Jimbo 172 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Lewis Hamilton and McLaren have been stripped of their podium finish and all points at the Australian Grand Prix. The sport's world governing body said they were excluded "for providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards at the hearing on March 29." A post-race hearing promoted Hamilton from fourth to third after Trulli was penalised for passing the Englishman while the safety car was out. The Toyota of Trulli has been reinstated to third place. Hamilton was summoned by stewards on Thursday to discuss what the FIA, motorsport's governing body, described as "a new element" of evidence. It was not clear what the new evidence was, although it could involve pit-to-car radio conversations between the team and driver. The yellow safety flags came out at Melbourne after a collision between Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica in his BMW Sauber. Trulli, who was demoted to 12th, slid off the track and was passed by Hamilton but the Toyota driver said he had little choice but to overtake the Briton again. "When the safety car came out towards the end of the race, Lewis Hamilton passed me but soon after he suddenly slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road," he said. "I thought he had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do." Hamilton had told Speed TV after the race that Trulli went wide onto the grass at the second to last corner. "I was forced to go by. I slowed down as much as I could. I was told to let him back past, I don't know if that's the regulations, and if it isn't, then I should have really had third," said the Briton. Toyota had said after the race that they would make a protest but dropped that on Wednesday because they felt it had no chance of succeeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonraider 0 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 FFS This is a farce, Im beginning to wonder if Brawn will be stripped of their points when they have their hearing soon too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 What a prat for coming out and saying that man... For once the FIA have done the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Rumours abound that Button may be getting excluded from the championship by the FIA for something completely pathetic. That's the chatter at the bookies anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Rumours abound that Button may be getting excluded from the championship by the FIA for something completely pathetic. That's the chatter at the bookies anyway. Dodgy beard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 What a prat for coming out and saying that man... For once the FIA have done the right thing. He's "sorry". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonraider 0 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Why couldnt Lewis just admit what he did was wrong and apologise like a man. Instead he says hes sorry but then puts all the blame on Dave Ryan. What a great 'team' effort! He's not stupid he can make his own decisions. For me, all this taints how brilliant the first race was. Im more looking forward to the BTCC this weekend, Plato has a last minute drive too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6961 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Sounds like he was coerced into fibbing to the stewards. Probably feels guilty as sin now as I get the impression hes a genuinely nice/truthful man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonraider 0 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Gutted for a close friend of ours whos just lost his job on the Williams test team. About 16 of them gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 Why couldnt Lewis just admit what he did was wrong and apologise like a man. Instead he says hes sorry but then puts all the blame on Dave Ryan. What a great 'team' effort! He's not stupid he can make his own decisions. For me, all this taints how brilliant the first race was. Im more looking forward to the BTCC this weekend, Plato has a last minute drive too. He's 'sorry' he's been caught tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Why couldnt Lewis just admit what he did was wrong and apologise like a man. Instead he says hes sorry but then puts all the blame on Dave Ryan. What a great 'team' effort! He's not stupid he can make his own decisions. For me, all this taints how brilliant the first race was. Im more looking forward to the BTCC this weekend, Plato has a last minute drive too. He's 'sorry' he's been caught tbh. Isn't that the F1 motto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 It's a bit damp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Remember the days when every grand prix didn't end in farce? No, me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30160 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Anyone know what the craic is with John Button and David Coulthard? Button refused to talk to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 Bernie should've listened to the locals about putting the race start time back to 5pm. Anyone who's been to Malaysia will tell you, you can set your watch by the thunderstorms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Bernie with egg on his face once more.... but he'll deflect the blame elsewhere. It's not necessarily the thunderstorms Dr Ken, it's the failing light. They knew it was going to be dark by the time 2 hours came up but still they persued it - all so Jonny European could watch the race at a 'normal' time. He fails to realise that anyone who is half a fan of the sport would get up to watch it regardless of what time it's on! As for the thing with John Button & DC, I think it's all fun and games. DC is big mates with Jenson and I wouldn't be surprised if DC, being a practical joker, hadn't done something to Button Snr... Don't think it was anything sinister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7985975.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 The diffuser gang's cars have been found to be legal, and the results so far will stand. The FIA is losing its grip, surely they can rule the first two races 'pre-season friendlies' to give the teams a chance to adapt to the new rules. Or quadruple points for red cars for the rest of the season?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Ron Dennis has hoyed the towel in at McLaren btw. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8001425.stm McLaren have confirmed that Ron Dennis has handed over complete control of McLaren Racing to Martin Whitmarsh, ending his involvement in Formula 1. The 61-year-old stepped down as world champion Lewis Hamilton's team boss on 16 January, but stayed involved in F1 under new principal Whitmarsh. However, Dennis will now concentrate solely on McLaren's Automotive company. "This was my decision. I have no qualms about leaving Martin to look after all matters connected to F1," said Dennis. More to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 Ron Dennis has hoyed the towel in at McLaren btw. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8001425.stm McLaren have confirmed that Ron Dennis has handed over complete control of McLaren Racing to Martin Whitmarsh, ending his involvement in Formula 1. The 61-year-old stepped down as world champion Lewis Hamilton's team boss on 16 January, but stayed involved in F1 under new principal Whitmarsh. However, Dennis will now concentrate solely on McLaren's Automotive company. "This was my decision. I have no qualms about leaving Martin to look after all matters connected to F1," said Dennis. More to follow. Falling on his sword in anticipation of the 'lie-gate' hearing I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6961 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 The diffuser gang's cars have been found to be legal, and the results so far will stand. The FIA is losing its grip, surely they can rule the first two races 'pre-season friendlies' to give the teams a chance to adapt to the new rules. Or quadruple points for red cars for the rest of the season?? Smacks of desperation that the other constructors are still whinging about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Ron Dennis has hoyed the towel in at McLaren btw. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8001425.stm McLaren have confirmed that Ron Dennis has handed over complete control of McLaren Racing to Martin Whitmarsh, ending his involvement in Formula 1. The 61-year-old stepped down as world champion Lewis Hamilton's team boss on 16 January, but stayed involved in F1 under new principal Whitmarsh. However, Dennis will now concentrate solely on McLaren's Automotive company. "This was my decision. I have no qualms about leaving Martin to look after all matters connected to F1," said Dennis. More to follow. Falling on his sword in anticipation of the 'lie-gate' hearing I wonder? It was always going to happen. It's been delayed 12 months on the grounds that he didn't want to appear as though he was walking away as a result of 'spy-gate'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Ron Dennis has hoyed the towel in at McLaren btw. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8001425.stm McLaren have confirmed that Ron Dennis has handed over complete control of McLaren Racing to Martin Whitmarsh, ending his involvement in Formula 1. The 61-year-old stepped down as world champion Lewis Hamilton's team boss on 16 January, but stayed involved in F1 under new principal Whitmarsh. However, Dennis will now concentrate solely on McLaren's Automotive company. "This was my decision. I have no qualms about leaving Martin to look after all matters connected to F1," said Dennis. More to follow. Falling on his sword in anticipation of the 'lie-gate' hearing I wonder? It was always going to happen. It's been delayed 12 months on the grounds that he didn't want to appear as though he was walking away as a result of 'spy-gate'. Caught with their trousers down for spy-gate and lie-gate within two years, but of course Ferrari are still the baddies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 What a bitter cunt Flav is... Button hits back at 'bitter' Briatore Jenson Button has hit out at Renault team boss Flavio Briatore after the Italian criticised the Brawn GP drivers on Thursday. Briatore, who was angry at the FIA's decision to rule the double-decker diffusers as legal, suggested the Brawn GP team will dominate the championship thanks to an unfair advantage. "The drivers in our teams have been and are world champions, while the championship is now fought between a driver who was almost retired and another one who is a good guy but a paracarro (Italian saying for being as slow as a milepost at the side of a road)," Briatore told Gazzetta dello Sport. "I don't know where credibility has ended up with all this. To make up the gap we have to those teams is impossible." On Friday, Button responded to Briatore, and said the Italian should remember that he tried to hire him for his own team this year. "Unless he is at the front of F1, I am sure [he thinks] any team [being there] hurts the credibility of F1," Button told reporters in Shanghai. "He also needs to remember that he tried to employ me for this year, so..." Button added: "He is obviously a very angry man after the diffuser issues and he is obviously very disappointed that they haven't produced a car that is as competitive as ours. "We have produced a very competitive car because of the work force we have back at Brackley and you cannot take it away from them - it is very unfair to say that. "They have worked very, very hard in very difficult circumstances and it is very, very unfair for Flavio to comment as he has just because he is a little bit bitter - he should also not forget he tried to employ me for this season." When asked what was his team's response to Briatore's comments, Button said: "Laughing, basically." Team-mate Rubens Barrichello said Briatore was a "bad loser". "I think that is stupid. Really. What a comment. If we all think that we need Ferrari and McLaren to win, why are the others here? "I really think that because we have a white car and some people are not able to go as fast as us....this is what is good about the sport. They are trying to make the same engine for everybody…so do you think Ferrari is always going to be on top? "There are plenty of good people in the paddock and plenty of bad losers." Source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74531 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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