Rob W 0 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 The Vatican seems to do OK outside the EU ...... loads of immigrants aall speaking various languages, no natural resources, of course no democracy either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 There aren't exactly many European, non-EU countries with a population over 5 million, are there? No. Because it would be suicide for a larger country not to be in the EU, that's the point I'm trying to make. We can't exist in isolation in the new millennia. yawn Global politics, what a boring subject. Tell you what LM, why don't you provide us with some real interest by talking about how right you were over the Halls and Shepherds, how N-O misses you terribly (although you brilliantly have acquired two log ins), or how University is all about tweed jacketed lefty intellectuals brainwashing their students. Again. You big bitter bairn. you still placed in the "centre of politics" ? What a tool. Tell you what Renton, why don't you flounce off and stop talking to me like you keep saying you will ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I doubt think Norway's particularly comparable to the UK like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22001 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 There aren't exactly many European, non-EU countries with a population over 5 million, are there? No. Because it would be suicide for a larger country not to be in the EU, that's the point I'm trying to make. We can't exist in isolation in the new millennia. yawn Global politics, what a boring subject. Tell you what LM, why don't you provide us with some real interest by talking about how right you were over the Halls and Shepherds, how N-O misses you terribly (although you brilliantly have acquired two log ins), or how University is all about tweed jacketed lefty intellectuals brainwashing their students. Again. You big bitter bairn. you still placed in the "centre of politics" ? What a tool. Tell you what Renton, why don't you flounce off and stop talking to me like you keep saying you will ....... *Sigh* Why don't you grow up ffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 There aren't exactly many European, non-EU countries with a population over 5 million, are there? No. Because it would be suicide for a larger country not to be in the EU, that's the point I'm trying to make. We can't exist in isolation in the new millennia. yawn Global politics, what a boring subject. Tell you what LM, why don't you provide us with some real interest by talking about how right you were over the Halls and Shepherds, how N-O misses you terribly (although you brilliantly have acquired two log ins), or how University is all about tweed jacketed lefty intellectuals brainwashing their students. Again. You big bitter bairn. you still placed in the "centre of politics" ? What a tool. Tell you what Renton, why don't you flounce off and stop talking to me like you keep saying you will ....... *Sigh* Why don't you grow up ffs? "banter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 There aren't exactly many European, non-EU countries with a population over 5 million, are there? No. Because it would be suicide for a larger country not to be in the EU, that's the point I'm trying to make. We can't exist in isolation in the new millennia. you keep saying that but can you explain why not? genuine question btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 This is an email I've just had Thought you might like to read this letter to the editor ~ ever notice how some people just seem to know how to write a letter?. This one sure does! THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister! Written by a housewife, to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady. 'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since? Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they? And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency. I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11. I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat. I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children. I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs. I'll care when the British media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens. In the meantime, when I hear a story about a British soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care. When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care. When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special food' that is paid for by my tax is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care. And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Believe me!! You guessed it, I don't care!! If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends.? Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add: 'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.' I have another quote that I would like to add, AND.......I hope you forward all this. Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The British Soldier. 3. The Canadian Soldier. 4. The US Soldier, and 5. The Australian Soldier One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom. YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ALL OF THEM.. AMEN! GIVE THIS LADY A STANDING OVATION. SHE HAS INDEED TICKED ALL THE BOXES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Have you had a think yet which European countries are doing well outside the EU zone? Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) Name these European countries that are doing well outside the EU then. Small independent countries with massive resources aren't really comparable to the UK btw, before you trot off Norway and Switzerland (and btw look at the state of Iceland now). It's a daft proposition for the UK to leave the EU and one which no serious economist or politician would entertain. The population of Norway is less than that of Scotland btw, I'll leave you to work out the relevance of this. theres always a downside with you aint there? glass half empty and all that. you asked for an example of a european, non eu country who are doing well. i gave you one. accept it I'd already stated Norway wasn't a relevant comparison because of its relative size and huge oil reserves man. Wake up. its not exactly a fair question when you have to exclude 2 of the most succesful (if not the most succesful) countries in europe is it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I'll do a line by line later but Christ didn't exist and British soldeirs have only ever served the interests of the rich for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22001 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 There aren't exactly many European, non-EU countries with a population over 5 million, are there? No. Because it would be suicide for a larger country not to be in the EU, that's the point I'm trying to make. We can't exist in isolation in the new millennia. you keep saying that but can you explain why not? genuine question btw Because the EU accounts for 60% of our imports and exports (iirc, feel free to correct me). There's a trend towards globalisation which means if you're not part of a huge trading block you're basically fucked. I'm not an economist btw, so can't really add much more than that without researching it which is a bit pointless, but I'm fairly sure this is the basic belief of nearly all economists and policy makers, and why only fringe parties without a hope of getting elected seriously propose we should exit the EU. If it were feasible, I think the tories would adopt it as a policy because it certainly seems popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 At the same time, there's no point in citing countries that are very different to the UK as a reason why we should leave the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22001 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Have you had a think yet which European countries are doing well outside the EU zone? Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) Name these European countries that are doing well outside the EU then. Small independent countries with massive resources aren't really comparable to the UK btw, before you trot off Norway and Switzerland (and btw look at the state of Iceland now). It's a daft proposition for the UK to leave the EU and one which no serious economist or politician would entertain. The population of Norway is less than that of Scotland btw, I'll leave you to work out the relevance of this. theres always a downside with you aint there? glass half empty and all that. you asked for an example of a european, non eu country who are doing well. i gave you one. accept it I'd already stated Norway wasn't a relevant comparison because of its relative size and huge oil reserves man. Wake up. its not exactly a fair question when you have to exclude 2 of the most succesful (if not the most succesful) countries in europe is it now? It's petroleum that makes the difference for Norway though, with a population a tenth our size and therefore the hugely added per capita benefit. If they didn't have oil, they'd joining the EU (like Sweden) or be an incredibly backward race of whale killers. Pointless comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Have you had a think yet which European countries are doing well outside the EU zone? Norways doing pretty well. "After World War II, Norway experienced rapid economic growth, with the first two decades due to the Norwegian shipping and merchant marine and domestic industrialization, and from the early 1970s, a result of exploiting large oil and natural gas deposits that had been discovered in the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea. Today, Norway ranks as the wealthiest country in the world in monetary value, with the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation. In August 2009 the nation's sovereign wealth fund announced that it owned approximately 1% of all the stocks in the world, presumably referring to publicly traded stocks. Norway is the world’s seventh largest oil exporter and the petroleum industry accounts for around a quarter of its GDP. Following the ongoing financial crisis of 2007–2010, bankers have deemed the Norwegian krone to be one of the most solid currencies in the world." (source: wiki) That's because they didn't have a government who wasted the North Sea bonanza on giving money away to the rich. They also didn't abandon manufacturing in favour of a service based economy. thats right NJS, all of which happened after we joined the 'great european experiment'. No - post May 1979 - I'm sure you know the significance of that date. I cant see how Maggie ( ) getting in made a country from outside the eurozone the most succesful in the world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 This is an email I've just had Thought you might like to read this letter to the editor ~ ever notice how some people just seem to know how to write a letter?. This one sure does! THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister! Written by a housewife, to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady. 'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? No Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since? No Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ? Yes Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they? Yes And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency. Yes I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11. The men responsible are already in custody I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan No it isn't I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat. Care about what? I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children. So-called? I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs. You don't care about the innocent children our invading army have killed and injured in far greater numbers? I'll care when the British media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens. Didn't millions of British Soldiers die in the mud to win that freedom of speech? Aren'y you ashamed to spit on their sacrifice like that? In the meantime, when I hear a story about a British soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care. What if it's not an insurgent ort a terrorist? Like most torture victims released without charge? When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care. Who would? When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special food' that is paid for by my tax is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care. And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Believe me!! You guessed it, I don't care!! If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends.? Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! I'll pass this on for people to laugh at how idiotic some people can be? And may I add: 'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.' I have another quote that I would like to add, AND.......I hope you forward all this. Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The British Soldier. 3. The Canadian Soldier. 4. The US Soldier, and 5. The Australian Soldier One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom. YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ALL OF THEM.. AMEN! GIVE THIS LADY A STANDING OVATION. SHE HAS INDEED TICKED ALL THE BOXES I started responding to each line before I finished readin. Now that I get to this point i'm blushing a bit for not realising it was satire. I admit it, I was taken in by the clever lampoon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Thatcher treated the people from the NE (amongst other places) with a disgusting disdain imo. There was absolutely no need to go about things the way she did but she was, imo, intent on revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 This is an email I've just had Thought you might like to read this letter to the editor ~ ever notice how some people just seem to know how to write a letter?. This one sure does! THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister! Written by a housewife, to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady. 'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since? Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they? And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency. I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11. I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat. I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children. I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs. I'll care when the British media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens. In the meantime, when I hear a story about a British soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care. When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care. When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special food' that is paid for by my tax is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care. And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Believe me!! You guessed it, I don't care!! If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends.? Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add: 'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.' I have another quote that I would like to add, AND.......I hope you forward all this. Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you: 1. Jesus Christ 2. The British Soldier. 3. The Canadian Soldier. 4. The US Soldier, and 5. The Australian Soldier One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom. YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ALL OF THEM.. AMEN! GIVE THIS LADY A STANDING OVATION. SHE HAS INDEED TICKED ALL THE BOXES Not that I'm a Christian or anything but that's not exactly an attitude the Jesus of the New Testament would adhere to, is it? I'd like to think it started off as a wind-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) ...mindless zealots... ...Jesus Christ offered to die for you... Edited February 26, 2010 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 At the same time, there's no point in citing countries that are very different to the UK as a reason why we should leave the EU. eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 As Michael Moore (who I'm not a particular fan of btw) showed, I wonder how many of these people would be happy or have such a gung-ho attitude if they or their bairns were squaddies in Iraq or Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) At the same time, there's no point in citing countries that are very different to the UK as a reason why we should leave the EU. eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. iirc Germany's last year was 30 billion euro. Edited February 26, 2010 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 At the same time, there's no point in citing countries that are very different to the UK as a reason why we should leave the EU. eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. I know he asked the question. Am I not allowed to comment on the answer like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 At the same time, there's no point in citing countries that are very different to the UK as a reason why we should leave the EU. eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. iirc Germany's last year was 30 billion euro. sounds like an awful lot of germans are being screwed by their socialist masters. little wonder that nationalism is on the rise across the rich nations of europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Sounds like bollocks to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22001 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 At the same time, there's no point in citing countries that are very different to the UK as a reason why we should leave the EU. eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. That absolute fact of £40.5 billion net expenditure to the EU, have you got a reputable reference for it (i.e. not BNP or UKIP site, preferably a primary reference)? I'm just genuinely curious because I've also heard it stated that we are net beneficaries. In any case the number seems rather large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 At the same time, there's no point in citing countries that are very different to the UK as a reason why we should leave the EU. eh? i didnt start this particular track of conversation and i didnt cite those countries. Renton did. He asked me a question to which i answered. I never for one moment held them up as a shinig example for why the UK should leave the eu. tbh, I'm not that bothered by the countries mentioned. however i do know for an absolute fact that this countrys NET spend to the eu is £40.5 billion per annum. Thats £40.5 billion which could be spent on things like the NHS for example. I also know that we are a NET importer of goods (ie we buy more material goods than we sell). therefore the eu would be stupid in the extreme to take a huff and stop selling us things. and even if by some miracle the eu did decide to stop selling us stuff then theres always the far east markets who would gladly take its place in terms of selling us stuff. at least they (the asians) wouldnt pretend we're all the same because of geographics. I know he asked the question. Am I not allowed to comment on the answer like? of course you can my friend but your comment implied that i had cited these particular countries 1st. I hadn't so i clarified the point. no offence was taken by your comment, only confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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