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"Mr Johnson stunned the Prime Minister and his senior advisers by declaring that holding an identity card would never be compulsory for British citizens.

The Sunday Telegraph has established that Number 10 had no idea that the Home Secretary would arbitrarily change the previous policy – that ministers would legislate to make ID cards compulsory once a certain proportion of the population held them."

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...rdon-Brown.html

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Whether it's true or not, can't help but feel it's the massive tax raised they are already planning that is at least partially behind this (along with the potential court case), not some philosophical shift from really wanting all their citizens tattooed microchiped.

 

 

Either that or he's one of the 3 Labour MPs that have decided to actually fight the next election (rather than standing down and scraping by on the best pension still in existence).

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Whether it's true or not, can't help but feel it's the massive tax raised they are already planning that is at least partially behind this (along with the potential court case), not some philosophical shift from really wanting all their citizens tattooed microchiped.

 

 

Either that or he's one of the 3 Labour MPs that have decided to actually fight the next election (rather than standing down and scraping by on the best pension still in existence).

 

This obsession with data what the fuck is it about anyway? Nobody reads it (they'd have to hire an army of admin clerks)....

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Whether it's true or not, can't help but feel it's the massive tax raised they are already planning that is at least partially behind this (along with the potential court case), not some philosophical shift from really wanting all their citizens tattooed microchiped.

 

 

Either that or he's one of the 3 Labour MPs that have decided to actually fight the next election (rather than standing down and scraping by on the best pension still in existence).

 

This obsession with data what the fuck is it about anyway? Nobody reads it (they'd have to hire an army of admin clerks)....

 

 

Brazil, fookin gr8!! film!

 

oh, and id cards? they'll probably rear their ugly heads again cos the Eu ;) is pushing for them.

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Whether it's true or not, can't help but feel it's the massive tax raised they are already planning that is at least partially behind this (along with the potential court case), not some philosophical shift from really wanting all their citizens tattooed microchiped.

 

 

Either that or he's one of the 3 Labour MPs that have decided to actually fight the next election (rather than standing down and scraping by on the best pension still in existence).

 

This obsession with data what the fuck is it about anyway? Nobody reads it (they'd have to hire an army of admin clerks)....

 

 

Brazil, fookin gr8!! film!

 

oh, and id cards? they'll probably rear their ugly heads again cos the Eu :lol: is pushing for them.

 

 

Well we need to get out of the EU then. ;)

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"they'll probably rear their ugly heads again cos the Eu mad.gif is pushing for them"

 

Evidence please

 

From 2006. shows the government/eu was thinkin about them back then and most probably before. i know its the mail but sometimes they get things right!!

 

 

 

Government taking EU lead over ID cardsLast updated at 09:46 26 March 2006

 

A fresh row over ID cards has erupted after a leaked Home Office memo showed that the Government is trying to cover up the way the scheme is linked to new EU laws.

The memo obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveals that ID cards are to be launched in 2009 as the timing fits in with passport changes in the rest of Europe.

It says this is being kept secret for 'political reasons' - and because the Blair Government is copying the EU changes although it has the legal right to refuse.

The disclosure comes in the middle of a tug-of-war between the Commons and Lords over Government moves to force millions of Britons to obtain ID cards.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke has been accused of breaking a Labour manifesto pledge that the cards would be "voluntary" after insisting that, from 2009, everyone who applies for or renews their passport will have to obtain an ID card

too. The leaked memo written by Home Office ID cards policy chief Stephen Harrison advises Mr Clarke on how to defeat the latest Lords bid to reject compulsory biometric ID cards, which will contain fingerprints, "eyeprints" and a facial scan.

It says the Government has not given the full facts about the timing of the ID cards scheme, "whereas it would really be linked with implementation of the EU directive (which we intend to mirror) probably around 2009".

The memo indicates that by then EU biometric passports will be "the norm throughout Europe (though politically I think it would be difficult to have an explicit link with an EU directive - especially one from which we are technically excluded)".

Under the Schengen Agreement of 1985, Margaret Thatcher won the right for Britain to retain control over borders and passports from the EU.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said last night: "The cat is out of the bag on ID cards. The Government has constantly changed its mind over why ID cards are being introduced and what they are for. Until now they have always said that they are being brought in for the good of the country.

"This memo reveals the truth: this whole exercise is subordinate to a European Union diktat. Furthermore it is one which we do not even have to obey."

A Home Office spokesman said: "There is no secret plot. We always made it clear that one of the reasons for having biometric passports is that the EU and the US are making similar changes.

"The link between new passports and ID cards in Britain is not because of the EU directive, it is caused by other factors such as the amount of time it will take to obtain Royal Assent for the legislation."

The campaign to stop ID cards being made compulsory will be boosted this week by Lady Thatcher's former Cabinet Secretary Lord Armstrong.

The independent peer has tabled an amendment supported by Tory and Lib Dem peers which would give people the right to opt out of having to apply for an ID card when they apply for a new passport or renew an existing one.

"I believe this is an important issue of personal freedom," he said.

But Labour officials say Mr Clarke is determined to force through the new law, if necessary by using the Parliament Act to crush rebel peers.

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Ummm - the article refers to an EU "diktat" - but on passports - not ID cards

 

The plan is to standardise what is on PASSPORTS - and the current UK passports already contains more information than almost any other Yuropean passport so , in fact, the rest of Yurop is being asked to conform to our standard...............................................

 

The give-away comes with the words "Daily Mail"

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Ummm - the article refers to an EU "diktat" - but on passports - not ID cards

 

The plan is to standardise what is on PASSPORTS - and the current UK passports already contains more information than almost any other Yuropean passport so , in fact, the rest of Yurop is being asked to conform to our standard...............................................

 

The give-away comes with the words "Daily Mail"

 

 

 

yup correct, but if you actually read the article instead of just looking at the words 'daily mail' (actually sunday mail article) you'll notice that there is absolutely no denial that id cards are required and desired by the eu. ergo, we're gonna get em, no matter what any bullshit politician tells ya! the eu dictates, the member countrys conform. plans for id cards are rolling out all europe. what makes us different??

 

Rob W, are you employed by the eu in some capacity??

 

 

 

 

edit: During the UK Presidency of the EU in 2005 a decision was made to: "Agree common standards for security features and secure issuing procedures for ID cards (December 2005), with detailed standards agreed as soon as possible thereafter. In this respect, the UK Presidency has put forward a proposal for EU-wide use of biometrics in national ID cards."

 

 

this relates directly to the quotes above.

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The french love their id cards, dont see any problems here with them.

 

Well good for them.

Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too.

 

Can't understand the fuzz about it.

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The french love their id cards, dont see any problems here with them.

 

Well good for them.

Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too.

 

Can't understand the fuzz about it.

 

 

 

whats this? (bolded bit)

 

edit: never mind, just looked it up.

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The french love their id cards, dont see any problems here with them.

 

Well good for them.

Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too.

 

Can't understand the fuzz about it.

 

 

 

whats this? (bolded bit)

 

German version of the personal id card.

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The french love their id cards, dont see any problems here with them.

 

Well good for them.

Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too.

 

Can't understand the fuzz about it.

 

 

 

whats this? (bolded bit)

 

German version of the personal id card.

 

 

so is this in addition to a passport?, or does it replace it?

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The french love their id cards, dont see any problems here with them.

 

Well good for them.

Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too.

 

Can't understand the fuzz about it.

 

 

 

whats this? (bolded bit)

 

German version of the personal id card.

 

 

so is this in addition to a passport?, or does it replace it?

 

No idea. I carry nothing and change my mobile every 2 months and have a special pill that induces immediate memory loss on capture. ;)

 

 

I think Mrs P has both. But for flights within the EU the Ausweise is enough.

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Not arsed about them to be honest.

 

You will be when a nanobot eats yer brain.

 

 

;) pffft, they'd give up the search after half an hour.

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The french love their id cards, dont see any problems here with them.

 

Well good for them.

Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too.

 

Can't understand the fuzz about it.

 

 

 

whats this? (bolded bit)

 

German version of the personal id card.

 

 

so is this in addition to a passport?, or does it replace it?

It's an addition.

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The french love their id cards, dont see any problems here with them.

 

Well good for them.

Those Personalausweise here are quite handy, too.

 

Can't understand the fuzz about it.

 

 

 

whats this? (bolded bit)

 

German version of the personal id card.

 

 

so is this in addition to a passport?, or does it replace it?

It's an addition.

Same in France. ID card is fine for travel under Schengen.

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