BNP wins seats

[Park Life 71]

Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists......

 

It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions.

 

Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources?

 

I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge.

 

There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total.

 

6.7 million foreigners are resident.

 

So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'.

 

The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British.

 

6 million of those are on benefits which is 11%

 

If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits.

 

 

source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical.

 

199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits

House of Lords debate

 

The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year

BBC

 

The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million.

The Independent

 

 

hmmmmmm, not quite. firstly these figures are 12 months old. in the meantime weve gone through the worst recession this country has ever had which means they'll have been an awful lot of job losses, hence more on benefits. secondly, it only discribes non british, ie people who dont hold a british passport, not immigrants. thirdly, unless im mistaken, it doesnt take into account the arrivals from the eu?

 

such a defragmented approach to reporting stats is bound to cause confusion.

 

2 of them are from within the last 5 months. one is 11 months old. If you can get more recent figures. I'll bow down to them.

 

Given that most immigrants are skilled workers allowed in to fill a jobs gap it's unlikely that they've seen more lay-offs than the British population.

 

Those foreigners that have lost work (like the polish losing out on building work) tend to go home, while job-losses for British citizens can only increase the number of British benefit claimants and make my case even more strongly.

 

 

it still doesnt change the fact that if the immigrants wernt here in the 1st place thered be more jobs for the indiginous peoples of this land. ergo, less british people on benefits.

 

oooh, what a racist comment i hear you all say. i say its not racism but realism and common sense

 

 

There woudln't be cause for capitalism to remain workable it needs a pool of umenployed (normally around 7-10%).

[LeazesMag 0]

The jobs are also available to the indigenous British as well you know. Maybe if they were less lazy and more driven they get off their arses and apply for them? Instead of a society of "what does the country owe me" if we had a society of proactivity there'd be no jobs for immigrants because our population want to work.

 

ridiculous generalisation. There are lazy bastards and people who want to work hard on both sides of this particular coin.

 

The key is that those who haven't paid into the system ought not to get as much as they do, if anything, especially if they don't want to work. There is a minimum wage, I think there should be a maximum benefit entltlement too. And as Stevie says which I have also said myself, if people want to live and work here then do it and live the English life and learn to speak English or fuck off if they want to live with different customs and cultures.

Edited January 29, 2010 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

neither am I, but it seems - so far as these do gooders and scholarly type geeks like Renton are concerned - anything remotedly touching the pc correctness card makes you a nazi/kkk member in disguise.

 

And so far as the likes of you are concerned, anything deviating from a hard-line approach or with a nod to realism makes you a brainwashed, Guardian-reading "do-gooder" who cleans the toilets of mosques for a living.

 

Which is why neither side will ever agree and this thread and versions of it will keep happening.

 

Again and again and again.

 

Tedious, isn't it?

 

 

it will end when the muslims are in a position to dictate meenzer.......not for them, this "multicural society" and "tolerance, understanding and adapting" business

 

You and the others won't get it though....

 

Who's fault is it the Govt or the Muslims?

 

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

[NJS 4411]

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

 

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings.

 

 

Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

[Park Life 71]

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

 

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings.

 

 

Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

 

The thing is immigration is a red herring perpetuated by the media who are in the pay of big business and the ruling elite. You see LM's hesitation in having a pop at the Govt. It doesn't compute. It's like those in the US who go on about closing the Mexican border...Well LA would come to a standstill without illegal workers.

[NJS 4411]

The thing is immigration is a red herring perpetuated by the media who are in the pay of big business and the ruling elite. You see LM's hesitation in having a pop at the Govt. It doesn't compute. It's like those in the US who go on about closing the Mexican border...Well LA would come to a standstill without illegal workers.

 

Theres a lot of shit talked about Bankers upping sticks and leaving London but the City would be fucked without (legal) Aussies and probably illegal third world cleaners etc.

[tooner 243]

tooner........how somebody thinks they know about NUFC never mind the BNP

 

 

hit a nerve did I?

[tooner 243]

The jobs are also available to the indigenous British as well you know. Maybe if they were less lazy and more driven they get off their arses and apply for them? Instead of a society of "what does the country owe me" if we had a society of proactivity there'd be no jobs for immigrants because our population want to work.

 

ridiculous generalisation. There are lazy bastards and people who want to work hard on both sides of this particular coin.

 

The key is that those who haven't paid into the system ought not to get as much as they do, if anything, especially if they don't want to work. There is a minimum wage, I think there should be a maximum benefit entltlement too. And as Stevie says which I have also said myself, if people want to live and work here then do it and live the English life and learn to speak English or fuck off if they want to live with different customs and cultures.

 

 

wouldn't want to start with those now would we............

[Park Life 71]

The jobs are also available to the indigenous British as well you know. Maybe if they were less lazy and more driven they get off their arses and apply for them? Instead of a society of "what does the country owe me" if we had a society of proactivity there'd be no jobs for immigrants because our population want to work.

 

ridiculous generalisation. There are lazy bastards and people who want to work hard on both sides of this particular coin.

 

The key is that those who haven't paid into the system ought not to get as much as they do, if anything, especially if they don't want to work. There is a minimum wage, I think there should be a maximum benefit entltlement too. And as Stevie says which I have also said myself, if people want to live and work here then do it and live the English life and learn to speak English or fuck off if they want to live with different customs and cultures.

 

 

wouldn't want to start with those now would we............

 

If LM and Stevie agree to give up their curries I'm willing to listen.

[tooner 243]

Because I don't support the actions of the people who caused Heysel? Where was the cause to support there?

 

Nor do the billions of muslims around the globe support Al Qaeda.

They support the cause, 50% in this country understood and supported the July 7 bombings in London. Fuck free speech you support that you are an enemy of the state, and should be removed.

 

Where's that stat from?

 

I don't understand your second sentance.

Channel Four.

 

No link or owt?

 

Muslims in Britain ARE the most anti western in all of Europe.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/23/uk.religion

 

But only to the degree that "Across the board, Muslim attitudes in Britain more resembled public opinion in Islamic countries in the Middle East and Asia than elsewhere in Europe. "

 

Which, as I quoted above, is that a tiny minority support violence.

 

how naive are you

 

Terribly.

 

I need you to educate me.

 

 

....school of hard knocks

[LeazesMag 0]

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

 

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings.

 

 

Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

 

The thing is immigration is a red herring perpetuated by the media who are in the pay of big business and the ruling elite. You see LM's hesitation in having a pop at the Govt. It doesn't compute. It's like those in the US who go on about closing the Mexican border...Well LA would come to a standstill without illegal workers.

 

oh I'll have a pop at the govt alright but at the end of the day, even if they thought it was best for the country, the people of the country ie particularly the do gooders, would not vote them in or allow them to enforce strict immigration levels. Whatever argument you can put forward, fact is the population is growing and taking aside all the cultural changes which are being allowed to happen the economic dangers are also obvious.

[LeazesMag 0]

tooner........how somebody thinks they know about NUFC never mind the BNP

 

 

hit a nerve did I?

 

haha not in the slightest. You may think you know all about the UK,which you don't, but I can state quite categorically your knowledge of NUFC is zilch in comparison to me..........

[tooner 243]

tooner........how somebody thinks they know about NUFC never mind the BNP

 

 

hit a nerve did I?

 

haha not in the slightest. You may think you know all about the UK,which you don't, but I can state quite categorically your knowledge of NUFC is zilch in comparison to me..........

 

 

full agreement with you there LM, however that is not the topic and nor has it ever been my opinion that I know more about NUFC than you or anyone else on this board.......your rampant xenophobia is exceeded only by your level of douche-baggery

[Park Life 71]

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

 

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings.

 

 

Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

 

The thing is immigration is a red herring perpetuated by the media who are in the pay of big business and the ruling elite. You see LM's hesitation in having a pop at the Govt. It doesn't compute. It's like those in the US who go on about closing the Mexican border...Well LA would come to a standstill without illegal workers.

 

oh I'll have a pop at the govt alright but at the end of the day, even if they thought it was best for the country, the people of the country ie particularly the do gooders, would not vote them in or allow them to enforce strict immigration levels. Whatever argument you can put forward, fact is the population is growing and taking aside all the cultural changes which are being allowed to happen the economic dangers are also obvious.

 

So why is ovt hell bent on this policy?

[The Fish 10965]

Leazes why am I forbidden to generalise about the lazy dole wallowing British, but you can about Muslims?

Edited January 29, 2010 by The Fish

[LeazesMag 0]

tooner........how somebody thinks they know about NUFC never mind the BNP

 

 

hit a nerve did I?

 

haha not in the slightest. You may think you know all about the UK,which you don't, but I can state quite categorically your knowledge of NUFC is zilch in comparison to me..........

 

 

full agreement with you there LM, however that is not the topic and nor has it ever been my opinion that I know more about NUFC than you or anyone else on this board.......your rampant xenophobia is exceeded only by your level of douche-baggery

 

hit a nerve did I

[AgentAxeman 189]

The jobs are also available to the indigenous British as well you know. Maybe if they were less lazy and more driven they get off their arses and apply for them? Instead of a society of "what does the country owe me" if we had a society of proactivity there'd be no jobs for immigrants because our population want to work.

 

 

hmmmmmmmmmmm, again, close but no cigar. whilst i will fully admit there are lazy bastards in this country i dont think its endemic of the population as a whole. I think im right in saying that there was virtually no unemployment in this country before the first mass wave of immigrants arrived in the late 60's. now there is mass unemployment. do the math man!

 

and also, the socialist powers that be effectively pay a lot of claimants to stay on the dole. whereby taking a job would mean a drop in income. the system is properly fucked up.

 

step 1 - create unemployment

step 2 - fill gaps in market with imported labour

step 3 - keep an underclass who can be relied upon to vote whomever pays the most dole every time

 

repeat ad infin...

 

in essence, i dont think its as cut and dried as you are trying to make it Fish

[AgentAxeman 189]

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

 

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings.

 

 

Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

 

The thing is immigration is a red herring perpetuated by the media who are in the pay of big business and the ruling elite. You see LM's hesitation in having a pop at the Govt. It doesn't compute. It's like those in the US who go on about closing the Mexican border...Well LA would come to a standstill without illegal workers.

 

oh I'll have a pop at the govt alright but at the end of the day, even if they thought it was best for the country, the people of the country ie particularly the do gooders, would not vote them in or allow them to enforce strict immigration levels. Whatever argument you can put forward, fact is the population is growing and taking aside all the cultural changes which are being allowed to happen the economic dangers are also obvious.

 

So why is ovt hell bent on this policy?

 

 

NWO perhaps parky?

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes why am I forbidden to generalise about the lazy dole wallowing British, but you can about Muslims?

 

I'm not attempting to stop you, I said there are lazy Brits because there are. I said that those who are shown to not want to work should have benefits cut/stopped or restricted to a maximum amount so it doesn't pay them to choose not to work.

 

Muslims attempting to force their culture on us can fuck off.

 

Foreigners out to milk the benefit system and are not prepared to learn English can fuck off.

 

You can't defend these people being allowed to live in this country, which is what some of you are trying to do.

 

And we should put our house in order and realise the dangers of overpopulating the country, especially where there is already not enough money for education, the Health Service, defence etc etc...

[Park Life 71]

The jobs are also available to the indigenous British as well you know. Maybe if they were less lazy and more driven they get off their arses and apply for them? Instead of a society of "what does the country owe me" if we had a society of proactivity there'd be no jobs for immigrants because our population want to work.

 

 

hmmmmmmmmmmm, again, close but no cigar. whilst i will fully admit there are lazy bastards in this country i dont think its endemic of the population as a whole. I think im right in saying that there was virtually no unemployment in this country before the first mass wave of immigrants arrived in the late 60's. now there is mass unemployment. do the math man!

 

and also, the socialist powers that be effectively pay a lot of claimants to stay on the dole. whereby taking a job would mean a drop in income. the system is properly fucked up.

 

step 1 - create unemployment

step 2 - fill gaps in market with imported labour

step 3 - keep an underclass who can be relied upon to vote whomever pays the most dole every time

 

repeat ad infin...

 

in essence, i dont think its as cut and dried as you are trying to make it Fish

 

 

Capitalism was in boom in the 60's.

[LeazesMag 0]

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

 

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings.

 

 

Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

 

The thing is immigration is a red herring perpetuated by the media who are in the pay of big business and the ruling elite. You see LM's hesitation in having a pop at the Govt. It doesn't compute. It's like those in the US who go on about closing the Mexican border...Well LA would come to a standstill without illegal workers.

 

oh I'll have a pop at the govt alright but at the end of the day, even if they thought it was best for the country, the people of the country ie particularly the do gooders, would not vote them in or allow them to enforce strict immigration levels. Whatever argument you can put forward, fact is the population is growing and taking aside all the cultural changes which are being allowed to happen the economic dangers are also obvious.

 

So why is ovt hell bent on this policy?

 

because they were idealistic do gooders when they were younger and don't know what they are doing ?

[Park Life 71]

Leazes why am I forbidden to generalise about the lazy dole wallowing British, but you can about Muslims?

 

I'm not attempting to stop you, I said there are lazy Brits because there are. I said that those who are shown to not want to work should have benefits cut/stopped or restricted to a maximum amount so it doesn't pay them to choose not to work.

 

Muslims attempting to force their culture on us can fuck off.

 

Foreigners out to milk the benefit system and are not prepared to learn English can fuck off.

 

You can't defend these people being allowed to live in this country, which is what some of you are trying to do.

 

And we should put our house in order and realise the dangers of overpopulating the country, especially where there is already not enough money for education, the Health Service, defence etc etc...

 

How is the NHS gong to work?

[Park Life 71]

If you are going to say the govt [which it is] then it is the fault of those who elect that government. The solution is obvious.

 

Yeah vote for a party who represent big business because they just hate the cheap labour that immigration brings.

 

 

Do you seriously suggest repatriation of all immigrants who don't meet your approval mark?

 

The thing is immigration is a red herring perpetuated by the media who are in the pay of big business and the ruling elite. You see LM's hesitation in having a pop at the Govt. It doesn't compute. It's like those in the US who go on about closing the Mexican border...Well LA would come to a standstill without illegal workers.

 

oh I'll have a pop at the govt alright but at the end of the day, even if they thought it was best for the country, the people of the country ie particularly the do gooders, would not vote them in or allow them to enforce strict immigration levels. Whatever argument you can put forward, fact is the population is growing and taking aside all the cultural changes which are being allowed to happen the economic dangers are also obvious.

 

So why is ovt hell bent on this policy?

 

because they were idealistic do gooders when they were younger and don't know what they are doing ?

 

Do they show this behaviour toward any other issue?

[LeazesMag 0]

The jobs are also available to the indigenous British as well you know. Maybe if they were less lazy and more driven they get off their arses and apply for them? Instead of a society of "what does the country owe me" if we had a society of proactivity there'd be no jobs for immigrants because our population want to work.

 

 

hmmmmmmmmmmm, again, close but no cigar. whilst i will fully admit there are lazy bastards in this country i dont think its endemic of the population as a whole. I think im right in saying that there was virtually no unemployment in this country before the first mass wave of immigrants arrived in the late 60's. now there is mass unemployment. do the math man!

 

and also, the socialist powers that be effectively pay a lot of claimants to stay on the dole. whereby taking a job would mean a drop in income. the system is properly fucked up.

 

step 1 - create unemployment

step 2 - fill gaps in market with imported labour

step 3 - keep an underclass who can be relied upon to vote whomever pays the most dole every time

 

repeat ad infin...

 

in essence, i dont think its as cut and dried as you are trying to make it Fish

 

 

Capitalism was in boom in the 60's.

 

Labour govt from 1964

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes why am I forbidden to generalise about the lazy dole wallowing British, but you can about Muslims?

 

I'm not attempting to stop you, I said there are lazy Brits because there are. I said that those who are shown to not want to work should have benefits cut/stopped or restricted to a maximum amount so it doesn't pay them to choose not to work.

 

Muslims attempting to force their culture on us can fuck off.

 

Foreigners out to milk the benefit system and are not prepared to learn English can fuck off.

 

You can't defend these people being allowed to live in this country, which is what some of you are trying to do.

 

And we should put our house in order and realise the dangers of overpopulating the country, especially where there is already not enough money for education, the Health Service, defence etc etc...

 

How is the NHS gong to work?

 

 

do you advocate private health care for all regardless of if you can afford it or not ?