Guest alex Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. True. I've always loved the way that the way the kids are taught their positions at Ajax, carries them right through to the national side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. True. I've always loved the way that the way the kids are taught their positions at Ajax, carries them right through to the national side. Thing about Brazil though is that even with four at the back it was all about the full-backs getting forward and it's always been a position held in high esteem there going back to Nilton Santos through to players like Carlos Alberto and Cafu and R. Carlos in more recent times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I think Wenger is class but I don't think he should be that high on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. True. I've always loved the way that the way the kids are taught their positions at Ajax, carries them right through to the national side. Thing about Brazil though is that even with four at the back it was all about the full-backs getting forward and it's always been a position held in high esteem there going back to Nilton Santos through to players like Carlos Alberto and Cafu and R. Carlos in more recent times. The worst I've seen is the 6 at the back that won Greece the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. When Carlos Alberto scored his famous goal in the 1970 world cup final he did it whilst playing in what would be called today a "wing back" system, alongside 3 centre backs....the next time anyone says "who's ever won anything with 3 at the back?" just tell them probably the greatest team in football history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I think Wenger is class but I don't think he should be that high on the list. Red nose is too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. When Carlos Alberto scored his famous goal in the 1970 world cup final he did it whilst playing in what would be called today a "wing back" system, alongside 3 centre backs....the next time anyone says "who's ever won anything with 3 at the back?" just tell them probably the greatest team in football history I was under the impression that they played 4-3-3 in that tournament. I thought 3-5-2 with wing-backs came about via Argentina in '86. I suppose different people will theorise differently about these things as the best / most effective formations are fluid rather than rigid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. When Carlos Alberto scored his famous goal in the 1970 world cup final he did it whilst playing in what would be called today a "wing back" system, alongside 3 centre backs....the next time anyone says "who's ever won anything with 3 at the back?" just tell them probably the greatest team in football history I was under the impression that they played 4-3-3 in that tournament. I thought 3-5-2 with wing-backs came about via Argentina in '86. I suppose different people will theorise differently about these things as the best / most effective formations are fluid rather than rigid. You're probably right mate.....I've not got to that chapter in the book, but I did hear Rodney Marsh say it on the box once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Brazilian 352 or the Dutch 343 have always been my faves. Only really used that (in terms of the national team) for the first time in 2002 I think and that was pretty 'European' way of playing with two DMs and the emphasis on Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting foward in the wing back position. Fair enough, it allowed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Rivaldo to play in attacking roles but the classic Brazilian teams with attacking flair always had four at the back. When Carlos Alberto scored his famous goal in the 1970 world cup final he did it whilst playing in what would be called today a "wing back" system, alongside 3 centre backs....the next time anyone says "who's ever won anything with 3 at the back?" just tell them probably the greatest team in football history I was under the impression that they played 4-3-3 in that tournament. I thought 3-5-2 with wing-backs came about via Argentina in '86. I suppose different people will theorise differently about these things as the best / most effective formations are fluid rather than rigid. You're probably right mate.....I've not got to that chapter in the book, but I did hear Rodney Marsh say it on the box once Case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13836 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 3. Graeme Souness 2. Joe Kinnear 1. Chris Hughton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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