Left Wing Idiots

[Fop 1]

This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals.

Since when has it really been free (as in beer)? You always seem to be out to try and take control of that which you don't control (which is basically why the internet is no longer free - as in speech) and bend it to your will (or profits).

I meant charge for information, like newspapers etc. It'll probably happen anyway.

It already is, everything has been steadily dollarised since big corporations first got a sniff of profit, the big sea change coming in ~1998.

[Park Life 71]

This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals.

Since when has it really been free (as in beer)? You always seem to be out to try and take control of that which you don't control (which is basically why the internet is no longer free - as in speech) and bend it to your will (or profits).

 

I meant charge for information, like newspapers etc. It'll probably happen anyway.

 

Adam cooks up a new economy over a light snack at his desk.

[ChezGiven 0]

You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults.

You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule.

 

"Society doesnt exist"

Where did Fop do that exactly?

Am i attributing something to you which you think you didnt say?

 

Naughty naughty me, wonder who taught me that trick?

 

(You did say it anyway).

[ChezGiven 0]

This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals.

Since when has it really been free (as in beer)? You always seem to be out to try and take control of that which you don't control (which is basically why the internet is no longer free - as in speech) and bend it to your will (or profits).

I meant charge for information, like newspapers etc. It'll probably happen anyway.

It already is, everything has been steadily dollarised since big corporations first got a sniff of profit, the big sea change coming in ~1998.

It was the big corporations that filled the content void that everyone was wondering about circa 98.

[Fop 1]

I'd say New Labour's fiscal policy (at least to the extent I understand it) has been strongly influenced by Thatcher but the actually policies of the Tories then and New Labour aren't that comparable really.

There's load of policies that are (when you ignore Chezzy's rubbish attempt to build a strawman around a specific issue), the biggest difference being Thatcher didn't really do spin and no one had thought up replacing "privatised" with "partnership" yet.

[Guest alex]

I'd say New Labour's fiscal policy (at least to the extent I understand it) has been strongly influenced by Thatcher but the actually policies of the Tories then and New Labour aren't that comparable really.

There's load of policies that are (when you ignore Chezzy's rubbish attempt to build a strawman around a specific issue), the biggest difference being Thatcher didn't really do spin and no one had thought up replacing "privatised" with "partnership" yet.

I think she'd have approved of a canny few of their policies anyway.

Edit: I'm talking like she's dead already.

Edited March 23, 2009 by alex

[Fop 1]

You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults.

You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule.

 

"Society doesnt exist"

Where did Fop do that exactly?

Am i attributing something to you which you think you didnt say?

 

Naughty naughty me, wonder who taught me that trick?

 

(You did say it anyway).

(where? )

[Fop 1]

This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals.

Since when has it really been free (as in beer)? You always seem to be out to try and take control of that which you don't control (which is basically why the internet is no longer free - as in speech) and bend it to your will (or profits).

I meant charge for information, like newspapers etc. It'll probably happen anyway.

It already is, everything has been steadily dollarised since big corporations first got a sniff of profit, the big sea change coming in ~1998.

It was the big corporations that filled the content void that everyone was wondering about circa 98.

They move into some available voids and crushed or took over anything that got in their way - which in the end was pretty much everything (as pre and post 1998 content markedly shows).

 

Very similar to say Tesco and most town centres in fact.

[Fop 1]

I'd say New Labour's fiscal policy (at least to the extent I understand it) has been strongly influenced by Thatcher but the actually policies of the Tories then and New Labour aren't that comparable really.

There's load of policies that are (when you ignore Chezzy's rubbish attempt to build a strawman around a specific issue), the biggest difference being Thatcher didn't really do spin and no one had thought up replacing "privatised" with "partnership" yet.

I think she'd have approved of a canny few of their policies anyway.

Edit: I'm talking like she's dead already.

A few are her policies, just polished up a bit and maybe given a lick of a different coloured paint.

Edited March 23, 2009 by Fop

[Guest alex]

I'd say New Labour's fiscal policy (at least to the extent I understand it) has been strongly influenced by Thatcher but the actually policies of the Tories then and New Labour aren't that comparable really.

There's load of policies that are (when you ignore Chezzy's rubbish attempt to build a strawman around a specific issue), the biggest difference being Thatcher didn't really do spin and no one had thought up replacing "privatised" with "partnership" yet.

I think she'd have approved of a canny few of their policies anyway.

Edit: I'm talking like she's dead already.

A few are her policies, just polished up a bit and maybe given a lick of a different coloured paint.

To be honest Fop I don't know enough about specific policies. I was agreeing with your general comment about there being middle ground on certain issues though. Vast differences on lots of things as well however.

[ChezGiven 0]

You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults.

You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule.

 

"Society doesnt exist"

Where did Fop do that exactly?

Am i attributing something to you which you think you didnt say?

 

Naughty naughty me, wonder who taught me that trick?

 

(You did say it anyway).

(where? )

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=594824

 

[Guest alex]

I think labour were very luck to come to power at the start of avery big credit bubble. This allowed the public to spend and feel could allowing labour to take credit and build hospitals , schools etc. Politics has been bland since.

 

As I don't think we will see another credit bubble any time soon and times are going to be tough, policies will come under greater scrutiny , this making politics interesting again.

You've still got the issue of the two main parties being too similar to stave off voter apathy imo.

[Guest Stevie]

I'm off to Brussels and Bruges next month btw.

Have a drink of the Kriek on tap in that famous old pub in Brussels, fuckin lovely. Also the Jupiler is well worth a go too. I drunk loads in Belgium (euro 2000), and I never woke up with one hangover.

[Guest alex]

I'm off to Brussels and Bruges next month btw.

Have a drink of the Kriek on tap in that famous old pub in Brussels, fuckin lovely. Also the Jupiler is well worth a go too. I drunk loads in Belgium (euro 2000), and I never woke up with one hangover.

Don't like Kriek.

[Renton 22497]

I think labour were very luck to come to power at the start of avery big credit bubble. This allowed the public to spend and feel could allowing labour to take credit and build hospitals , schools etc. Politics has been bland since.

 

As I don't think we will see another credit bubble any time soon and times are going to be tough, policies will come under greater scrutiny , this making politics interesting again.

You've still got the issue of the two main parties being too similar to stave off voter apathy imo.

 

Possibly until the public realise a leopard never really changes its spots when the tories do get in (which looks inevitable). I'd also agree with CT that there's nothing like austerity to stave off public apathy, trouble is it always seems to hit the North worst and people from the South have shown themselves to be callous cunts in the past regarding this.

[Guest alex]

I think labour were very luck to come to power at the start of avery big credit bubble. This allowed the public to spend and feel could allowing labour to take credit and build hospitals , schools etc. Politics has been bland since.

 

As I don't think we will see another credit bubble any time soon and times are going to be tough, policies will come under greater scrutiny , this making politics interesting again.

You've still got the issue of the two main parties being too similar to stave off voter apathy imo.

 

Possibly until the public realise a leopard never really changes its spots when the tories do get in (which looks inevitable). I'd also agree with CT that there's nothing like austerity to stave off public apathy, trouble is it always seems to hit the North worst and people from the South have shown themselves to be callous cunts in the past regarding this.

I think they're both centre-right parties now tbh. Can't see that changing in a hurry.

Edited March 23, 2009 by alex

[Park Life 71]

I think labour were very luck to come to power at the start of avery big credit bubble. This allowed the public to spend and feel could allowing labour to take credit and build hospitals , schools etc. Politics has been bland since.

 

As I don't think we will see another credit bubble any time soon and times are going to be tough, policies will come under greater scrutiny , this making politics interesting again.

You've still got the issue of the two main parties being too similar to stave off voter apathy imo.

 

Possibly until the public realise a leopard never really changes its spots when the tories do get in (which looks inevitable). I'd also agree with CT that there's nothing like austerity to stave off public apathy, trouble is it always seems to hit the North worst and people from the South have shown themselves to be callous cunts in the past regarding this.

 

 

Agree with Alex, the game has changed forever. The last great looting spree has come to a dead stop. The bigger pisstake is that it will be public money bailing out the thieves.

[Park Life 71]

I think labour were very luck to come to power at the start of avery big credit bubble. This allowed the public to spend and feel could allowing labour to take credit and build hospitals , schools etc. Politics has been bland since.

 

As I don't think we will see another credit bubble any time soon and times are going to be tough, policies will come under greater scrutiny , this making politics interesting again.

You've still got the issue of the two main parties being too similar to stave off voter apathy imo.

 

Possibly until the public realise a leopard never really changes its spots when the tories do get in (which looks inevitable). I'd also agree with CT that there's nothing like austerity to stave off public apathy, trouble is it always seems to hit the North worst and people from the South have shown themselves to be callous cunts in the past regarding this.

I think they're both centre-right parties now tbh. Can't see that changing in a hurry.

 

On top of that within 5-8 years all key strategy will be decided in Brussels.

[Fop 1]

You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults.

You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule.

 

"Society doesnt exist"

Where did Fop do that exactly?

Am i attributing something to you which you think you didnt say?

 

Naughty naughty me, wonder who taught me that trick?

 

(You did say it anyway).

(where? )

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=594824

 

So basically, despite your very best attempts to invent a strawman, Fop didn't do any such thing.

[ChezGiven 0]

You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults.

You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule.

 

"Society doesnt exist"

Where did Fop do that exactly?

Am i attributing something to you which you think you didnt say?

 

Naughty naughty me, wonder who taught me that trick?

 

(You did say it anyway).

(where? )

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=594824

 

So basically, despite your very best attempts to invent a strawman, Fop didn't do any such thing.

 

"I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general polices between Thatcher and Blair/Brown"

 

[Fop 1]

I'd say New Labour's fiscal policy (at least to the extent I understand it) has been strongly influenced by Thatcher but the actually policies of the Tories then and New Labour aren't that comparable really.

There's load of policies that are (when you ignore Chezzy's rubbish attempt to build a strawman around a specific issue), the biggest difference being Thatcher didn't really do spin and no one had thought up replacing "privatised" with "partnership" yet.

I think she'd have approved of a canny few of their policies anyway.

Edit: I'm talking like she's dead already.

A few are her policies, just polished up a bit and maybe given a lick of a different coloured paint.

To be honest Fop I don't know enough about specific policies. I was agreeing with your general comment about there being middle ground on certain issues though. Vast differences on lots of things as well however.

Yeah there are differences too, of course, just a lot less than you'd think when you get beneath the spin and PR.

 

And in some ways even worse, Thatcher's wet dream would be current "terror" legislation - she'd maybe even have got the poll tax to stick with that.

[Guest alex]

I'd say New Labour's fiscal policy (at least to the extent I understand it) has been strongly influenced by Thatcher but the actually policies of the Tories then and New Labour aren't that comparable really.

There's load of policies that are (when you ignore Chezzy's rubbish attempt to build a strawman around a specific issue), the biggest difference being Thatcher didn't really do spin and no one had thought up replacing "privatised" with "partnership" yet.

I think she'd have approved of a canny few of their policies anyway.

Edit: I'm talking like she's dead already.

A few are her policies, just polished up a bit and maybe given a lick of a different coloured paint.

To be honest Fop I don't know enough about specific policies. I was agreeing with your general comment about there being middle ground on certain issues though. Vast differences on lots of things as well however.

Yeah there are differences too, of course, just a lot less than you'd think when you get beneath the spin and PR.

 

And in some ways even worse, Thatcher's wet dream would be current "terror" legislation - she'd maybe even have got the poll tax to stick with that.

Aye, she'd have loved that. She'd have tried to hang 9/11 on the IRA though

[Fop 1]

You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults.

You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule.

 

"Society doesnt exist"

Where did Fop do that exactly?

Am i attributing something to you which you think you didnt say?

 

Naughty naughty me, wonder who taught me that trick?

 

(You did say it anyway).

(where? )

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=594824

 

So basically, despite your very best attempts to invent a strawman, Fop didn't do any such thing.

 

"I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general policies between Thatcher and Blair/Brown"

 

And where is:

 

"You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's."

 

in that? (apart from nowhere, of course )

 

Fop didn't "try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's", so again where did you think Fop did?

[Renton 22497]

You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults.

You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule.

 

"Society doesnt exist"

Where did Fop do that exactly?

Am i attributing something to you which you think you didnt say?

 

Naughty naughty me, wonder who taught me that trick?

 

(You did say it anyway).

(where? )

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=594824

 

So basically, despite your very best attempts to invent a strawman, Fop didn't do any such thing.

 

"I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general policies between Thatcher and Blair/Brown"

 

And where is:

 

"You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's."

 

in that? (apart from nowhere, of course )

 

Fop didn't "try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's", so again where did you think Fop did?

 

So there's a distinction to be made between 'general' policies and 'social' policies is there? Jesus wept.

[Happy Face 29]

I thought this was going to be about Duff and Enrique.