Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more **** you muppet. Wow youre a proper little keyboard warrior arent you? I am fully aware of where new labour stand in the political spectrum however their softly, softly approach has bred this layabout subculture who think they are entitled something it for nothing. As for state intervention remind me of how many nationalised banks we have now? I really don't think you have the first clue DB. Sorry. ha ha really. nothing like a reasoned, well thought out point. Maybe you are just too detached over there? Ok...(Yawn) What is your point about the banks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more **** you muppet. Wow youre a proper little keyboard warrior arent you? I am fully aware of where new labour stand in the political spectrum however their softly, softly approach has bred this layabout subculture who think they are entitled something it for nothing. As for state intervention remind me of how many nationalised banks we have now? Keeping you in a job though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more **** you muppet. Wow youre a proper little keyboard warrior arent you? I am fully aware of where new labour stand in the political spectrum however their softly, softly approach has bred this layabout subculture who think they are entitled something it for nothing. As for state intervention remind me of how many nationalised banks we have now? Keeping you in a job though He doesn't even understand the basic linkage in the failure of deregulation and poor risk assessment/taking/greed. Market forces are failing yet we still have bufoons posting as if it were 1985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more **** you muppet. Wow youre a proper little keyboard warrior arent you? I am fully aware of where new labour stand in the political spectrum however their softly, softly approach has bred this layabout subculture who think they are entitled something it for nothing. As for state intervention remind me of how many nationalised banks we have now? I really don't think you have the first clue DB. Sorry. ha ha really. nothing like a reasoned, well thought out point. Maybe you are just too detached over there? Ok...(Yawn) What is your point about the banks? You said there was more state intervention in countries such as Spain and Germany. Yet in this country the government own a controlling stake in, Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds / HBOS. You don't get much more intervention than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more **** you muppet. Wow youre a proper little keyboard warrior arent you? I am fully aware of where new labour stand in the political spectrum however their softly, softly approach has bred this layabout subculture who think they are entitled something it for nothing. As for state intervention remind me of how many nationalised banks we have now? I really don't think you have the first clue DB. Sorry. ha ha really. nothing like a reasoned, well thought out point. Maybe you are just too detached over there? Ok...(Yawn) What is your point about the banks? You said there was more state intervention in countries such as Spain and Germany. Yet in this country the government own a controlling stake in, Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds / HBOS. You don't get much more intervention than that. THAT IS CAUSE CAPITALISM IS FAILING YOU THICK CUNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more shit you muppet. I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general polices between Thatcher and Blair/Brown (apart from that Blair/Brown should have realised that they'd failed and were a mistake). John Smith's death was a tragedy for the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) I don't understand how left wing politics and Labour's layabout subculture are in any way related since in my experience said layabouts are obnoxious, right wing Jezza Kyle fodder. Edited March 23, 2009 by Ketsbaia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30162 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yet in this country the government own a controlling stake in, Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds / HBOS. You don't get much more intervention than that. And if you knew anything you'd know that they did that out of necessity, not because of any political leanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more **** you muppet. Wow youre a proper little keyboard warrior arent you? I am fully aware of where new labour stand in the political spectrum however their softly, softly approach has bred this layabout subculture who think they are entitled something it for nothing. As for state intervention remind me of how many nationalised banks we have now? Keeping you in a job though He doesn't even understand the basic linkage in the failure of deregulation and poor risk assessment/taking/greed. Market forces are failing yet we still have bufoons posting as if it were 1985. Of course I understand what has caused it, I was merely commenting on your wildly inaccurate point about state intervention and in my original point about a subculture that is growing in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The layabout culture has been there long before 1997, if not forever, in one way or another. It is this parasitic group that is eating away at and will be the ruin of this country. How we will continue to pay for them as well as an ever ageing needy generation is quite a problem. We will slaughter the old and feed them to the young, thereby completing the circle of life. Everybody sing along now and remember it's all ok: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yet in this country the government own a controlling stake in, Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds / HBOS. You don't get much more intervention than that. And if you knew anything you'd know that they did that out of necessity, not because of any political leanings. You are talking as if what they have done has solved the problem? Now the risk has gone from the banks falling over to the government going bankrupt. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more shit you muppet. I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general polices between Thatcher and Blair/Brown (apart from that Blair/Brown should have realised that they'd failed and were a mistake). John Smith's death was a tragedy for the country. Some sense at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I don't understand how left wing politics and Labour's layabout subculture are in any way related since in my experience said layabouts are obnoxious, right wing Jezza Kyle fodder. That will be Labours death-knell, they are ignoring the issue that their historic core voters are ever more likely to vote BNP than Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only thing that will bring down capitalism / the market imo is a global catastrophe of epic proportions. This is fuck all tbh. It's even fuck all compared to the 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21042 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more shit you muppet. I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general polices between Thatcher and Blair/Brown (apart from that Blair/Brown should have realised that they'd failed and were a mistake). John Smith's death was a tragedy for the country. Utter horse shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30162 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yet in this country the government own a controlling stake in, Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds / HBOS. You don't get much more intervention than that. And if you knew anything you'd know that they did that out of necessity, not because of any political leanings. You are talking as if what they have done has solved the problem? Now the risk has gone from the banks falling over to the government going bankrupt. Great. It solved the problem that needed to be solved at the time, however, there are obviously problems linked to that which weren't given enough thought at the time but they will be solved over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more shit you muppet. I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general polices between Thatcher and Blair/Brown (apart from that Blair/Brown should have realised that they'd failed and were a mistake). John Smith's death was a tragedy for the country. Utter horse shit. He's not old enough to remember what social policy in the UK looked like under the tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one. GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets. France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention. Get a clue before you post more shit you muppet. I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general polices between Thatcher and Blair/Brown (apart from that Blair/Brown should have realised that they'd failed and were a mistake). John Smith's death was a tragedy for the country. Utter horse shit. Fop does love your deep, intricately constructed and well thought-out counter arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tbh Parky those who are claiming that a recession and a banking crisis marks the end of market forces are also buffoons. We going to regulate the bread market soon? Put chicken on the national health? Allocate clothing via the queue mechanism? Make foreign cars illegal and force people to sign up for a national make? All markets have regulations or forces that hinder their ability to bring a buyer and seller together, that can be a legal framework that hinders unbridled credit markets, an import tax that increases domestic competitiveness or a geographical hindance like the distance between the buyer and seller. Agreed. The system will need restructuring (re-regulating) with an eye to capital flows and risk management and also perhaps a closer look at risk insurance (where the Germans got caught out - vis a vie Deutsche Bank). We are paying the price for over de-regulation. Now common sense and massive fiscal intervention (I agree with the package) should theoretically correct funding flows. Ironically we will be imo where we ought to have been in the beginning of the 90's ie oversight on massive market forces and I'd go further and re-take control of the Bank of England for a spell. Any ideas welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Labour haven't been remotely anywhere near their old socialist values since the start of Neil Kinnock's leadership, a monkey would know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 He's not old enough to remember what social policy in the UK looked like under the tories. Those that don't remember the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Fop remembers everything. (but clearly Chezzy forgets very quickly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 The only thing that will bring down capitalism / the market imo is a global catastrophe of epic proportions. This is fuck all tbh. It's even fuck all compared to the 30s. There is more to come. All that bad money hiding offshore (bundled toxic debt instruments). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Labour haven't been remotely anywhere near their old socialist values since the start of Neil Kinnock's leadership, a monkey would know that. Kinnock was fairly socialist. Not compared to the manifesto under Michael Foot and co in '83 (or whenever) but he was certainly true to (old) Labour values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 He's not old enough to remember what social policy in the UK looked like under the tories. Those that don't remember the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Fop remembers everything. (but clearly Chezzy forgets very quickly) Clearly 12 in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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