OTF 7698 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I for the life of me cannot figure our why we ever bought this kid. When the £5.7million was shelled out for the then 22 year old we had the following strikers on our books: Michael Owen, Obafemi Martins, Mark Viduka, Shola Ameobi, Andy Carroll and potentially Alan Smith and Damien Duff (not to mention some of the younger players coming throught the reserves and youth sides). With that roster, even taking into account their penchant for injuries it was hard to envision Xisco getting any sort of playing time - and yet the money was paid (along with the reported to be excessive wages). With the highest profile three of these players having left the club this season you would think that suddenly this Spanish U21 striker would be in with a chance of playing? Not so it seems, with Andy Carroll and Shola Ameobi preferred for starting roles. Even still, you'd expect that he may be given a run off the bench? - Nope we'll leave that to the last minute and bestow that upon Nile Ranger (granted Ranger is a promising young player, with plenty of raw talent). Even Nolan I would say is a preferred option over Xisco up front (probably Alan Smith and Damien Duff too). I'm guessing he would be sold in a heartbeat if any sort of offer was forthcoming for him. Even though he has said that he loves the city and the people I'm sure Xisco himself would love to be at a club where he gets a fair chance at playing. Noone could realistically expect him to adapt to the differences in the English game when he's not actually playing. At the opposite end of the spectrum you have Fabricio Coloccini, an Argentine international of apparent great experience. His time at Newcastle has been an unmitigated disaster. Despite his repeated failings and frailties he just about can't get himself out of the team (spare for the period where Shearer was in charge). He's been given more than 35 games to adapt to the English game and as yet has shown no signs of doing so. Still, I expect we'll see his name sour our team sheet this weekend. I guess I can't really expect any sort of explanation for the shambolic approach to the development of this kid, largely because there is numerous other nonsensical happenings at the club that demand more attention. Even still the mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordiejihad 0 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 It was so Dennis Wise could have someone to bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 It was so Dennis Wise could have someone to bum. Not a bad theory. Nothing else about the transfer makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bob Almighty! 0 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Maybe if he really was a Keegan signing he wanted extra cover for: Owen- always crocked. Martins- also always crocked and shite when not crocked. Viduka- crocked more than Owen and Martins put together. Ameobi- Utter, utter, utter shite. Smith- incapable of scoring and utter shite. Caroll- largely untested in the prem. that would be my guess, and maybe he had it in mind to shift some others in January, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cid_MCDP 0 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Either... 1) Xisco should play in hopes of clunking in a few so management can move him 2) Xisco should play in hopes he actually lives up to that transfer fee Either way, not playing him is stupid. Nobody is going to take a chance on him if he never sees the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Either... 1) Xisco should play in hopes of clunking in a few so management can move him 2) Xisco should play in hopes he actually lives up to that transfer fee Either way, not playing him is stupid. Nobody is going to take a chance on him if he never sees the pitch. Or either, he is that dreadful in training and in the reserves that playing him would give us even less chance of promotion which will cost us a lot more than the transfer fee and wages put together and some. He's not played under 4 managers so far, I think we should accept he is garbage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheMag 4 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 quite good for me in fm, scored 30 goals in the champ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7698 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 Or either, he is that dreadful in training and in the reserves that playing him would give us even less chance of promotion which will cost us a lot more than the transfer fee and wages put together and some. He's not played under 4 managers so far, I think we should accept he is garbage! I've read numerous reports where he has played well in reserves matches. He did also suffer a broken toe at one stage when it looked like he was going to have some involvement in the first team. I can understand why he wasn't used in the final run of games last season as he had no premier league experience and would not have been fully match fit. Plenty of other times in the season though where he could have been given a go. I'd like to see him be given a string of games to establish and prove himsefl in our side. We've got nothing to lose really.. it's not as though Shola has done anything good in recent history. I suppose the one detractor is that he's probably (based on minimal viewing granted) reasonably similar in the way he plays to Andy Carroll, though Carroll likely has more mongrel/fight in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6836 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Either... 1) Xisco should play in hopes of clunking in a few so management can move him 2) Xisco should play in hopes he actually lives up to that transfer fee Either way, not playing him is stupid. Nobody is going to take a chance on him if he never sees the pitch. Or either, he is that dreadful in training and in the reserves that playing him would give us even less chance of promotion which will cost us a lot more than the transfer fee and wages put together and some. He's not played under 4 managers so far, I think we should accept he is garbage! Can he be any worse than Shola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Xisco looking shite is probably the fans fault too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Either... 1) Xisco should play in hopes of clunking in a few so management can move him 2) Xisco should play in hopes he actually lives up to that transfer fee Either way, not playing him is stupid. Nobody is going to take a chance on him if he never sees the pitch. Or either, he is that dreadful in training and in the reserves that playing him would give us even less chance of promotion which will cost us a lot more than the transfer fee and wages put together and some. He's not played under 4 managers so far, I think we should accept he is garbage! Can he be any worse than Shola? Of course he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Or either, he is that dreadful in training and in the reserves that playing him would give us even less chance of promotion which will cost us a lot more than the transfer fee and wages put together and some. He's not played under 4 managers so far, I think we should accept he is garbage! I've read numerous reports where he has played well in reserves matches. He did also suffer a broken toe at one stage when it looked like he was going to have some involvement in the first team. I can understand why he wasn't used in the final run of games last season as he had no premier league experience and would not have been fully match fit. Plenty of other times in the season though where he could have been given a go. I'd like to see him be given a string of games to establish and prove himsefl in our side. We've got nothing to lose really.. it's not as though Shola has done anything good in recent history. I suppose the one detractor is that he's probably (based on minimal viewing granted) reasonably similar in the way he plays to Andy Carroll, though Carroll likely has more mongrel/fight in him. Not from what I've seen. And I totally disagree that we've got nothing to lose. We have to find a striker that is capable of scoring 20 goals a season and Xisco has shown me and none of the four aforementioned managers anything to suggest that he's the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 It's obvious to me that we're differring the next installment on him until next season by not playing. By which time we'll obviously be back in the PL and he'll become our top scorer. Either that or he isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cid_MCDP 0 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Bet Xisco thinks our away strip is Fabulous! Wanker will probably buy it! STOP SUPPORTING ASHLEY YOU TWAT!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7698 Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) And I totally disagree that we've got nothing to lose. We have to find a striker that is capable of scoring 20 goals a season and Xisco has shown me and none of the four aforementioned managers anything to suggest that he's the man. Nobody is going to disagree that we need a striker capable of scoring 20 goals a season. Xisco is not really the man for that. I'm only really going off what Deportivo fans were saying about him during his time there, but he seems like a player who plays a bit with his back to goal, who can operate as a lone striker. To effecively perform in a role like that you need to gel with the other players in the side, something that's not possible if you're not playing in first string games. What the hell, lets just continue to let him rot and pick up wages on our bench with occassional reserve team runs. Sure it means his value will decrease faster than a Coloccini, but I just can't see him cracking a spot in the first team ahead of our imaginary 20 goals a season striker. ...and for the sake of anyone who missed my point (thankfully seems to be the minority) I was essentially wondering why he was bought (for so much money) if he's not going to be played. Edited August 12, 2009 by OzToonFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 And I totally disagree that we've got nothing to lose. We have to find a striker that is capable of scoring 20 goals a season and Xisco has shown me and none of the four aforementioned managers anything to suggest that he's the man. Nobody is going to disagree that we need a striker capable of scoring 20 goals a season. Xisco is not really the man for that. I'm only really going off what Deportivo fans were saying about him during his time there, but he seems like a player who plays a bit with his back to goal, who can operate as a lone striker. To effecively perform in a role like that you need to gel with the other players in the side, something that's not possible if you're not playing in first string games. What the hell, lets just continue to let him rot and pick up wages on our bench with occassional reserve team runs. Sure it means his value will decrease faster than a Coloccini, but I just can't see him cracking a spot in the first team ahead of our imaginary 20 goals a season striker. ...and for the sake of anyone who missed my point (thankfully seems to be the minority) I was essentially wondering why he was bought (for so much money) if he's not going to be played. I rarely believe transfer fees, we might not have paid much upfront for him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Either... 1) Xisco should play in hopes of clunking in a few so management can move him 2) Xisco should play in hopes he actually lives up to that transfer fee Either way, not playing him is stupid. Nobody is going to take a chance on him if he never sees the pitch. Or either, he is that dreadful in training and in the reserves that playing him would give us even less chance of promotion which will cost us a lot more than the transfer fee and wages put together and some. He's not played under 4 managers so far, I think we should accept he is garbage! Can he be any worse than Shola? Of course he can be. Definitely should have played Xisco, it's a mystery how he doesn't get a game before Shola... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7698 Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Was shocked to actually see him get on the pitch on the weekend. I'm guessing he may play another cameo in the Sheffield Wednesday match. After Shola he's technically the most experienced striker we have (unless Smith is still counted as a striker). Less Premiership experience than Carroll, but played 44 games from 2006-2008 for Deportivo in La Liga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I wanna see him play more. I think he could be a force for us. Obviously not performing on the training ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3589 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I wanna see him play more. I think he could be a force for us. Obviously not swallowing on the training ground because he misses big Den FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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