Fop 1 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 EU slaps a record fine on Intel One thing about the EU is they do seem to be attacking anti-competitive behaviour fairly vigorously. The only downside is the seem to do it when it's far to late to change anything other than marginally reducing the profit margins of the companies in question. Still $1.45bn/£948m should at least be a warning shot, even if they never have to pay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 EU slaps a record fine on Intel One thing about the EU is they do seem to be attacking anti-competitive behaviour fairly vigorously. The only downside is the seem to do it when it's far to late to change anything other than marginally reducing the profit margins of the companies in question. Still $1.45bn/£948m should at least be a warning shot, even if they never have to pay it. About fukin time. My old amd machine was one of the stable I ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 EU slaps a record fine on Intel One thing about the EU is they do seem to be attacking anti-competitive behaviour fairly vigorously. The only downside is the seem to do it when it's far to late to change anything other than marginally reducing the profit margins of the companies in question. Still $1.45bn/£948m should at least be a warning shot, even if they never have to pay it. About fukin time. My old amd machine was one of the stable I ever had. That's the thing there was a good period of years where AMD was the far superior CPU (in performance and cost), but they made very little OEM, desktop and business gains because Intel had them all tied up with these now deemed illegal deals. For the last 2 or so year Intel has been back ahead, but that doesn't take away from the fact that AMD should have been in a much stronger position (in a genuinely free market), but was unable to capitalise on it monetarily due to Intel's anti-competitive behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cid_MCDP 0 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Intel was really fucking AMD over in the mid and late 90's. They had trouble getting their pentium 1 equivalent out (I was working at the Austin fab at the time), but their P2, P3, and early P4 equivalents were class. I still don't really get the EU's problem with Microsoft, but Intel really did engage in hostile practices when it came to PC manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 Intel was really fucking AMD over in the mid and late 90's. They had trouble getting their pentium 1 equivalent out (I was working at the Austin fab at the time), but their P2, P3, and early P4 equivalents were class. I still don't really get the EU's problem with Microsoft, but Intel really did engage in hostile practices when it came to PC manufacturers. Microsoft were largely doing the same thing as Intel in tying distributors up (MS were also doing other illegal things too with bundling though). But with AMD it was really from the early to late Althon 64's (3-4 years?) until Intel brought out their first dual-cores where their practices showed how utterly devastating and uncompetitive they were (they were of course in place long before then, but there was at least balance in CPU performance and price that masked it), AMD just had better chips in all respects but they made nearly no gains (apart form in the "enthusiast" market) due to the way Intel was basically buying the market. Unfortunately now Intel is very much back on top (less so now the Phenom II is out, but still ahead), so basically no matter what size fine Intel get they have "got away with it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Intel was really fucking AMD over in the mid and late 90's. They had trouble getting their pentium 1 equivalent out (I was working at the Austin fab at the time), but their P2, P3, and early P4 equivalents were class. I still don't really get the EU's problem with Microsoft, but Intel really did engage in hostile practices when it came to PC manufacturers. Microsoft were largely doing the same thing as Intel in tying distributors up (MS were also doing other illegal things too with bundling though). But with AMD it was really from the early to late Althon 64's (3-4 years?) until Intel brought out their first dual-cores where their practices showed how utterly devastating and uncompetitive they were (they were of course in place long before then, but there was at least balance in CPU performance and price that masked it), AMD just had better chips in all respects but they made nearly no gains (apart form in the "enthusiast" market) due to the way Intel was basically buying the market. Unfortunately now Intel is very much back on top (less so now the Phenom II is out, but still ahead), so basically no matter what size fine Intel get they have "got away with it". One day we'll be making our own chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 Intel was really fucking AMD over in the mid and late 90's. They had trouble getting their pentium 1 equivalent out (I was working at the Austin fab at the time), but their P2, P3, and early P4 equivalents were class. I still don't really get the EU's problem with Microsoft, but Intel really did engage in hostile practices when it came to PC manufacturers. Microsoft were largely doing the same thing as Intel in tying distributors up (MS were also doing other illegal things too with bundling though). But with AMD it was really from the early to late Althon 64's (3-4 years?) until Intel brought out their first dual-cores where their practices showed how utterly devastating and uncompetitive they were (they were of course in place long before then, but there was at least balance in CPU performance and price that masked it), AMD just had better chips in all respects but they made nearly no gains (apart form in the "enthusiast" market) due to the way Intel was basically buying the market. Unfortunately now Intel is very much back on top (less so now the Phenom II is out, but still ahead), so basically no matter what size fine Intel get they have "got away with it". One day we'll be making our own chips. Once upon a time you could. The really annoying this is though that levelish competition really drives innovation, all the big improvements in computers tend to come when two or more companies are having to work really hard against each other. When one gets the upper hand and keeps it things tend to stagnate (much like Intel did for a good year after the P1 largely destroyed everything else in 1996). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cid_MCDP 0 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 It's sorta going back to that. I'm not totally up on this kind of stuff anymore, but it seems as though I run across articles talking about Chinese wafer fab shops a lot more than I used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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