also have (arguably) a better standard of player against most of these sides. Really, the main problem will be WBA and Boro. Getting away with a draw away to West Brom was a great result--but we MUST win at home. But our games against Boro are the most important. Both come a long way into the season (at home in December, away to them in March), when the depth of the squad may be sorely tested. said this last week. to be sure of going up, 90 points will be needed - just cannot see that not being achieved to those lads earlier in the thread describing me as ''kid'' thankyou, as when you're nearing 50, even misplaced and eroneous commnents are welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 OK, here are the squads for the teams that I see that we'll be fighting it out with. I don't know enough of these players to know if they're experienced/decent or not. Boro: Flag of Australia GK Brad Jones2 Flag of England DF Justin Hoyte 3 Flag of England DF Andrew Taylor 4 Flag of England MF Matthew Bates 5 Flag of England DF Chris Riggott 6 Flag of Austria DF Emanuel Pogatetz (captain) 7 Flag of Ireland FW Mark Yeates 8 Flag of France MF Didier Digard 9 Flag of England FW Leroy Lita 10 Flag of France FW Jérémie Aliadière 11 Flag of the Netherlands FW Marvin Emnes 15 Flag of Egypt MF Mohamed Shawky 16 Flag of England MF Gary O'Neil 18 Flag of England MF Adam Johnson 20 Flag of Argentina MF Julio Arca 21 Flag of Wales GK Danny Coyne 22 Flag of England MF Josh Walker 23 Flag of England DF Jonathan Grounds 24 Flag of England DF Seb Hines 25 Flag of Australia DF Rhys Williams 26 Flag of England DF John Johnson 27 Flag of England DF Joe Bennett 28 Flag of England FW Jonathan Franks 29 Flag of England DF Tony McMahon 30 Flag of England GK Jason Steele 31 Flag of England DF David Wheater 26 in squad WBA: 1 Flag of Ireland GK Dean Kiely2 Flag of England DF Joe Mattock 3 Flag of Sweden DF Jonas Olsson (vice-captain)[104] 4 Flag of Slovakia DF Marek Čech 5 Flag of England DF Leon Barnett 6 Flag of England DF Neil Clement 7 Flag of Slovenia MF Robert Koren 9 Flag of the Czech Republic FW Roman Bednář 10 Flag of England FW Ishmael Miller 11 Flag of Northern Ireland MF Chris Brunt 14 Flag of England MF Jerome Thomas 15 Flag of New Zealand FW Chris Wood 16 Flag of England FW Luke Moore 17 Flag of Scotland MF Graham Dorrans 18 Flag of England FW Reuben Reid 19 Flag of England GK Scott Carson (club captain)[104] 20 Flag of Portugal MF Filipe Teixeira 21 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo MF Youssuf Mulumbu 22 Flag of the Netherlands DF Gianni Zuiverloon 23 Flag of Côte d'Ivoire DF Abdoulaye Méïté 24 Flag of the Netherlands Antilles DF Shelton Martis 27 Flag of Scotland MF James Morrison 30 Flag of England DF Paul Downing 31 Flag of England FW Simon Cox 32 Flag of England MF Lateef Elford-Alliyu 33 Flag of England DF Dwayne Samuels 34 Flag of Wales MF Josh Knight 35 Flag of England MF Romaine Sawyers 36 Flag of Chile DF Gonzalo Jara 29 in squad Blades: 2 Flag of England MF Ryan France3 Flag of Scotland DF Gary Naysmith 4 Flag of Scotland MF Nick Montgomery 5 Flag of England DF Chris Morgan (captain) 6 Flag of England DF Matthew Kilgallon 7 Flag of England FW Darius Henderson 9 Flag of Wales FW Ched Evans 10 Flag of England MF Kyel Reid 11 Flag of Wales MF David Cotterill 12 Flag of Jamaica MF Lee Williamson 13 Flag of England GK Ian Bennett 15 Flag of England MF James Harper (on loan from Reading) 16 Flag of England DF Andy Taylor 18 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Jamie Ward 19 Flag of England DF Jordan Stewart 23 Flag of England GK Mark Bunn (on loan from Blackburn Rovers) 25 Flag of England MF Glen Little 27 Flag of Ireland MF Keith Treacy (on loan from Blackburn Rovers) 28 Flag of Ireland MF Stephen Quinn 34 Flag of England DF Kyle Walker (on loan from Tottenham Hotspur) — Flag of Somalia FW Liban Abdi — Flag of Ireland DF Derek Geary — Flag of Ireland GK Paddy Kenny (Suspended to April, 2010) — Flag of Wales MF Gary Speed 24 in squad Cardiff: 1 Flag of Scotland GK David Marshall2 Flag of Scotland DF Kevin McNaughton 3 Flag of Ireland MF Mark Kennedy 4 Flag of Scotland MF Gavin Rae 5 Flag of England DF Mark Hudson 6 Flag of Hungary DF Gábor Gyepes 7 Flag of England MF Peter Whittingham 8 Flag of England FW Michael Chopra 9 Flag of England FW Jay Bothroyd 10 Flag of Ireland MF Stephen McPhail (vice-captain) 11 Flag of Scotland MF Chris Burke 12 Flag of Northern Ireland DF Tony Capaldi 14 Flag of Scotland DF Paul Quinn 15 Flag of England DF Anthony Gerrard 16 Flag of Wales MF Joe Ledley (vice-captain) 17 Flag of Nigeria MF Kelvin Etuhu (on loan from Manchester City) 18 Flag of Nigeria MF Solomon Taiwo 19 Flag of England MF Riccardo Scimeca 20 Flag of Finland GK Peter Enckelman 24 Flag of Guadeloupe DF Miguel Comminges 26 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Warren Feeney 27 Flag of Wales DF Adam Matthews 28 Flag of Wales MF Aaron Wildig 29 Flag of Northern Ireland FW Josh Magennis 32 Flag of Wales DF Aaron Morris 44 Flag of Scotland FW Ross McCormack 26 in squad Preston 1 Flag of England GK Andrew Lonergan2 Flag of Scotland DF Michael Hart 3 Flag of Scotland DF Callum Davidson 4 Flag of England MF Richard Chaplow 5 Flag of France DF Youl Mawéné 6 Flag of Scotland DF Neill Collins (on loan from Wolverhampton Wanderers) 7 Flag of England MF Chris Sedgwick 8 Flag of the Republic of Macedonia MF Veliče Šumulikoski 9 Flag of England FW Chris Brown 10 Flag of Scotland MF Barry Nicholson 11 Flag of England MF Darren Carter 12 Flag of Ireland DF Sean St Ledger 14 Flag of England DF Liam Chilvers 17 Flag of Wales MF Paul Parry 19 Flag of England DF Billy Jones 22 Flag of Ireland GK Wayne Henderson 25 Flag of Scotland MF Ross Wallace 26 Flag of England FW Jon Parkin 27 Flag of Ireland DF Eddie Nolan 29 Flag of Ireland FW Stephen Elliott 32 Flag of England DF Phil Quirk 33 Flag of England FW Neil Mellor 35 Flag of England MF Danny Mayor 36 Flag of England DF Tom Smyth 24 in squad Leicester 1 Flag of England GK Chris Weale2 Flag of Scotland DF Robbie Neilson 3 Flag of Northern Ireland DF Ryan McGivern (on loan from Manchester City) 4 Flag of England DF Michael Morrison 5 Flag of Bulgaria DF Aleksandar Tunchev 6 Flag of England DF Wayne Brown 7 Flag of Côte d'Ivoire MF Max Gradel 8 Flag of England MF Matt Oakley (Vice-Captain) 9 Flag of Scotland FW Steve Howard 10 Flag of Wales MF Andy King 11 Flag of England MF Lloyd Dyer 12 Flag of England FW Matty Fryatt 13 Flag of Ireland GK Conrad Logan 14 Flag of England MF Stephen Clemence (Captain) 15 Flag of Switzerland DF Bruno Berner 16 Flag of Wales MF Nicky Adams 17 Flag of France MF Dany N'Guessan 18 Flag of England FW Martyn Waghorn (on loan from Sunderland) 19 Flag of England MF Richie Wellens 20 Flag of England DF Luke O'Neill 22 Flag of France FW Yann Kermorgant 24 Flag of Scotland FW Paul Gallagher 25 Flag of England DF Jack Hobbs 26 Flag of Sweden MF Astrit Ajdarević 28 Flag of England MF Robbie Burns 29 Flag of England DF Chris Powell 35 Flag of England GK Carl Pentney –– Flag of England FW D. J. Campbell –– Flag of Australia GK Alex Cisak –– Flag of Scotland FW Craig King –– Flag of England DF Lathaniel Rowe-Turner 31 in squad Bristol: 2 Flag of England DF Bradley Orr3 Flag of Scotland DF Jamie McAllister 4 Flag of England DF Liam Fontaine 5 Flag of England DF Jamie McCombe 6 Flag of England DF Louis Carey (captain) 7 Flag of England MF Marvin Elliott 8 Flag of England MF Lee Johnson 9 Flag of Scotland FW David Clarkson 10 Flag of England FW Nicky Maynard 11 Flag of Scotland MF Paul Hartley 14 Flag of England MF Cole Skuse 15 Flag of Wales MF Gavin Williams 16 Flag of England FW John Akinde 17 Flag of Northern Ireland MF Ivan Sproule 19 Flag of Wales DF Christian Ribeiro 20 Flag of England DF Andre Blackman 22 Flag of England GK Dean Gerken 25 Flag of England MF Brian Wilson 27 Flag of England MF Ashley Kington 28 Flag of England DF Joe Edwards 29 Flag of England DF Jordan Walker 29 Flag of the Netherlands MF Evander Sno (on loan from AFC Ajax) 30 Flag of Ireland GK Stephen Henderson 31 Flag of England FW Danny Haynes 32 Flag of Wales DF Lewin Nyatanga 33 Flag of Costa Rica FW Álvaro Saborío (on loan from FC Sion) 35 Flag of Brazil GK Adriano Basso 27 in squad AND THE MIGHTY TOON: 1 Flag of England GK Steve Harper2 Flag of Argentina DF Fabricio Coloccini 3 Flag of Spain DF José Enrique 4 Flag of England MF Kevin Nolan 7 Flag of England MF Joey Barton 8 Flag of England MF Danny Guthrie 11 Flag of Denmark FW Peter Løvenkrands 12 Flag of England DF Danny Simpson (on loan from Manchester United) 16 Flag of England MF Ryan Taylor 17 Flag of England MF Alan Smith (vice-captain) 18 Flag of Argentina MF Jonás Gutiérrez 20 Flag of Cameroon MF Geremi 22 Flag of England MF Nicky Butt (captain) 23 Flag of England FW Shola Ameobi 24 Flag of England FW Andy Carroll 25 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo MF Kazenga LuaLua 26 Flag of the Netherlands GK Tim Krul 27 Flag of England DF Steven Taylor 28 Flag of Hungary DF Tamás Kádár 30 Flag of England FW Nile Ranger 31 Flag of the Netherlands FW Frank Wiafe Danquah 32 Flag of France MF Wesley Ngo Baheng 33 Flag of Sweden GK Ole Söderberg 35 Flag of England DF Ben Tozer 37 Flag of Ireland DF Callum Morris 42 Flag of England FW Ryan Donaldson 43 Flag of England MF Jonny Godsmark 45 Flag of England DF Darren Lough 46 Flag of Slovenia MF Haris Vučkić 47 Flag of Scotland MF Bradden Inman 30 in squad ---------------- OK then. What does this all mean? Maybe my fears about depth are mislaid a little. We have 30 while the average for the others listed is 26.7. So, really, we're all in the same boat together. We also have (arguably) a better standard of player against most of these sides. Really, the main problem will be WBA and Boro. Getting away with a draw away to West Brom was a great result--but we MUST win at home. But our games against Boro are the most important. Both come a long way into the season (at home in December, away to them in March), when the depth of the squad may be sorely tested. said this last week. to be sure of going up, 90 points will be needed - just cannot see that not being achieved to those lads earlier in the thread describing me as ''kid'' thankyou, as when you're nearing 50, even misplaced and eroneous commnents are welcome Which is why I said you had the mental age of a 10 year old, the other day Oh, and you're still younger than me - KID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Experience and drive will play out to be a big factor, as others have said it's nice while we're trundling along at the top and winning like we are but a few injuries could be all the difference. I always used to have blind optimism but over the last few years it's been knocked out of me by the club, I can't help feeling that something will go pear-shaped sooner or later. Hope the good times last though obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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