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I don't know why you bother, Renton, I really don't. I don't know why anyone bothers replying to him tbh.

 

 

When they are implying that genes cannot influence an organisms behaviour because they are "encoded proteins" (and Fop guesses: "Renton -and they are just made up of atoms, do atoms control you or me? Well do they??? :wacko:" :pmsl:)........ then neither does Fop. :nufc:

 

 

 

Honestly what he's saying is frankly potty and against most all biology of the last 200 years. :icon_lol:

 

 

 

Either Renton knows something no one else does and will one day have his name taken in the same sentence as Darwin.... or he is just a twit. :icon_lol::icon_lol:

 

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Disagree. Most people are not racist imo. Most people are merely victims of the bleeding heart twats' definition of being a racist. The vast majority of us have been caught in the world of the pc wankers and the perceived belief that if one acts outside their parameters therefore makes us baaaad and destined for hell.

 

Aye by a PCer than thou definition EVERYTHING is racist (even things that have absolutely nothing to do with "race").

 

 

Everyone is xenophobic to a degree (even those that pathologically against it - they still create groups in their own mind that they dislike for no real reason - like the animal right or anti-abortion nutters that kill people :scratchhead:), it probably is genetic, as it would likely help survival in a prehistory tribal/hunter-gather time.

 

Rubbish.

 

Fop bets it is (or has a common genetic component that effects the behaviour) for a start it's too common; it's everywhere and always has been (even though the West seems determined to claim it for its own there much worse/more extreme between non-western groups today than there is in the West).

 

Plus it likely has a positive aspect when viewed in a "caveman" setting (small wandering territorial groups - they'd need it as much as Chimpanzee's), much like depression, or needing to believe in the Flying Spaghetti monster, is a behavioural genetic throw back to those times.

 

That's not to say the "fat argument" should be applied to it ("it's all in our genes we can't help it *munches another hamburger*"), but equally you can never deny the truth, even if it would be nicer to do so.

 

Rubbish. Racism is clearly a case of nurture rather than nature. Imagine you have two kids, and one grows up in a family with siblings of different races and tolerant liberal parents, and the other grows up in all-white family where the parents are Ku Klux Klan members and preach hatred towards other races. Which child do you think will most likely end up with racist attitudes?

 

Honestly Fop, you don't half talk bollocks. Let me know when they find the 'racist gene' (cue frantic googling by Fop).

 

 

As Fop already mentioned such "tolerant liberal parents" (which is a ridiculous stereotype in itself, of course :icon_lol:) tend to draw their own prejudicial lines (different lines, to be sure, but prejudicial lines never the less).

 

Such things are likely as genetically built in as things like depression and a need to believe in a flying spaghetti monster are........ and like those had positive evolutionary effects once upon a time (maybe even still do :icon_lol:).

 

That's not to say environment doesn't have some effect, but given it is a humanity wide condition (all strife on the planet is - including Toontastic :nufc:, always has been and likely always will be about arbitrary "lines" and separations - "us and them", be they racial, religious or tribal) clearly is it us and not just our environment.

 

 

 

The only rubbish is that people need to be "conditioned" to be that way, where as in reality they generally need to be "conditioned" not to be, and as mentioned even then it's usually still there only in a hidden or "acceptable" way.

 

 

That just sounds like worsd salad Fop.

 

As I'm sure you know genes encode proteins and I find it pretty hard to believe that racism has a physical basis in a protein, especially when there's so much evidence it is an acquired behaviour, as given by my example (stereotyped or not).

 

 

 

Are you now saying genes have no influence over an organisms behaviour? :wacko:

 

 

 

 

You do argue yourself into some patently ridiculous corners in your attempts to disagree with Fop, although this one must be a record in several ways. :pmsl:

 

Where did I say the statement in red? Talk about using a strawman argument.

 

Of course genes influence behaviour,

Yes, they do, well done. :icon_lol:

 

I just don't think they explicitly influence racism in this context. If you have any real evidence that racism is hard-wired into us, please post it (without googling please).

 

Who said genes explicitly influence "racism"? :scratchhead: Talk about a strawman. :icon_lol: (or a Rention) :scratchhead:

 

As Fop has already stated, "racism" is one of many symptoms/results of more general human behaviour which likely has a significant genetic cause, what about that is (seeming) so hard to understand?

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I think you're the one taking an unorthodox view here Fop, not me.

 

How ironic that you just criticised me for making ad hominem attacks btw and yet that's all you've done to me today; that and make straweman arguments.

 

Anyway, Snake is right and this getting tedious. The build up to the match is now on, I'm off.

 

Yes Fop is unorthodox if you pretend Fop is saying what Renton wants Fop to be saying.

 

Of course in Saneworld Fop is saying something else entirely to whatever Renton is now twittering about.

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Have you still not realised that talking about yourself in the third person makes you look like a massive cock?

 

Even if you were right, even if you sharing some amazing insight no-one would really pay attention because you come across as a massive twat.

 

Coming across as a cock and a twat does mean you can you fuck yourself though :nufc:

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Have you still not realised that talking about yourself in the third person makes you look like a massive cock?

 

Even if you were right, even if you sharing some amazing insight no-one would really pay attention because you come across as a massive twat.

 

Coming across as a cock and a twat does mean you can you fuck yourself though :nufc:

Fop wonders how ironically :icon_lol: 'd one person can be. :wacko:

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Has he not been sectioned yet? :nufc:

 

I believe Manc-mag's working hypothesis is that he already has been, which seems more plausible by the day. Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to give mentalists access to the web. :wacko:

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Has he not been sectioned yet? :nufc:

 

I believe Manc-mag's working hypothesis is that he already has been, which seems more plausible by the day. Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to give mentalists access to the web. :wacko:

 

Convinced there's been some form of 'intervention' tbh-at the very least he's been signed off from work indefinitely.

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I knew fop would endeavour to make this thread about him :wacko:

Aye, because Renton reinventing genetics is about Fop.

 

Fop is flattered that you think so though. The Uberfop. :icon_lol:

 

 

Has he not been sectioned yet? :nufc:

 

I believe manc-foplite's working hypothesis is that he already has been, which seems more plausible by the day. Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to give mentalists access to the web. :icon_lol:

 

Convinced there's been some form of 'intervention' tbh-at the very least he's been signed off from work indefinitely.

 

That you lot spend so much time thinking about Fop is nice, pointless and obsessive, but nice all the same. :icon_lol:

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I knew fop would endeavour to make this thread about him :wacko:

Aye, because Renton reinventing genetics is about Fop.

 

Fop is flattered that you think so though. The Uberfop. :icon_lol:

 

 

Has he not been sectioned yet? :nufc:

 

I believe manc-foplite's working hypothesis is that he already has been, which seems more plausible by the day. Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to give mentalists access to the web. :icon_lol:

 

Convinced there's been some form of 'intervention' tbh-at the very least he's been signed off from work indefinitely.

 

That you lot spend so much time thinking about Fop is nice, pointless and obsessive, but nice all the same. :icon_lol:

 

Don't feel compelled to reply, mate. It's just my opinion and I didn't demand a response.

 

If it's any consolation, Leazes thinks your some kind of modern Prophet. :icon_lol:

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Out interest Renty, now that you've accepted that there is no such thing as an gene that explicitly effects "racism" (and that no one is talking about one either, except for maybe the voices in your head :nufc:) and you've admitted that:

Of course genes influence behaviour

Do you want to change your stated opinion on the below? :wacko:

 

 

Everyone is xenophobic to a degree (even those that pathologically against it - they still create groups in their own mind that they dislike for no real reason - like the animal right or anti-abortion nutters that kill people :icon_lol:), it probably is genetic, as it would likely help survival in a prehistory tribal/hunter-gather time.

 

Fop bets it is (or has a common genetic component that effects the behaviour) for a start it's too common; it's everywhere and always has been (even though the West seems determined to claim it for its own there much worse/more extreme between non-western groups today than there is in the West).

 

Plus it likely has a positive aspect when viewed in a "caveman" setting (small wandering territorial groups - they'd need it as much as Chimpanzee's), much like depression, or needing to believe in the Flying Spaghetti monster, is a behavioural genetic throw back to those times.

 

That's not to say the "fat argument" should be applied to it ("it's all in our genes we can't help it *munches another hamburger*"), but equally you can never deny the truth, even if it would be nicer to do so.

Rubbish.

 

 

Or are we still waiting for a Rention of The Origin of the Species? :icon_lol: (The Rention of the Species? Catchy title :icon_lol:)

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Don't feel compelled to reply, mate. It's just my opinion and I didn't demand a response.

(Frantic :nufc:)

 

Don't feel compelled to reply either, it gives you much more time to think about Fop, after all. :wacko:

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I knew fop would endeavour to make this thread about him :wacko:

Aye, because Renton reinventing genetics is about Fop.

 

Fop is flattered that you think so though. The Uberfop. :icon_lol:

 

 

Has he not been sectioned yet? :nufc:

 

I believe manc-foplite's working hypothesis is that he already has been, which seems more plausible by the day. Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to give mentalists access to the web. :icon_lol:

 

Convinced there's been some form of 'intervention' tbh-at the very least he's been signed off from work indefinitely.

 

That you lot spend so much time thinking about Fop is nice, pointless and obsessive, but nice all the same. :pmsl:

 

Don't feel compelled to reply, mate. It's just my opinion and I didn't demand a response.

 

If it's any consolation, Leazes thinks your some kind of modern Prophet. :icon_lol:

 

I think he's running rings around you :icon_lol:

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I knew fop would endeavour to make this thread about him :wacko:

Aye, because Renton reinventing genetics is about Fop.

 

Fop is flattered that you think so though. The Uberfop. :icon_lol:

 

 

Has he not been sectioned yet? :nufc:

 

I believe manc-foplite's working hypothesis is that he already has been, which seems more plausible by the day. Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to give mentalists access to the web. :icon_lol:

 

Convinced there's been some form of 'intervention' tbh-at the very least he's been signed off from work indefinitely.

 

That you lot spend so much time thinking about Fop is nice, pointless and obsessive, but nice all the same. :scratchhead:

 

Don't feel compelled to reply, mate. It's just my opinion and I didn't demand a response.

 

If it's any consolation, Leazes thinks your some kind of modern Prophet. :icon_lol:

 

I think he's running rings around you :icon_lol:

 

aye but you're not very bright. :pmsl:

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I knew fop would endeavour to make this thread about him :wacko:

Aye, because Renton reinventing genetics is about Fop.

 

Fop is flattered that you think so though. The Uberfop. :icon_lol:

 

 

Has he not been sectioned yet? :nufc:

 

I believe manc-foplite's working hypothesis is that he already has been, which seems more plausible by the day. Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to give mentalists access to the web. :icon_lol:

 

Convinced there's been some form of 'intervention' tbh-at the very least he's been signed off from work indefinitely.

 

That you lot spend so much time thinking about Fop is nice, pointless and obsessive, but nice all the same. :scratchhead:

 

Don't feel compelled to reply, mate. It's just my opinion and I didn't demand a response.

 

If it's any consolation, Leazes thinks your some kind of modern Prophet. :icon_lol:

 

I think he's running rings around you :icon_lol:

 

aye but you're not very bright. :scratchhead:

 

 

I see.

 

:pmsl:

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