Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I wou ld repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. Aren't the Poles the largest group in recent data and didn't most of them work and pay tax contributing to the economy? aye, I'm sure all these polish brickies have been braying down the door of the local tax office to fill in their self assesment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 neither am I, but it seems - so far as these do gooders and scholarly type geeks like Renton are concerned - anything remotedly touching the pc correctness card makes you a nazi/kkk member in disguise. And so far as the likes of you are concerned, anything deviating from a hard-line approach or with a nod to realism makes you a brainwashed, Guardian-reading "do-gooder" who cleans the toilets of mosques for a living. Which is why neither side will ever agree and this thread and versions of it will keep happening. Again and again and again. Tedious, isn't it? it will end when the muslims are in a position to dictate meenzer.......not for them, this "multicural society" and "tolerance, understanding and adapting" business You and the others won't get it though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. 199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits House of Lords debate The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year BBC The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million. The Independent Edited January 29, 2010 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Because I don't support the actions of the people who caused Heysel? Where was the cause to support there? Nor do the billions of muslims around the globe support Al Qaeda. They support the cause, 50% in this country understood and supported the July 7 bombings in London. Fuck free speech you support that you are an enemy of the state, and should be removed. Where's that stat from? I don't understand your second sentance. Channel Four. No link or owt? Muslims in Britain ARE the most anti western in all of Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/23/uk.religion But only to the degree that "Across the board, Muslim attitudes in Britain more resembled public opinion in Islamic countries in the Middle East and Asia than elsewhere in Europe. " Which, as I quoted above, is that a tiny minority support violence. how naive are you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Afraid to publish the true figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 That means for every foreign benefit claimant, there are 33 foreign workers. But for every British benefit claimant, there's only 8 British workers. They come over here subsidising our system.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Because I don't support the actions of the people who caused Heysel? Where was the cause to support there? Nor do the billions of muslims around the globe support Al Qaeda. They support the cause, 50% in this country understood and supported the July 7 bombings in London. Fuck free speech you support that you are an enemy of the state, and should be removed. Where's that stat from? I don't understand your second sentance. Channel Four. No link or owt? Muslims in Britain ARE the most anti western in all of Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/23/uk.religion But only to the degree that "Across the board, Muslim attitudes in Britain more resembled public opinion in Islamic countries in the Middle East and Asia than elsewhere in Europe. " Which, as I quoted above, is that a tiny minority support violence. how naive are you Terribly. I need you to educate me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31201 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Propaganda, I'm on about the ones in THIS country, holding our passport. It was something like 50%. Charlie Brooker put it well last night when he said people like Anjem Choudary are as representative of Muslims as Nick Griffin is of the white English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. 199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits House of Lords debate The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year BBC The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million. The Independent hmmmmmm, not quite. firstly these figures are 12 months old. in the meantime weve gone through the worst recession this country has ever had which means they'll have been an awful lot of job losses, hence more on benefits. secondly, it only discribes non british, ie people who dont hold a british passport, not immigrants. thirdly, unless im mistaken, it doesnt take into account the arrivals from the eu? such a defragmented approach to reporting stats is bound to cause confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Propaganda, I'm on about the ones in THIS country, holding our passport. It was something like 50%. Charlie Brooker put it well last night when he said people like Anjem Choudary are as representative of Muslims as Nick Griffin is of the white English. Well he condones terrorism, as do 24% of British Muslims, do 24% of the rest of the population support the UDA for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Incredible that Happy Face buys those figures Just incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. 199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits House of Lords debate The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year BBC The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million. The Independent hmmmmmm, not quite. firstly these figures are 12 months old. in the meantime weve gone through the worst recession this country has ever had which means they'll have been an awful lot of job losses, hence more on benefits. secondly, it only discribes non british, ie people who dont hold a british passport, not immigrants. thirdly, unless im mistaken, it doesnt take into account the arrivals from the eu? such a defragmented approach to reporting stats is bound to cause confusion. 2 of them are from within the last 5 months. one is 11 months old. If you can get more recent figures. I'll bow down to them. Given that most immigrants are skilled workers allowed in to fill a jobs gap it's unlikely that they've seen more lay-offs than the British population. Those foreigners that have lost work (like the polish losing out on building work) tend to go home, while job-losses for British citizens can only increase the number of British benefit claimants and make my case even more strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Because I don't support the actions of the people who caused Heysel? Where was the cause to support there? Nor do the billions of muslims around the globe support Al Qaeda. They support the cause, 50% in this country understood and supported the July 7 bombings in London. Fuck free speech you support that you are an enemy of the state, and should be removed. Where's that stat from? I don't understand your second sentance. Channel Four. No link or owt? Muslims in Britain ARE the most anti western in all of Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/23/uk.religion But only to the degree that "Across the board, Muslim attitudes in Britain more resembled public opinion in Islamic countries in the Middle East and Asia than elsewhere in Europe. " Which, as I quoted above, is that a tiny minority support violence. how naive are you Terribly. I need you to educate me. Lesson 1 is not to believe such figures as you have just put up.......astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Incredible that Happy Face buys those figures Just incredible Educate me Stevie. Give me the detail. I'm not a proud man, I'll gladly admit to being wrong. I've done it once already in this thread. Convince me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Because I don't support the actions of the people who caused Heysel? Where was the cause to support there? Nor do the billions of muslims around the globe support Al Qaeda. They support the cause, 50% in this country understood and supported the July 7 bombings in London. Fuck free speech you support that you are an enemy of the state, and should be removed. Where's that stat from? I don't understand your second sentance. Channel Four. No link or owt? Muslims in Britain ARE the most anti western in all of Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/23/uk.religion But only to the degree that "Across the board, Muslim attitudes in Britain more resembled public opinion in Islamic countries in the Middle East and Asia than elsewhere in Europe. " Which, as I quoted above, is that a tiny minority support violence. how naive are you Terribly. I need you to educate me. Lesson 1 is not to believe such figures as you have just put up.......astounding. But you do believe the 24% that you've quoted, right? How do I distinguish between the figures to believe and the ones to ignore? Channel 4 and the Daily Mail are valid sources, but the BBC, House of Lords and Independent aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. 199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits House of Lords debate The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year BBC The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million. The Independent hmmmmmm, not quite. firstly these figures are 12 months old. in the meantime weve gone through the worst recession this country has ever had which means they'll have been an awful lot of job losses, hence more on benefits. secondly, it only discribes non british, ie people who dont hold a british passport, not immigrants. thirdly, unless im mistaken, it doesnt take into account the arrivals from the eu? such a defragmented approach to reporting stats is bound to cause confusion. 2 of them are from within the last 5 months. one is 11 months old. If you can get more recent figures. I'll bow down to them. Given that most immigrants are skilled workers allowed in to fill a jobs gap it's unlikely that they've seen more lay-offs than the British population. Those foreigners that have lost work (like the polish losing out on building work) tend to go home, while job-losses for British citizens can only increase the number of British benefit claimants and make my case even more strongly. it still doesnt change the fact that if the immigrants wernt here in the 1st place thered be more jobs for the indiginous peoples of this land. ergo, less british people on benefits. oooh, what a racist comment i hear you all say. i say its not racism but realism and common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. 199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits House of Lords debate The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year BBC The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million. The Independent hmmmmmm, not quite. firstly these figures are 12 months old. in the meantime weve gone through the worst recession this country has ever had which means they'll have been an awful lot of job losses, hence more on benefits. secondly, it only discribes non british, ie people who dont hold a british passport, not immigrants. thirdly, unless im mistaken, it doesnt take into account the arrivals from the eu? such a defragmented approach to reporting stats is bound to cause confusion. 2 of them are from within the last 5 months. one is 11 months old. If you can get more recent figures. I'll bow down to them. Given that most immigrants are skilled workers allowed in to fill a jobs gap it's unlikely that they've seen more lay-offs than the British population. Those foreigners that have lost work (like the polish losing out on building work) tend to go home, while job-losses for British citizens can only increase the number of British benefit claimants and make my case even more strongly. it still doesnt change the fact that if the immigrants wernt here in the 1st place thered be more jobs for the indiginous peoples of this land. ergo, less british people on benefits. oooh, what a racist comment i hear you all say. i say its not racism but realism and common sense I don't think that's racist. Just a misconception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. 199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits House of Lords debate The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year BBC The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million. The Independent hmmmmmm, not quite. firstly these figures are 12 months old. in the meantime weve gone through the worst recession this country has ever had which means they'll have been an awful lot of job losses, hence more on benefits. secondly, it only discribes non british, ie people who dont hold a british passport, not immigrants. thirdly, unless im mistaken, it doesnt take into account the arrivals from the eu? such a defragmented approach to reporting stats is bound to cause confusion. 2 of them are from within the last 5 months. one is 11 months old. If you can get more recent figures. I'll bow down to them. Given that most immigrants are skilled workers allowed in to fill a jobs gap it's unlikely that they've seen more lay-offs than the British population. Those foreigners that have lost work (like the polish losing out on building work) tend to go home, while job-losses for British citizens can only increase the number of British benefit claimants and make my case even more strongly. it still doesnt change the fact that if the immigrants wernt here in the 1st place thered be more jobs for the indiginous peoples of this land. ergo, less british people on benefits. oooh, what a racist comment i hear you all say. i say its not racism but realism and common sense I couldn't care less about skin tone, who are white people to claim to be more English than say Andy Cole, and Keith Vaz, indigenous this and indigenous that, is racist. All I want is people who claim to be English to lead an English life or fuck off. People leading exclusively muslim lives should do it where it's welcomed, and championed, this is a christian country, and has upheld christian values for centuries, that's the way it should always be. Upholding christian values are part of what made this country great in my view. Women are equal. They will never be in the muslim world. I don't want that world in my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 The jobs are also available to the indigenous British as well you know. Maybe if they were less lazy and more driven they get off their arses and apply for them? Instead of a society of "what does the country owe me" if we had a society of proactivity there'd be no jobs for immigrants because our population want to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31201 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 neither am I, but it seems - so far as these do gooders and scholarly type geeks like Renton are concerned - anything remotedly touching the pc correctness card makes you a nazi/kkk member in disguise. And so far as the likes of you are concerned, anything deviating from a hard-line approach or with a nod to realism makes you a brainwashed, Guardian-reading "do-gooder" who cleans the toilets of mosques for a living. Which is why neither side will ever agree and this thread and versions of it will keep happening. Again and again and again. Tedious, isn't it? it will end when the muslims are in a position to dictate meenzer.......not for them, this "multicural society" and "tolerance, understanding and adapting" business You and the others won't get it though.... How close do you reckon they are to being able to dictate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 this is a christian country, and has upheld christian values for centuries, that's the way it should always be. Upholding christian values are part of what made this country great in my view. Women are equal. They will never be in the muslim world. I don't want that world in my country. Christian values like banning women from being CofE bishops? or Catholic priests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Forget illegals, genuine asylum seekers and terrorists...... It is enough just to look at the number of legals that have come in over the last 10 years. These are vast numbers that have drained away billions. Why should they be allowed to come here get benefits, housing and other resources? I would repeat, I can't go to oz or USA etc and scrounge. There's about 200,000 non Brits in receipt of state benefits in total. 6.7 million foreigners are resident. So under 3% of immigrants are 'benefit scrounges'. The Uk population is over 61 million so about 55 million are British. 6 million of those are on benefits which is 11% If anything immigrants are covering benefits for British residents at a far higher rate than Brits are paying foreigners benefits. source for these figures please cos i cant believe that only 200000 immigrants (legal and illegal) are claiming benefits. maybe 200000 in london perhaps but countrywide? extremely skeptical. 199,667 non-British citizens in receipt of state benefits House of Lords debate The number of people from overseas living in the UK reached a record high of 6.7 million last year BBC The total number of people claiming benefits in the UK has been forecast to rise to more than 6 million when official figures are published later this month, according to the Conservative think-tank Policy Exchange. The latest official figures, published in February, showed that the total was 5.8 million. The Independent hmmmmmm, not quite. firstly these figures are 12 months old. in the meantime weve gone through the worst recession this country has ever had which means they'll have been an awful lot of job losses, hence more on benefits. secondly, it only discribes non british, ie people who dont hold a british passport, not immigrants. thirdly, unless im mistaken, it doesnt take into account the arrivals from the eu? such a defragmented approach to reporting stats is bound to cause confusion. The recession has been caused by banking greed. Companies also likes immigration cause it reduces the bargaining power of the natives. A by product is also some erosion of identity around which the hostage population (whitey) can fight back. All good for for banks and international capitalism. Not good for normal working people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 neither am I, but it seems - so far as these do gooders and scholarly type geeks like Renton are concerned - anything remotedly touching the pc correctness card makes you a nazi/kkk member in disguise. And so far as the likes of you are concerned, anything deviating from a hard-line approach or with a nod to realism makes you a brainwashed, Guardian-reading "do-gooder" who cleans the toilets of mosques for a living. Which is why neither side will ever agree and this thread and versions of it will keep happening. Again and again and again. Tedious, isn't it? it will end when the muslims are in a position to dictate meenzer.......not for them, this "multicural society" and "tolerance, understanding and adapting" business You and the others won't get it though.... Who's fault is it the Govt or the Muslims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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