Rob W 0 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Just, only just, managed to put away one of the worst teams in the PL at home on Saturday Struggled against a League 2/Div 4 side yesterday with a full side out This is not good................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 The form book goes out the window for the Derby games and on a wet and windy night we won reasonably comfortably away from home in the League Cup against a team who beat a good Spurs side in the last round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If this was another manager I'd say exactly what Alex said and also that we need a couple of wins to get the confidence back. But we'll never play good football under Sounnes so I agree, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 It's all subjective tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 It's all subjective tbh. 49998[/snapback] No it's not, FACT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 No its not Alex - we're struggling against poor sides and getting beaten by average outfits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 No its not Alex - we're struggling against poor sides and getting beaten by average outfits 50003[/snapback] Playing devil's advocate really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20429 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 We're in a Souness mini blip - we had two last year as well. Some good results against poor opposition, but still playing poorly. Next slump due before Christmas I reckon, and it will be Souness's last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar 0 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I was about to say that. You can say that matches like Grimsby and Sunderland can't be used as a yardstick to say we're shite by, but then the unconvincing wins can't be used to say we've turned a corner either. Remember Souness' 7 game unbeaten run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocChip 0 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 We were without Owen, Ameobi (new Shearer now like), Luque (whoever he is), Emre, Boumsong (thank god) and Carr though. And Nobby, Baba and Titus were just back from injury. Thought we started well and were gonna score, we'd have breezed it then i reckon. In fact, we played better than i expected, i'm not sure what that says about us though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 No its not Alex - we're struggling against poor sides and getting beaten by average outfits 50003[/snapback] Playing devil's advocate really. 50015[/snapback] Why? Don't you care that we're shite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 No its not Alex - we're struggling against poor sides and getting beaten by average outfits 50003[/snapback] Playing devil's advocate really. 50015[/snapback] Why? Don't you care that we're shite? 50097[/snapback] No, I think you could argue the last two games were potential 'banana skins' that we managed to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 Every game is a bloody banana skin these days tho' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Every game is a bloody banana skin these days tho' 50124[/snapback] Good point, I don't care though, obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Every game is a bloody banana skin these days tho' 50124[/snapback] Good point, I don't care though, obviously 50128[/snapback] Obviously, as you didn't realise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Every game is a bloody banana skin these days tho' 50124[/snapback] Good point, I don't care though, obviously 50128[/snapback] Obviously, as you didn't realise. 50204[/snapback] I was being sarcastic obviously, as you didn't realise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 31 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9577 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. 50360[/snapback] Though the problem is, how often will we see a side without any injuries during a season, maybe in 5-10 games if everything is perfect. The fact is that still the manager can send on a decent squad in most games, i.e. against West Ham, Wigan etc. And even if those games against Sunderland and Grimsby got won, it was against very poor teams, were the team still struggled. Of course you can say, that the team did what was necessary, but in if fact a only slightly better teams like those last two probably would beat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. 50360[/snapback] But what is his full strength side anyway? I think the back four the other night is probably the best we have, Carr and Boumsong are so bad I certainly don't see Carr as being any better at RB than Ramage, and Boumsong..........what can I say? Taylor and Bramble is quite probably a better pairing. Dyer, Emre, Luque and Owen. Well I only think he can use all of these players if he uses Dyer as a striker. He shouldn't play on the right ahead of Solano, that's for sure. In other words, if he goes with Shearer and Owen, there's no place anymore for Dyer if everyone else is fit. Of course, according to some, he may go with Owen and Luque, so perhaps Dyer can play on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 89 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. 50360[/snapback] But what is his full strength side anyway? I think the back four the other night is probably the best we have, Carr and Boumsong are so bad I certainly don't see Carr as being any better at RB than Ramage, and Boumsong..........what can I say? Taylor and Bramble is quite probably a better pairing. Dyer, Emre, Luque and Owen. Well I only think he can use all of these players if he uses Dyer as a striker. He shouldn't play on the right ahead of Solano, that's for sure. In other words, if he goes with Shearer and Owen, there's no place anymore for Dyer if everyone else is fit. Of course, according to some, he may go with Owen and Luque, so perhaps Dyer can play on the left. 50413[/snapback] why you wouldn't let it lie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. 50360[/snapback] But what is his full strength side anyway? I think the back four the other night is probably the best we have, Carr and Boumsong are so bad I certainly don't see Carr as being any better at RB than Ramage, and Boumsong..........what can I say? Taylor and Bramble is quite probably a better pairing. Dyer, Emre, Luque and Owen. Well I only think he can use all of these players if he uses Dyer as a striker. He shouldn't play on the right ahead of Solano, that's for sure. In other words, if he goes with Shearer and Owen, there's no place anymore for Dyer if everyone else is fit. Of course, according to some, he may go with Owen and Luque, so perhaps Dyer can play on the left. 50413[/snapback] why you wouldn't let it lie! 50415[/snapback] Ok, I will now. What do you think is Mr Souness's full strength team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. 50360[/snapback] But what is his full strength side anyway? I think the back four the other night is probably the best we have, Carr and Boumsong are so bad I certainly don't see Carr as being any better at RB than Ramage, and Boumsong..........what can I say? Taylor and Bramble is quite probably a better pairing. Dyer, Emre, Luque and Owen. Well I only think he can use all of these players if he uses Dyer as a striker. He shouldn't play on the right ahead of Solano, that's for sure. In other words, if he goes with Shearer and Owen, there's no place anymore for Dyer if everyone else is fit. Of course, according to some, he may go with Owen and Luque, so perhaps Dyer can play on the left. 50413[/snapback] why you wouldn't let it lie! 50415[/snapback] Ok, I will now. What do you think is Mr Souness's full strength team? 50419[/snapback] Given, Taylor, Ramage, Bramble, Boumsong, Solano, Parker, Emre, N'Zogbia, Owen, Luque I think we're short a left winger to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. 50360[/snapback] But what is his full strength side anyway? I think the back four the other night is probably the best we have, Carr and Boumsong are so bad I certainly don't see Carr as being any better at RB than Ramage, and Boumsong..........what can I say? Taylor and Bramble is quite probably a better pairing. Dyer, Emre, Luque and Owen. Well I only think he can use all of these players if he uses Dyer as a striker. He shouldn't play on the right ahead of Solano, that's for sure. In other words, if he goes with Shearer and Owen, there's no place anymore for Dyer if everyone else is fit. Of course, according to some, he may go with Owen and Luque, so perhaps Dyer can play on the left. 50413[/snapback] why you wouldn't let it lie! 50415[/snapback] Ok, I will now. What do you think is Mr Souness's full strength team? 50419[/snapback] Given, Taylor, Ramage, Bramble, Boumsong, Solano, Parker, Emre, N'Zogbia, Owen, Luque I think we're short a left winger to be honest 50439[/snapback] No place for the bling bastard in your team, then. Assuming neither Bramble or Boumsong would be at full back, you've got Taylor, Luque and Zog out of position. Dodgy that, like. Nearly 1/3 of your outfield players not in their best roles, are you Mr Souness? How about this...... Given, Ramage, Taylor, Bramble, Babayaro, Solano, Parker, Emre, Luque, Owen, Dyer. Out of interest and on a more serious note, neither of those teams look great to me considering £50m and the squad Mr Souness started with. Edited October 28, 2005 by Howaythelads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 they could be if they played at anywhere near their full potential - thats the problem with Souness - he seems to demotivate players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If you called that our "full side", I worry for the futures of Carr, Boumsong, Dyer, Emre, Luque & Owen. I'm sure if we'd played someone like Chelsea last night he'd have played Emre & Boumsong, and maybe risked Owen & Dyer. He picked a side to win the match, we did that. We never looked like losing at any stage of that match. 50360[/snapback] But what is his full strength side anyway? I think the back four the other night is probably the best we have, Carr and Boumsong are so bad I certainly don't see Carr as being any better at RB than Ramage, and Boumsong..........what can I say? Taylor and Bramble is quite probably a better pairing. Dyer, Emre, Luque and Owen. Well I only think he can use all of these players if he uses Dyer as a striker. He shouldn't play on the right ahead of Solano, that's for sure. In other words, if he goes with Shearer and Owen, there's no place anymore for Dyer if everyone else is fit. Of course, according to some, he may go with Owen and Luque, so perhaps Dyer can play on the left. 50413[/snapback] why you wouldn't let it lie! 50415[/snapback] Ok, I will now. What do you think is Mr Souness's full strength team? 50419[/snapback] Given, Taylor, Ramage, Bramble, Boumsong, Solano, Parker, Emre, N'Zogbia, Owen, Luque I think we're short a left winger to be honest 50439[/snapback] No place for the bling bastard in your team, then. Assuming neither Bramble or Boumsong would be at full back, you've got Taylor, Luque and Zog out of position. Dodgy that, like. Nearly 1/3 of your outfield players not in their best roles, are you Mr Souness? How about this...... Given, Ramage, Taylor, Bramble, Babayaro, Solano, Parker, Emre, Luque, Owen, Dyer. Out of interest and on a more serious note, neither of those teams look great to me considering £50m and the squad Mr Souness started with. 50445[/snapback] Which players have I got out of position apart from Taylor? I think N'Zogbia is a better winger than a central midfielder, and Luque is a striker (yawn). At the moment in my opinion Taylor is the best right back we have at the club. Can't disagree with you about the £50m comment though. We needed to sign a left winger and two full backs, and didn't sign any of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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