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[LeazesMag 0]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

Edited March 2, 2010 by LeazesMag

[manc-mag 1]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

 

 

That's a really limited point then. And you've been banging on about it for how long...three years?!

[LeazesMag 0]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

 

 

That's a really limited point then. And you've been banging on about it for how long...three years?!

 

fairly basic point which says everything, must be fairly limited not to understand.

 

Have to say I expected such a blank response from you

 

If you like, you can really stretch your imagination and understanding by answering the question I have asked Renton. But I bet you don't.

Edited March 2, 2010 by LeazesMag

[manc-mag 1]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

 

 

That's a really limited point then. And you've been banging on about it for how long...three years?!

 

fairly basic point which says everything, must be fairly limited not to understand.

 

Have to say I expected such a blank response from you

 

Yes but it doesnt defeat the argument that a better chairman would have done better than him. Which is an equally basic point.

[LeazesMag 0]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

 

 

That's a really limited point then. And you've been banging on about it for how long...three years?!

 

fairly basic point which says everything, must be fairly limited not to understand.

 

Have to say I expected such a blank response from you

 

Yes but it doesnt defeat the argument that a better chairman would have done better than him. Which is an equally basic point.

 

 

basic point still eludes you. Who exactly has been a better chairman/ owner than the Halls and Shepherd - and who exactly did better than they did in competition against them ?

 

Knew it would be too difficult for you ........

Edited March 2, 2010 by LeazesMag

[Renton 21435]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

We have a history at Newcastle of really shit owners going on for over 50 years now. Hall and Shepherd are undoubtedly the best of a bad bunch in this period. So what, it doesn't make them good owners.

 

Ipswich were just about the only club willing to give Robson a chance at the time btw, after he was sacked from Fulham. He went from there to manage England and Europe. So what exactly is your point regarding this again?

[LeazesMag 0]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

We have a history at Newcastle of really shit owners going on for over 50 years now. Hall and Shepherd are undoubtedly the best of a bad bunch in this period. So what, it doesn't make them good owners.

 

Ipswich were just about the only club willing to give Robson a chance at the time btw, after he was sacked from Fulham. He went from there to manage England and Europe. So what exactly is your point regarding this again?

 

daylight. Wankers like manc mag won't answer because they fundamentally can't bring themselves to admit it.

 

However, I would venture to suggest that taking a club with one foot in the 3rd division and a failed share flotation that couldn't even raise 1.25m quid and turning it into the 5th highest average league position in the country, transforming the stadium and filling it every home game, selling the club on at the value they did after 15 years of signing top players, qualifyign for europe more than every other club during their ownership bar 4, appointing trophy winning managers - including attracting Bobby Robson unlike their predecessors - isn't so bad in fact they must have been half decent to have done all of that. We could do with the same now, wouldn't you agree ?

Edited March 2, 2010 by LeazesMag

[manc-mag 1]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

 

 

That's a really limited point then. And you've been banging on about it for how long...three years?!

 

fairly basic point which says everything, must be fairly limited not to understand.

 

Have to say I expected such a blank response from you

 

Yes but it doesnt defeat the argument that a better chairman would have done better than him. Which is an equally basic point.

 

 

basic point still eludes you. Who exactly has been a better chairman/ owner than the Halls and Shepherd - and who exactly did better than they did in competition against them ?

 

Knew it would be too difficult for you ........

 

No it doesn't, I'm saying it's a less than compelling argument. If your previous chairmen/regimes have been shit, what relevance should that have to Shepherd's tenure exactly? Do you go back to the 50's and say he never matched up to the fine cup winning exploits of NUFC? Course you don't, it's irrelevant.

 

When the job started getting difficult his leadership was shambolic and that's what you're blind to. It's basically just a personal thing from your point of view anyway Leazes, you're clearly obsessed by it.

[The Fish 10814]

Didn't they also contribute heavily to the situation we find ourselves in? Letting Sir Bobby go in that undignified manner, appointing average to awful managers on expensive contracts, slating the fans and lynchpins of the team?

[LeazesMag 0]

Didn't they also contribute heavily to the situation we find ourselves in? Letting Sir Bobby go in that undignified manner, appointing average to awful managers on expensive contracts, slating the fans and lynchpins of the team?

 

 

in an ideal world.............sigh.

[manc-mag 1]

Didn't they also contribute heavily to the situation we find ourselves in? Letting Sir Bobby go in that undignified manner, appointing average to awful managers on expensive contracts, slating the fans and lynchpins of the team?

 

Shush. That's all irrelevant.

[NJS 4375]

20 years ago we were a shit team in the second division who hadn't won anything for years and had no prospect of ever winning anything.

 

Now we are in exactly the same position (albeit with good memories) which is just as much a consequence of their actions as the rise.

[LeazesMag 0]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

 

 

That's a really limited point then. And you've been banging on about it for how long...three years?!

 

fairly basic point which says everything, must be fairly limited not to understand.

 

Have to say I expected such a blank response from you

 

Yes but it doesnt defeat the argument that a better chairman would have done better than him. Which is an equally basic point.

 

 

basic point still eludes you. Who exactly has been a better chairman/ owner than the Halls and Shepherd - and who exactly did better than they did in competition against them ?

 

Knew it would be too difficult for you ........

 

No it doesn't, I'm saying it's a less than compelling argument. If your previous chairmen/regimes have been shit, what relevance should that have to Shepherd's tenure exactly? Do you go back to the 50's and say he never matched up to the fine cup winning exploits of NUFC? Course you don't, it's irrelevant.

 

When the job started getting difficult his leadership was shambolic and that's what you're blind to. It's basically just a personal thing from your point of view anyway Leazes, you're clearly obsessed by it.

 

see my post to Renton.

 

The sad thing is that people laughed at you, when they did all of that, and you took it to heart. Wouldn't you now like more of the same.

 

Just admit it man, you were spouting utter shite and haven't got it in you to admit you were wrong.

[Renton 21435]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

We have a history at Newcastle of really shit owners going on for over 50 years now. Hall and Shepherd are undoubtedly the best of a bad bunch in this period. So what, it doesn't make them good owners.

 

Ipswich were just about the only club willing to give Robson a chance at the time btw, after he was sacked from Fulham. He went from there to manage England and Europe. So what exactly is your point regarding this again?

 

daylight. Wankers like manc mag won't answer because they fundamentally can't bring themselves to admit it.

 

However, I would venture to suggest that taking a club with one foot in the 3rd division and a failed share flotation that couldn't even raise 1.25m quid and turning it into the 5th most qualfied team in the country, transforming the stadium and selling it on at a value they did after 15 years of signing top players, trophy winning managers - including attracting Bobby Robson unlike their predecessors - isn't so bad in fact they must have been half decent to have done all of that. We could do with the same now, wouldn't you agree ?

 

I honestly don't think anybody doubts they did a lot of good Leazes, seriously. My contention would be though towards the end they lost lost the plot a bit and undid a lot of the good work achieved under Robson. As you know, for me personally they lost all credibility with the appointment of Souness and then Roeder on a full time basis. I personally don't think they had the finances and/or know how to stop the slide, unfortunately neither did/does Ashley it seems.

 

Anyway man it's passed, it's history, it's finished. For you to keep bringing our current misfortune on the pitch as evidence you are right about immigration wears a bit thin after a while. Because if you read back over your posts, you'll see that's what you've been doing.

[Guest alex]

I'll never understand why an acceptance of their achievements makes them exempt from criticism.

[LeazesMag 0]

Calling Shepherd scum is probably a bit OTT but he was certainly motivated by personal gain. I sometimes wonder how 'successful' he would have been as chairman as well if it were not for the fortuitous availability of Robson. Let's face it his other managerial appointments were simply shit (and yes I am aware of the Hall's involvement here too).

 

Anyway, it's definitely not a case that Leazes can claim to be definitively right as he often claims. Right about what exactly? That we may be worse off with a different owner? No shit Sherlock, that's a risk you take. I would say we have been exceptionally unlucky in the ownership stakes personally since Hall senior took a back seat.

 

 

I'm going to give you a bit of slack here Renton. Why is it "fortuitous" ? Are you just latching onto the common view of those that won't give credit for anything ? Would you also say that the appointment of Alex Ferguson by ManU was also "fortuitous", and if not, why not ?

 

Howay man, with Robson's existing connections with the club he was an absolute shoe in for the job. It was hardly an inspirational appointment by any means, every single man on the street would have made it. Even then though, according to Robson's biography, Shepherd nearly blew it by offering Robson a derisory salary. Ferguson's appointment was inspired in comparision, as was Wenger at Arsenal. Obviously there's a bit of luck and hindsight involved there though.

 

So that begs the question, in a parallel Universe what would Shepherd and Hall done after Gullit had Robson not been available? Who knows but all the available evidence suggests to me they would have made a poorly judged appointment. It's worth pointing out as well that you keep banging on about us being the third biggest club in the country (or is it second) yet we only once achieved third under Shepherd. Not to mention we never won anything. Didn't even come close really.

 

Yes things are much worse now but that just isn't relevant to the past. Anyway, the whole of football has turned to shit in the mean time, we'd be struggling at best still with Shepherd, and quite possibly have been relegated with debts big enough to destroy the club. It's just a shame we ended up with a tosser like Ashley. Of course, one half of your fantastic duo is responsible for selling out to Ashley anyway, he got his timing right, I'd give him that.

 

Why did Sir Bob not come to Newcastle rather than spend all those years at Ipswich ?

 

Yet again Renton, your daft remarks [in bold] ruin when I do give you the chance to be constructive. You just can't help yourself can you.

 

Think about my question, above.

 

Tell us which owners before or since have got nearer to being the 3rd best in the country ? This is my point, and always has been.

 

We have a history at Newcastle of really shit owners going on for over 50 years now. Hall and Shepherd are undoubtedly the best of a bad bunch in this period. So what, it doesn't make them good owners.

 

Ipswich were just about the only club willing to give Robson a chance at the time btw, after he was sacked from Fulham. He went from there to manage England and Europe. So what exactly is your point regarding this again?

 

daylight. Wankers like manc mag won't answer because they fundamentally can't bring themselves to admit it.

 

However, I would venture to suggest that taking a club with one foot in the 3rd division and a failed share flotation that couldn't even raise 1.25m quid and turning it into the 5th most qualfied team in the country, transforming the stadium and selling it on at a value they did after 15 years of signing top players, trophy winning managers - including attracting Bobby Robson unlike their predecessors - isn't so bad in fact they must have been half decent to have done all of that. We could do with the same now, wouldn't you agree ?

 

I honestly don't think anybody doubts they did a lot of good Leazes, seriously. My contention would be though towards the end they lost lost the plot a bit and undid a lot of the good work achieved under Robson. As you know, for me personally they lost all credibility with the appointment of Souness and then Roeder on a full time basis. I personally don't think they had the finances and/or know how to stop the slide, unfortunately neither did/does Ashley it seems.

 

Anyway man it's passed, it's history, it's finished. For you to keep bringing our current misfortune on the pitch as evidence you are right about immigration wears a bit thin after a while. Because if you read back over your posts, you'll see that's what you've been doing.

 

the point being, that people in this very thread, can't bring themselves to admit exactly that.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'll never understand why an acceptance of their achievements makes them exempt from criticism.

 

 

who says they are exempt from criticism ?

 

If anything, this whole discussion, every time it comes up, is caused by idiots who don't appreciate what they did while it was there, even after the last few years.

 

How long will it be before we qualify for the champions league again ? It could take years, it might never happen at all. They will STILL talk down the era when we did.

Edited March 2, 2010 by LeazesMag

[manc-mag 1]

 

Obsessed!

 

If Shepherd had gone to university by the way I personally think he would have made better decisions on key leadership issues.

[Guest alex]

I'll never understand why an acceptance of their achievements makes them exempt from criticism.

 

 

who says they are exempt from criticism ?

 

If anything, this whole discussion, every time it comes up, is caused by idiots who don't appreciate what they did while it was there, even after the last few years.

 

How long will it be before we qualify for the champions league again ? It could take years, it might never happen at all. They will STILL talk down the era when we did.

You do, with your line of argument, in effect. As for the 2nd bolded bit, it looked a long way off anyway, didn't it?

[Renton 21435]

I'll never understand why an acceptance of their achievements makes them exempt from criticism.

 

 

who says they are exempt from criticism ?

 

If anything, this whole discussion, every time it comes up, is caused by idiots who don't appreciate what they did while it was there, even after the last few years.

 

How long will it be before we qualify for the champions league again ? It could take years, it might never happen at all. They will STILL talk down the era when we did.

You do, with your line of argument, in effect. As for the 2nd bolded bit, it looked a long way off anyway, didn't it?

 

Aye.

 

Leazes, are you confident we could have broke back into the Champions League if we were still owned by Hall/Shepherd? If not then do you accept their time here was effectively over, they had run their course, if we had any ambition for success?

[Sima 0]

I'll never understand why an acceptance of their achievements makes them exempt from criticism.

 

Does that extend to Keegan as well?

[LeazesMag 0]

 

Obsessed!

 

If Shepherd had gone to university by the way I personally think he would have made better decisions on key leadership issues.

 

 

you aren't going to answer then ?

 

Renton has pushed you in the right direction .......

 

[Guest alex]

I'll never understand why an acceptance of their achievements makes them exempt from criticism.

 

Does that extend to Keegan as well?

Aye, of course it does.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'll never understand why an acceptance of their achievements makes them exempt from criticism.

 

 

who says they are exempt from criticism ?

 

If anything, this whole discussion, every time it comes up, is caused by idiots who don't appreciate what they did while it was there, even after the last few years.

 

How long will it be before we qualify for the champions league again ? It could take years, it might never happen at all. They will STILL talk down the era when we did.

You do, with your line of argument, in effect. As for the 2nd bolded bit, it looked a long way off anyway, didn't it?

 

Aye.

 

Leazes, are you confident we could have broke back into the Champions League if we were still owned by Hall/Shepherd? If not then do you accept their time here was effectively over, they had run their course, if we had any ambition for success?

 

of course. With a good appointment, they would have backed him. You need to back them, you will never do it if you don't.

[The Fish 10814]

In an ideal world, what?