Bloody hell.

[The Fish 10965]

By VIRGINIA WHEELER

 

and LYNSEY HAYWOOD

 

Published: Today

 

 

A MUM who has had 13 children is pregnant with her 14th - even though ALL her kids have been taken into care.

 

Last night brazen baby machine Theresa Winters, 36, vowed to carry on having children until social workers let her and jobless partner Toney Housden, 36, keep ONE.

 

Defiant Theresa, who lives on benefits in Luton, Beds, declared: "We're not giving up. For every child they take away from me, I'm going to have another one."

 

Theresa, who has had 13 kids, told The Sun of her determination after revealing she is expecting her 14th in November.

 

ALL the children were taken into care by social workers who had grave concerns about neglect and "lack of parenting ability" demonstrated by Theresa and her jobless partner Toney Housden.

 

But the couple, who admit they had problems and could be "aggressive" in the past, insist they are now capable of raising a youngster.

 

 

And Theresa, 36, said: "We just want to be a family. I won't stop until they let me keep one."

 

Last night the couple's actions were branded "scandalous" and "outrageous" by critics.

 

Cost

 

And pressure group the Taxpayers' Alliance called Theresa "extremely irresponsible" as it emerged the cost of the care has run into MILLIONS of pounds - paid from the public purse.

 

Theresa and Toney, 36, live in a one-bedroom council flat outside Luton, Beds, on benefits totalling £1,100 a month.

 

Both smoked throughout their interview with The Sun despite Theresa's pregnancy.

 

The serial mum has been expecting every year of her adult life except 2004.

 

 

Several of her children were born with disabilities.

 

But all have been legally adopted except a boy now aged 14 who has cerebral palsy. He remains in foster care which has cost an estimated £2.3million over the past ten years.

 

Theresa, who has also suffered a miscarriage, had her first child, a girl, in 1992 when she was 19.

 

The girl, now 17, and a boy now aged 15 were fathered by her first husband Frederick, who she divorced. He later died of cancer.

 

She then had three boys, now 14, 13 and 12, with Toney.

 

Two girls now ten and nine, another boy aged eight and a girl of seven followed.

 

The couple's next baby died at 18 months after he was born with Pheo Syndrome, a rare condition which stops the brain developing properly.

 

But they went on to have two more girls, now aged three and two. Their last baby, a boy, was born in March 2008.

 

The first four children were taken away from the parents after their second birthdays.

 

Social workers took the others, including the boy who subsequently died, within hours of their births.

 

Two boys have since been diagnosed with Pheo Syndrome. And the seven-year-old girl is blind.

 

All Theresa and Toney have is a handful of photos of some of the children as tots - and 13 birth certificates.

 

Toney said: "We are strangers to those kids but maybe one day they will come looking for us. I hope they do."

 

Theresa claimed she was wrongly accused of abandoning her latest child.

 

She said: "I gave birth at 7.25pm and at 10pm I was told he was being taken into intensive care and I couldn't see him.

 

"I went home as I wanted the support of my friends and family. We went to the hospital with Toney's mum the next day to see the baby - and he'd gone.

 

"The council filed a report saying we abandoned him. But I never did. I wanted to see him. We never had a phone call, nothing. We have never seen him again."

 

The couple said they had been so desperate to keep the boy they worked with Luton Council's social services and went to pre-birth assessment classes.

 

They hoped care workers would agree they had changed.

 

And they attended sessions in which they were asked how they would cope with children in various circumstances, such as when they were ill. But they said it was all to no avail. They also insisted they agreed to have private counselling as long as it was paid for by the council.

 

But social services told them to attend a free group session instead.

 

They refused, saying they did not want to air their issues in front of strangers.

 

They have asked the council about the possibility of another pre-birth assessment this time around. But they say there has been no response.

 

 

Latest arrival ... boy born March 2008

 

Theresa said: "We are being treated like murderers." She added: "If this one is taken away from me I will try for another one. I don't want to because of my health. But we so desperately want to be a little family.

 

"I want them to give us a chance. If we can't cope I will be the first to admit that and we will never try for children again. But I really think we can do it this time."

 

Both Theresa and Toney have been accused of being violent towards children but have never been arrested.

 

Theresa said: "Back when I was 19 I was aggressive but never towards the kids. I told them off as any normal person would. I shouted at them but I never hit them.

 

"I could shout at the social workers. I used to get very upset about allegations I was beating the kids up. They only saw that if I was aggressive towards them, I could be aggressive towards the kids." Toney also admitted he sometimes lost his temper with the children, but said: "I don't believe in smacking them."

 

The dad insisted he would "love" to work. But he said: "I want to do it for the right reasons - to support my family. But at the moment the council won't let us be a family."

 

Luton North MP Kelvin Hopkins has looked into the case.

 

A letter sent to him by the council said Theresa and Toney cannot keep their children due to "concerns about severe neglect, lack of parenting ability and the consequent risk to any child in their care".

 

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It added assessments carried out over the years "had not revealed any significant change in lifestyle or reduction in risk".

 

Last night ex-Shadow Home Secretary Ann Widdecombe said: "It's scandalous this woman has had so many children. But what can you do? There is nothing the State can do to stop her."

 

Fellow Tory MP Philip Davies said: "This is a totally outrageous case and clearly highlights the dependency culture that exists in this country."

 

Mark Wallace, of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "It's unfair for this mum to simply keep having children in the full knowledge they will be taken into care."

[Guest alex]

Welly top.

[The Fish 10965]

I reckon the 12th and thirteenth would have to brace the hands against the inside of her clunge every time she went for shit. /FrankieBoyle

[Fop 1]

Speaking at her home in Northampton, Mrs Walls said: 'Whenever I have asked her why she keeps getting pregnant when she knows the baby will be taken off her she says, I don't give a s*** - I just want the Government to pay for them.

 

'It's pure spite. As long as she is not allowed to keep a child her attitude seems to be that she will get her own back by making the authorities pay to look after them and bring them up.

 

'She has told me she will only stop getting pregnant the day they stop taking a baby off her.

 

 

 

They really need to negatively link benefits to having more than 2 kids, we'll never get the UK down to it's 30m optimum population otherwise.

[The Fish 10965]

Speaking at her home in Northampton, Mrs Walls said: 'Whenever I have asked her why she keeps getting pregnant when she knows the baby will be taken off her she says, I don't give a s*** - I just want the Government to pay for them.

 

'It's pure spite. As long as she is not allowed to keep a child her attitude seems to be that she will get her own back by making the authorities pay to look after them and bring them up.

 

'She has told me she will only stop getting pregnant the day they stop taking a baby off her.

 

 

 

They really need to negatively link benefits to having more than 2 kids, we'll never get the UK down to it's 30m optimum population otherwise.

 

 

But how do you stop a case like this though? Given that she's not receiving benefits for the kids (as they're not in her care) she can just keep firing them out like a slapper shaped Pez Dispenser. Any reduction is benefits wouldn't affect her.

 

Could she investigated with a view to getting a conviction for negligence? Smoking while pregnant would be the first clue and I'd wager it wouldn't be hard to find other eivdence of her showing disregard for life?

 

Either way, could someone can post the pictures of her and Toney ( that spelling ) because I'm unable to do that , but want people to share in the horror...

[Park Life 71]

Where is this fukin cull Fish and Fop © have promised for so long??

[The Fish 10965]

Give us time man, he wants the breadcrumbs to lead back to New Scotland Yard crumbling that austere institution and I want the police to do it brutally with Tasers in full view of CCTV cameras but get away scot free!

[Renton 22001]

Speaking at her home in Northampton, Mrs Walls said: 'Whenever I have asked her why she keeps getting pregnant when she knows the baby will be taken off her she says, I don't give a s*** - I just want the Government to pay for them.

 

'It's pure spite. As long as she is not allowed to keep a child her attitude seems to be that she will get her own back by making the authorities pay to look after them and bring them up.

 

'She has told me she will only stop getting pregnant the day they stop taking a baby off her.

 

 

 

They really need to negatively link benefits to having more than 2 kids, we'll never get the UK down to it's 30m optimum population otherwise.

 

 

But how do you stop a case like this though? Given that she's not receiving benefits for the kids (as they're not in her care) she can just keep firing them out like a slapper shaped Pez Dispenser. Any reduction is benefits wouldn't affect her.

 

Could she investigated with a view to getting a conviction for negligence? Smoking while pregnant would be the first clue and I'd wager it wouldn't be hard to find other eivdence of her showing disregard for life?

 

Either way, could someone can post the pictures of her and Toney ( that spelling ) because I'm unable to do that , but want people to share in the horror...

 

Pics in The Sun.

[The Fish 10965]

I know they're there, I wanted someone to post em in here. I can't host them and was hoping some kindly individual wouldn't mind imageshacking them or something.

[Fop 1]

But how do you stop a case like this though? Given that she's not receiving benefits for the kids (as they're not in her care) she can just keep firing them out like a slapper shaped Pez Dispenser. Any reduction is benefits wouldn't affect her.

 

Could she investigated with a view to getting a conviction for negligence? Smoking while pregnant would be the first clue and I'd wager it wouldn't be hard to find other eivdence of her showing disregard for life?

 

Either way, could someone can post the pictures of her and Toney ( that spelling ) because I'm unable to do that , but want people to share in the horror...

 

For every child over your allotted 2 reduce all benefits a person/couple gets by X% (you could even still X% on income tax to get the rich mass breeders too ).

 

The other option is the 3rd world one of paying them a decent lump sum to be neutered (that would probably control immigration too - "yes, of course, you are welcome here, but.... we're going to give you a little snip first").

 

Or both.

 

 

Harsh, but humanity is mired in its own masses and things will only get worse until that is changed.

 

 

 

 

 

Where is this fukin cull Fish and Fop © have promised for so long??

 

 

Why do you think Chris is being so quiet.

[Renton 22001]

I know they're there, I wanted someone to post em in here. I can't host them and was hoping some kindly individual wouldn't mind imageshacking them or something.

 

Like I or anyone else can be arsed to do that!

 

To anyone that can't be arsed to look at the link, they look like a typical Boro couple.

[ewerk 31203]

FFS, it takes 15 seconds to link it from the Sun website.

 

 

[Guest alex]

If only they'd been immigrants then the story would have been perfect.

[Fop 1]

If only they'd been immigrants then the story would have been perfect.

 

 

Old news.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7215624.stm

[Gemmill 46031]

To get her pregnant once may be regarded as a misfortune, etc.

[Park Life 71]

If only they'd been immigrants then the story would have been perfect.

 

You knows it bro.

[Fop 1]

This has some quite scary statistics though.

 

 

1.6 children British born women residing in the UK

4.7 children Pakistani born women residing in the UK

 

70m in the UK by 2028 (70% of the 10m increase from immigration).

 

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Sterilise 'em, filthy dolescum.

[The Fish 10965]

But how do you stop a case like this though? Given that she's not receiving benefits for the kids (as they're not in her care) she can just keep firing them out like a slapper shaped Pez Dispenser. Any reduction is benefits wouldn't affect her.

 

Could she investigated with a view to getting a conviction for negligence? Smoking while pregnant would be the first clue and I'd wager it wouldn't be hard to find other eivdence of her showing disregard for life?

 

Either way, could someone can post the pictures of her and Toney ( that spelling ) because I'm unable to do that , but want people to share in the horror...

 

For every child over your allotted 2 reduce all benefits a person/couple gets by X% (you could even still X% on income tax to get the rich mass breeders too ).

 

No I get that, I meant in this case, where the parents aren't recieving benefits for the children. Unless you mean that even though they're not financially supportnig the child, their benefit would be reduced regardless?

[Craig 6700]

Thread title is oxymoronic surely if she's pregnant??

[The Fish 10965]

Thread title is oxymoronic surely if she's pregnant??

 

I'm guessing childbirth is pretty bloody, and her screams could surely be likened to the wailing of damned souls?

 

so no, Craig, no I wouldn't say it was.

 

 

[Renton 22001]

But how do you stop a case like this though? Given that she's not receiving benefits for the kids (as they're not in her care) she can just keep firing them out like a slapper shaped Pez Dispenser. Any reduction is benefits wouldn't affect her.

 

Could she investigated with a view to getting a conviction for negligence? Smoking while pregnant would be the first clue and I'd wager it wouldn't be hard to find other eivdence of her showing disregard for life?

 

Either way, could someone can post the pictures of her and Toney ( that spelling ) because I'm unable to do that , but want people to share in the horror...

 

For every child over your allotted 2 reduce all benefits a person/couple gets by X% (you could even still X% on income tax to get the rich mass breeders too ).

 

No I get that, I meant in this case, where the parents aren't recieving benefits for the children. Unless you mean that even though they're not financially supportnig the child, their benefit would be reduced regardless?

 

Ultimately a lot of people would breed regardless (like this couple but less extreme) and it would be the children that would suffer most. Fuck knows what the answer is like.

[Fop 1]

But how do you stop a case like this though? Given that she's not receiving benefits for the kids (as they're not in her care) she can just keep firing them out like a slapper shaped Pez Dispenser. Any reduction is benefits wouldn't affect her.

 

Could she investigated with a view to getting a conviction for negligence? Smoking while pregnant would be the first clue and I'd wager it wouldn't be hard to find other eivdence of her showing disregard for life?

 

Either way, could someone can post the pictures of her and Toney ( that spelling ) because I'm unable to do that , but want people to share in the horror...

 

For every child over your allotted 2 reduce all benefits a person/couple gets by X% (you could even still X% on income tax to get the rich mass breeders too ).

 

No I get that, I meant in this case, where the parents aren't recieving benefits for the children. Unless you mean that even though they're not financially supportnig the child, their benefit would be reduced regardless?

 

 

 

Ultimately a lot of people would breed regardless (like this couple but less extreme) and it would be the children that would suffer most. Fuck knows what the answer is like.

 

Losing their Sky TV and fags would be a big incentive, add to that an alluring one off payment for sterilisation and 30m is looking a lot closer.

[The Fish 10965]

Wouldn't paid sterilisation encourage law-suits later on, whereby the claimant states they weren't fully aware of the facts when they agreed to it and that circumstances change and it's impossible for them to have forseen that they were going to break off with the on-off boyfriend who didn't want kids and get with the man of their dreams who does?

 

I say that anybody who has more than two kids and is on benefits, has to buy their shop from a WHO dictated shopping list, or even better, have their benefits "paid" by way of food parcels, books, musical instruments and sports equipment.

[Fop 1]

Wouldn't paid sterilisation encourage law-suits later on, whereby the claimant states they weren't fully aware of the facts when they agreed to it and that circumstances change and it's impossible for them to have forseen that they were going to break off with the on-off boyfriend who didn't want kids and get with the man of their dreams who does?

 

I say that anybody who has more than two kids and is on benefits, has to buy their shop from a WHO dictated shopping list, or even better, have their benefits "paid" by way of food parcels, books, musical instruments and sports equipment.

 

Just bang them up under anti-terror legislation.