Men 'out-performed at university'

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Men 'out-performed at university'

 

Students give their views on the success of women

 

By Sean Coughlan

BBC News education reporter

 

Female students are ahead of men in almost every measure of UK university achievement, according to a report from higher education researchers.

 

A Higher Education Policy Institute report shows that women are more likely to get places in the top universities and go on to get better grades.

 

Women also outnumber men in high status subjects, such as law and medicine.

 

The institute's director, Bahram Bekhradnia, says the cause of this gender gap remains uncertain.

 

Women have been entering university in greater numbers than men in recent years - with the participation rate for young women standing at 49%, compared with 38% of young men.

 

'Good degrees'

 

The study disproves the notion that men dominate in the most highly-regarded subjects and institutions.

 

It found that women are taking more places at prestigious Russell Group universities and on the most sought-after courses.

 

It means changing a mindset that continues to see males as advantaged and females as disadvantaged... that is emphatically not the case in higher education

Higher Education Policy Institute

 

The only exception is for Oxford and Cambridge, where men and women are now level.

 

There are also still some subject areas, such as courses related to maths, physics and technology, where men are in the majority.

 

But the overall picture shows a consistent trend in women substantially outnumbering men.

 

There are more women on part-time and full-time courses and women account for a higher proportion of younger and mature students.

 

In degree grades, women are more likely to gain "good degrees" - taking first class and upper seconds together - while men are more likely to gain lower seconds and thirds.

 

However male students still maintain a narrow lead in firsts - 13.9% to 13% of those who graduate.

 

According to the report, women's greater success in gaining university places and achieving better degrees extends across different social classes and ethnic groups.

 

Exam barrier

 

But finding the cause for this is less straightforward.

 

"We just don't know," said Mr Bekhradnia.

 

The success of female students is a global trend

 

The introduction of GCSEs in the late 1980s coincided with the time that girls began to overtake boys in academic achievement.

 

However the report also shows that the greater success of women in education is a global pattern - suggesting it is more than the local circumstances of particular types of exam.

 

Another factor suggested in the gender gap is that boys' academic performance is weakening as much as girls' is improving.

 

A science test taken by 11 and 12-year-olds in the mid-1970s had been successfully passed by 54% of boys and 27% of girls.

 

Outreach programmes such as Aimhigher seek to engage and inspire young boys to go to university

Department for Business, Innovation and Skills spokesman

 

When the same test was taken in 2003, the scores for both boys and girls had fallen to 17% - a much more rapid decline for boys.

 

While young women have been entering university in greater numbers and achieving academic success, too many young men have been underperforming, suggests the report.

 

And while there is still a "mindset that continues to see males as advantaged and females as disadvantaged... that is emphatically not the case in higher education".

 

In response to the report, a spokesman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, said: "This government is committed to ensuring that everyone with talent and ability to succeed should be given the opportunity to do so whatever their background, gender or race.

 

"It is essential that we continue to tackle differences in aspirations, which is why outreach programmes such as Aimhigher seek to engage and inspire young boys to go to university through targeted activity around sport, science and music."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8085011.stm

 

Grading discrimination? Social/Cultural pressures? Beer?

[ChezGiven 0]

Who gives a shit, we still earn more than them.

[The Fish 11080]

plus we can reverse park and piss standing up, I think we won the gender lottery tbh

[Fop 1]

Who gives a shit, we still earn more than them.

 

That just until salaries are decided in the ♀ toilets.

[ChezGiven 0]

Who gives a shit, we still earn more than them.

 

That just until salaries are decided in the ♀ toilets.

 

If they dont give me what i want, i'll cry and take 3 months off.

[Howay 12496]

On my Law course there are definitely a lot more lasses than lads, the thing I've noticed is lasses take tests much more seriously than lads during both my GCSE's and A-levels the only revision I really did was an hour or so the night before same went for most lads in my year whereas the lasses had been hammering the revision and had been nervous for weeks.

Another thing is the lasses on my course seem a lot more organized, colour coding things and writing in certain ink colours for certain topics, re-writing notes if they're messy etc.

Deffo agree with above posts though we've won the gender lottery like

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

On my Law course there are definitely a lot more lasses than lads, the thing I've noticed is lasses take tests much more seriously than lads during both my GCSE's and A-levels the only revision I really did was an hour or so the night before same went for most lads in my year whereas the lasses had been hammering the revision and had been nervous for weeks.

Another thing is the lasses on my course seem a lot more organized, colour coding things and writing in certain ink colours for certain topics, re-writing notes if they're messy etc.

Deffo agree with above posts though we've won the gender lottery like

They can definitely be more organised and conscientious, but they'll always be mental.

 

I think blokes are more easily distracted by the drinking/societies/casual relationship opportunities a good uni offers.

[Tom 14021]

I think that Women take the education aspect of University more seriously and tend to be a lot more stressed about it and think long term.

 

Blokes enjoy drinking and causing as much trouble as possible, University comes second.

[sammynb 3644]

On my Law course there are definitely a lot more lasses than lads, the thing I've noticed is lasses take tests much more seriously than lads during both my GCSE's and A-levels the only revision I really did was an hour or so the night before same went for most lads in my year whereas the lasses had been hammering the revision and had been nervous for weeks.

Another thing is the lasses on my course seem a lot more organized, colour coding things and writing in certain ink colours for certain topics, re-writing notes if they're messy etc.

Deffo agree with above posts though we've won the gender lottery like

 

Is it just me or is it amusing to see Barton studying law???

Edited June 8, 2009 by sammynb

[Tom 14021]

'Know your enemy'

[snakehips 0]

Men 'out-performed at university'

 

Students give their views on the success of women

 

By Sean Coughlan

BBC News education reporter

 

Female students are ahead of men in almost every measure of UK university achievement, according to a report from higher education researchers.

 

A Higher Education Policy Institute report shows that women are more likely to get places in the top universities and go on to get better grades.

 

Women also outnumber men in high status subjects, such as law and medicine.

 

The institute's director, Bahram Bekhradnia, says the cause of this gender gap remains uncertain.

 

Women have been entering university in greater numbers than men in recent years - with the participation rate for young women standing at 49%, compared with 38% of young men.

 

'Good degrees'

 

The study disproves the notion that men dominate in the most highly-regarded subjects and institutions.

 

It found that women are taking more places at prestigious Russell Group universities and on the most sought-after courses.

 

It means changing a mindset that continues to see males as advantaged and females as disadvantaged... that is emphatically not the case in higher education

Higher Education Policy Institute

 

The only exception is for Oxford and Cambridge, where men and women are now level.

 

There are also still some subject areas, such as courses related to maths, physics and technology, where men are in the majority.

 

But the overall picture shows a consistent trend in women substantially outnumbering men.

 

There are more women on part-time and full-time courses and women account for a higher proportion of younger and mature students.

 

In degree grades, women are more likely to gain "good degrees" - taking first class and upper seconds together - while men are more likely to gain lower seconds and thirds.

 

However male students still maintain a narrow lead in firsts - 13.9% to 13% of those who graduate.

 

According to the report, women's greater success in gaining university places and achieving better degrees extends across different social classes and ethnic groups.

 

Exam barrier

 

But finding the cause for this is less straightforward.

 

"We just don't know," said Mr Bekhradnia.

 

The success of female students is a global trend

 

The introduction of GCSEs in the late 1980s coincided with the time that girls began to overtake boys in academic achievement.

 

However the report also shows that the greater success of women in education is a global pattern - suggesting it is more than the local circumstances of particular types of exam.

 

Another factor suggested in the gender gap is that boys' academic performance is weakening as much as girls' is improving.

 

A science test taken by 11 and 12-year-olds in the mid-1970s had been successfully passed by 54% of boys and 27% of girls.

 

Outreach programmes such as Aimhigher seek to engage and inspire young boys to go to university

Department for Business, Innovation and Skills spokesman

 

When the same test was taken in 2003, the scores for both boys and girls had fallen to 17% - a much more rapid decline for boys.

 

While young women have been entering university in greater numbers and achieving academic success, too many young men have been underperforming, suggests the report.

 

And while there is still a "mindset that continues to see males as advantaged and females as disadvantaged... that is emphatically not the case in higher education".

 

In response to the report, a spokesman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, said: "This government is committed to ensuring that everyone with talent and ability to succeed should be given the opportunity to do so whatever their background, gender or race.

 

"It is essential that we continue to tackle differences in aspirations, which is why outreach programmes such as Aimhigher seek to engage and inspire young boys to go to university through targeted activity around sport, science and music."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8085011.stm

 

Grading discrimination? Social/Cultural pressures? Beer?

 

Was that pic taken outside a university in New Delhi ?

 

Ooops, wrong thread!!

 

Women (or men, for that matter) can study and study and study all they want. It boils down to who can applicate what they have learned that really matters, not what pieces of paper they have on their wall.

[Renton 22493]

Women (or men, for that matter) can study and study and study all they want. It boils down to who can applicate what they have learned that really matters, not what pieces of paper they have on their wall.

 

What type of doctor and solicitor do you have?

[Cid_MCDP 0]

I wonder how many of them are doing it to meet their future husband? Wonder how many of them will keep working once the kids show up?

[Fop 1]

I wonder how many of them are doing it to meet their future husband? Wonder how many of them will keep working once the kids show up?

 

Kids are sexism incarnate.

[Cid_MCDP 0]

I wonder how many of them are doing it to meet their future husband? Wonder how many of them will keep working once the kids show up?

 

Kids are sexism incarnate.

 

Ah, I just think it kind of sucks when one of these folks takes up a spot in a classroom (thereby denying someone else the opportunity) then ends up retiring to shat out kids less than five years later.

 

A friend of my wife's became a nurse solely to meet a doctor and get married. Nursing programs are competitive (at least over here- dunno about UK) and frequently only allow a certain number of candidates in. I know, it's her life, she can do what she wants, but somebody out there was 26th on that list of 25.

[Tom 14021]

Well over here both the woman and the man tend to have to work.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Well over here both the woman and the man tend to have to work.

Not if your husband's a doctor Tom.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Dr Kenneth Noisewater