Renton 21042 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 He's not old enough to remember what social policy in the UK looked like under the tories. Those that don't remember the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Fop remembers everything. (but clearly Chezzy forgets very quickly) Christ Fop do you realise what a tool you come across as with posts like that? I see you've reverted to talking in the third person again too, maybe you should up your medication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Labour haven't been remotely anywhere near their old socialist values since the start of Neil Kinnock's leadership, a monkey would know that. This crisis proves how quickly money (with so much deregulation) vanishes from the system. People are left holding the bag once again. We need to get banks accountable again and hit them hard when we catch them fucking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. I dunno that retaking the BoE is absolutely necessary (although maybe, as they will own the whole country soon ), but I'd rather they be put back in charge of regulation (and stronger regulation) rather than keeping the FSA which already failed so spectacularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Labour haven't been remotely anywhere near their old socialist values since the start of Neil Kinnock's leadership, a monkey would know that. Kinnock was fairly socialist. Not compared to the manifesto under Michael Foot and co in '83 (or whenever) but he was certainly true to (old) Labour values. No where near Michael Foot though and that clown before him. Foot was a major reason in millions walking away from the Labour party. The Nuclear thing cost him a shot at prime minister too Kinnock, that and being Welsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only thing that will bring down capitalism / the market imo is a global catastrophe of epic proportions. This is fuck all tbh. It's even fuck all compared to the 30s. There is more to come. All that bad money hiding offshore (bundled toxic debt instruments). Hiding offshore? I have no doubt with falling asset values and rising defaults more debt will go "toxic" but I would love to know where this hidden mountain of toxic debt is you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. I dunno that retaking the BoE is absolutely necessary (although maybe, as they will own the whole country soon ), but I'd rather they be put back in charge of regulation (and stronger regulation) rather than keeping the FSA which already failed so spectacularly. The FSA is a total crock of shit. Unfortunately the only ans now is to get into the Euro and get under the 'bigger umbrella'. The cunts have got what they wanted. England is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Labour haven't been remotely anywhere near their old socialist values since the start of Neil Kinnock's leadership, a monkey would know that. Kinnock was fairly socialist. Not compared to the manifesto under Michael Foot and co in '83 (or whenever) but he was certainly true to (old) Labour values. No where near Michael Foot though and that clown before him. Foot was a major reason in millions walking away from the Labour party. The Nuclear thing cost him a shot at prime minister too Kinnock, that and being Welsh. I just said that man This thread is officially mint btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21042 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Labour haven't been remotely anywhere near their old socialist values since the start of Neil Kinnock's leadership, a monkey would know that. Kinnock was fairly socialist. Not compared to the manifesto under Michael Foot and co in '83 (or whenever) but he was certainly true to (old) Labour values. No where near Michael Foot though and that clown before him. Foot was a major reason in millions walking away from the Labour party. The Nuclear thing cost him a shot at prime minister too Kinnock, that and being Welsh. And being ginger. Foot was unelectable like, much like all the tory candidates were before Cameron. I'm not sure I'd like my PM attired in a Donkey jacket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21042 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. I dunno that retaking the BoE is absolutely necessary (although maybe, as they will own the whole country soon ), but I'd rather they be put back in charge of regulation (and stronger regulation) rather than keeping the FSA which already failed so spectacularly. The FSA is a total crock of shit. Unfortunately the only ans now is to get into the Euro and get under the 'bigger umbrella'. The cunts have got what they wanted. England is finished. We've missed the boat on that one for the forseeable. Do you think France is finished out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 He's not old enough to remember what social policy in the UK looked like under the tories. Those that don't remember the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Fop remembers everything. (but clearly Chezzy forgets very quickly) Christ Fop do you realise what a tool you come across as with posts like that? I see you've reverted to talking in the third person again too, maybe you should up your medication. He's not old enough to remember what social policy in the UK looked like under the tories. Those that don't remember the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Fop remembers everything. (but clearly Chezzy forgets very quickly) Clearly 12 in 1997. You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults. Labour haven't been remotely anywhere near their old socialist values since the start of Neil Kinnock's leadership, a monkey would know that. Kinnock was fairly socialist. Not compared to the manifesto under Michael Foot and co in '83 (or whenever) but he was certainly true to (old) Labour values. He's certainly been milking the system (with his wife) ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. I dunno that retaking the BoE is absolutely necessary (although maybe, as they will own the whole country soon ), but I'd rather they be put back in charge of regulation (and stronger regulation) rather than keeping the FSA which already failed so spectacularly. The FSA is a total crock of shit. Unfortunately the only ans now is to get into the Euro and get under the 'bigger umbrella'. The cunts have got what they wanted. England is finished. This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only thing that will bring down capitalism / the market imo is a global catastrophe of epic proportions. This is fuck all tbh. It's even fuck all compared to the 30s. There is more to come. All that bad money hiding offshore (bundled toxic debt instruments). Hiding offshore? I have no doubt with falling asset values and rising defaults more debt will go "toxic" but I would love to know where this hidden mountain of toxic debt is you speak of? Off-book. Every major European bank is on the brink bar none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 He's certainly been milking the system (with his wife) ever since. Getting the electorate back for not voting him in I reckon. Fair play. He's probably about 10x happier than he would have been anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. I dunno that retaking the BoE is absolutely necessary (although maybe, as they will own the whole country soon ), but I'd rather they be put back in charge of regulation (and stronger regulation) rather than keeping the FSA which already failed so spectacularly. The FSA is a total crock of shit. Unfortunately the only ans now is to get into the Euro and get under the 'bigger umbrella'. The cunts have got what they wanted. England is finished. This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals. I would add nuke Brussels to that list if I may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults. You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule. "Society doesnt exist" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21042 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. I dunno that retaking the BoE is absolutely necessary (although maybe, as they will own the whole country soon ), but I'd rather they be put back in charge of regulation (and stronger regulation) rather than keeping the FSA which already failed so spectacularly. The FSA is a total crock of shit. Unfortunately the only ans now is to get into the Euro and get under the 'bigger umbrella'. The cunts have got what they wanted. England is finished. This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals. I would add nuke Brussels to that list if I may. I actually like Brussels. I'd do away with Germany in its entirety mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm off to Brussels and Bruges next month btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. I dunno that retaking the BoE is absolutely necessary (although maybe, as they will own the whole country soon ), but I'd rather they be put back in charge of regulation (and stronger regulation) rather than keeping the FSA which already failed so spectacularly. The FSA is a total crock of shit. Unfortunately the only ans now is to get into the Euro and get under the 'bigger umbrella'. The cunts have got what they wanted. England is finished. This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals. I would add nuke Brussels to that list if I may. I actually like Brussels. I'd do away with Germany in its entirety mind. Then you'd be getting rid of the only country holding the Euro together fishface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm off to Brussels and Bruges next month btw. We'll hold off for a bit then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals. Since when has it really been free (as in beer)? You always seem to be out to try and take control of that which you don't control (which is basically why the internet is no longer free - as in speech) and bend it to your will (or profits). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm off to Brussels and Bruges next month btw. We'll hold off for a bit then. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 You two make Fop smile with your on tap bile. But it's getting a bit predictable now, as you can't even seem to conjure up one attempt at refuting points before having to resort to pooey pants insults. You didnt make a point and anyone who was politically aware in the 80s would not try to compare Tory social policy with Labour's. Its just absurd and therefore doesnt warrant anything other than ridicule. "Society doesnt exist" Where did Fop do that exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 This and start charging for the internet would be my two policy proposals. Since when has it really been free (as in beer)? You always seem to be out to try and take control of that which you don't control (which is basically why the internet is no longer free - as in speech) and bend it to your will (or profits). I meant charge for information, like newspapers etc. It'll probably happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'd say New Labour's fiscal policy (at least to the extent I understand it) has been strongly influenced by Thatcher but the actually policies of the Tories then and New Labour aren't that comparable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only thing that will bring down capitalism / the market imo is a global catastrophe of epic proportions. This is fuck all tbh. It's even fuck all compared to the 30s. There is more to come. All that bad money hiding offshore (bundled toxic debt instruments). Hiding offshore? I have no doubt with falling asset values and rising defaults more debt will go "toxic" but I would love to know where this hidden mountain of toxic debt is you speak of? Off-book. Every major European bank is on the brink bar none. I suggest you go away a read IAS32 and IAS39. Then we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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