Fop 1 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 UK 'most evil'. Clearly better at spin than our fat cunts. The were caught completely flat-footed, it just taking a while for the Iranian PR machine to get up through the gears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 PR machine being "extreme measures" to prevent freedom of speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 they've been studying the Met's methods............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) PR machine being "extreme measures" to prevent freedom of speech? Iran has one of the best PR machines going (internal and external). The fact that anyone thinks it is anything like a democracy shows that (and people do). But they've been caught out recently due to being unable to blame everything on the USA, and that they probably over-rigged the election without realising it and totally misjudged public reaction to doing that. The internal machine will be promoting President Dinnerjacker and loyalty to the Ayatollah (whilst trying to invent an "enemy" to distract people - like the "evil" UK etc.), the external one will be trying to project a view of limited descent and general peacefulness (hiding the crackdowns). It's a sad situation because "peace" is likely to be remaining under tyrants (initially it looked like they might offer a fudge with a reformist president instead - but not to much now), and "freedom" will likely mean civil war. Edited June 21, 2009 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 mind its funny that we call on Iran "not to use violence and to respect the rights of people to demonstrate" - just like we do with Saudi eh? Now THERE is a place run by tyrants - the difference is they are "our" tyrants I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 mind its funny that we call on Iran "not to use violence and to respect the rights of people to demonstrate" - just like we do with Saudi eh? Now THERE is a place run by tyrants - the difference is they are "our" tyrants I guess Most of the area is, in fact there's probably not one decent Government in the area. Although in Saudi's case as the alternative is almost certainly to be an extremist takfiri regime (probably very similar to Afghanistan under the Taliban) it wouldn't exactly be a nirvana and would in fact be an awful lot worse. The big difference with Iran (and one the ruling council is regretting about now) is the sham of Democracy there, if they survive till next time they'll be back to banning all the candidates they don't want, rather than rigging the vote directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Ironic - "terrorists" in Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 PR machine being "extreme measures" to prevent freedom of speech? Iran has one of the best PR machines going (internal and external). The fact that anyone thinks it is anything like a democracy shows that (and people do). But they've been caught out recently due to being unable to blame everything on the USA, and that they probably over-rigged the election without realising it and totally misjudged public reaction to doing that. The internal machine will be promoting President Dinnerjacker and loyalty to the Ayatollah (whilst trying to invent an "enemy" to distract people - like the "evil" UK etc.), the external one will be trying to project a view of limited descent and general peacefulness (hiding the crackdowns). It's a sad situation because "peace" is likely to be remaining under tyrants (initially it looked like they might offer a fudge with a reformist president instead - but not to much now), and "freedom" will likely mean civil war. No one in their right minds gives a fuck about freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 PR machine being "extreme measures" to prevent freedom of speech? Iran has one of the best PR machines going (internal and external). The fact that anyone thinks it is anything like a democracy shows that (and people do). But they've been caught out recently due to being unable to blame everything on the USA, and that they probably over-rigged the election without realising it and totally misjudged public reaction to doing that. The internal machine will be promoting President Dinnerjacker and loyalty to the Ayatollah (whilst trying to invent an "enemy" to distract people - like the "evil" UK etc.), the external one will be trying to project a view of limited descent and general peacefulness (hiding the crackdowns). It's a sad situation because "peace" is likely to be remaining under tyrants (initially it looked like they might offer a fudge with a reformist president instead - but not to much now), and "freedom" will likely mean civil war. No one in their right minds gives a fuck about freedom. "Change™"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 What would people do with freedom anyway the little cunts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) What would people do with freedom anyway the little cunts? Exchange it for McD's vouchers most likely. - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8111695.stm Edited June 21, 2009 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 He can't even overthrow Brown, never mind Dinnerjacket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 same old, same old, probably won't work as effectively these days though. If the bogeyman won't play the part it gets even harder to invent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Iranians have been told that the election was fair, that they should accept it and if they protest on the streets they risk getting hurt. Happy Face and Ewok doing their bit in Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Death video girl 'targeted by militia'. There's a link on the BBC site (towards the bottom of the page linked) to the youtube footage of her dying. Anyone that wonders about the price of freedom should watch that video - Fop would post a directly link but Tom undoubtedly would have a fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Fop would post a directly link but Tom undoubtedly would have a fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) Death video girl 'targeted by militia'. There's a link on the BBC site (towards the bottom of the page linked) to the youtube footage of her dying. Anyone that wonders about the price of freedom should watch that video - Fop would post a directly link but Tom undoubtedly would have a fit. (that video should be shown uncut on national news worldwide though) Edited June 23, 2009 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Does anyone know why Iran accused the west of meddling? Was it simply because they didnt like the reporting from the BBC/CNN etc or was there something else at play? I'm not saying the west is implicated in anything that has happened but one thing struck me whilst watching CNN last week, there was utter glee in the reporting style that the regime in Iran had opposition from moderates on the street. What was also amusing (and interesting from a general media perspective) was the inability to actually get any original content from their own media, relying on twitter and youtube mnust have been galling. Anyway, the amount of 'ooh look at the rebellious avatars from an anonymous user that could be inside iran' was bizarre. I know the attitudes of the newsdesks must be pretty defiant since they've all been kicked out but it has been also been distateful too imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Does anyone know why Iran accused the west of meddling? Was it simply because they didnt like the reporting from the BBC/CNN etc or was there something else at play? I'm not saying the west is implicated in anything that has happened but one thing struck me whilst watching CNN last week, there was utter glee in the reporting style that the regime in Iran had opposition from moderates on the street. What was also amusing (and interesting from a general media perspective) was the inability to actually get any original content from their own media, relying on twitter and youtube mnust have been galling. Anyway, the amount of 'ooh look at the rebellious avatars from an anonymous user that could be inside iran' was bizarre. I know the attitudes of the newsdesks must be pretty defiant since they've all been kicked out but it has been also been distateful too imo. I can't imagine the West isn't knee deep in dirty tricks in Eyeran at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I imagine they're shitting themselves at having 'lost' the people and are now jumping on anything to take the attention away from the election result. I don't think there's anything more sinister at play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Does anyone know why Iran accused the west of meddling? Was it simply because they didnt like the reporting from the BBC/CNN etc or was there something else at play? If you look at how Iran has been controlled you can see why. So long as they have a bogeyman then can keep control, without that bogeyman (and Obama is hard to paint as that - hence why the UK is getting it now), and with the new technology making it hard for them to limit information they are having a problem. Dinnerjacket isn't very popular in Iran, but against Bushism his rhetoric did at least touch a cord with Iranian jingoism. Now they are more concerned with their own economy and indeed their own votes counting. That video of Neda Agha-Soltan (it keeps being removed on you-tube, but google her name and you'll find it - and shocking as it is, it is a very poignant image ) is a perfect example of this, a few years ago no one would have heard of hers, now her murder and moment of death has been watched by millions of people, in an outside of Iran, in only a day or two of it being publicly aired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I know why they are doing it. They have been careful not to accuse the US directly but instead the 'instruments of western imperialism'. The Brits have got in the neck directly, there was a very fervent anti-british protest at Tehran university last week. Wouldnt surprise me though if there had been some covert politcial activity in the country over the past few years, its part of our MO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11080 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 It's a shame that it's very unlikely that her death will bring any real change, that at least could have been some kind of comfort. Comfort's probably not the right word, but you know where I'm going with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I know why they are doing it. They have been careful not to accuse the US directly but instead the 'instruments of western imperialism'. The Brits have got in the neck directly, there was a very fervent anti-british protest at Tehran university last week. Wouldnt surprise me though if there had been some covert politcial activity in the country over the past few years, its part of our MO. It will have been well organised by the Iranian Government. It's doubtful the West is doing much in Iran (they simply don't have too), as Fop said Dinnerjacket is very unpopular and the majority of Iranians. Most Iranian are under 30 and don't even remember the Iranian Revolution, they just know what they aren't allowed to do and now that their votes are worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 It's a shame that it's very unlikely that her death will bring any real change, that at least could have been some kind of comfort. Comfort's probably not the right word, but you know where I'm going with this. By all accounts the video of her death is causing quite a stir in Iran itself, not that it would be any comfort to her or her family, of course. But it's very striking footage, it could just be a digital clarion call for change and freedom there. It could in fact be a similar focal point to the video of the Taliban beating that girl in Pakistan, which helped completely flip public opinion within Pakistan itself on the Taliban and was also largely distributed and seen on the internet initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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