Drugs - Time to legalise - The Economist

[Guest alex]

Put those claws away dahlink.

[trophyshy 7084]

MVB could take double anything you could.

[Guest alex]

MVB could take double anything you could.

And still run a mile.

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

I saw a documentary on telly once where as a trial, a doctor was able to prescribe heroin to patients of her's who were registered addicts. This was a while ago so I'm a little sketchy on the details but it was somewhere on the South coast (Bournemouth maybe). Anyway, it featured this one lass who was eventually able to wean herself off heroin and, because she wasn't trying to score all day she was able to work and have a 'normal' life etc. The scheme worked pretty well in general and appeared to a lot better than the general tactic of replacing (or trying to replace) heroin dependence with methadone dependence. Sadly the scheme wasn't carried out on a more widespread basis because the issue is a political hot potato. Of course it'll only work for people who want to give up but that's the same with anything. Sad how pragmatism never seems to win through on issues such as this.

 

That occurs in a few places, but I don't think it's any more successful in general at getting people off it than methadone is (and methadone is basically useless as breaking the addiction, just ok at swapping it).

 

I mean there are odd cases of functional heroin addicts, but that doesn't mean most are, or that those that might try it if it were legal would be.

 

And even if there were it would still go back to the "drug class" issue.

 

 

 

 

 

Bring unable to keep drugs out a prison says a lot mind, although it's mostly about how badly any "war" is being fought.

The scheme involved gradual weaning off by ever decreasing amounts being prescribed. The programme suggested the statistics were a lot better than those for methadone schemes. Difficult to say when it's just done in one area with quite a small sample etc. The point though is more about how government policy panders to moral outrage and outdated attitudes rather than what actually works or works better than what we have at present.

 

Youre basing this theory on the fact that heroin addicts want to get off the heroin. Most of the ones I know are quite happy taking heroin and have no fancy to get off it.

 

Say what you like, the fact drugs are illegal makes them harder to come by and therefore less people get hooked. If you legalise it and open it up to the masses your opening up pandoras box. For every normal bloke who can snort a few lines and live his life normally theres another 10 numbskulls who will take it as an opportunity to shove as much shit as they can into their system and OD or become addicted. I think you are vastly overestimating the average British man/woman today with some of the comments above. I refer you again to alcohol. Freely available and look at how many idiots abuse that and cant moderate their intake. At least alcohol tends to be longer term side effects. Ecstacy, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Heroin etc. can have catastrophic effects after just one dose

It's not my theory for one thing. Secondly I already said any scheme needs the person involved to want to come off the drugs. Thirdly, point to where I've advocated widespread legalisation of drugs like heroin.

In other words, try reading what I actually wrote.

Well it could be worse man, imagine being sad enough to announce to everyone you're leaving a message board as you can't take the grief anymore, then signing up under a pseudo as not to be recognise. I'm so glad that my dabbling in narcotics has never meant I've done something as stupid as that.

 

In the grand scheme of things its not really top of the sad mountain is it not like, say . . . . taking lots of drugs cos my personality is a bit shit otherwise

 

And alex, my message was aimed at the general attitude in this thread rather than directly at you.

[trophyshy 7084]

your personality seems like it needs no enlightening whatsoever Kid.

[Guest alex]

You quoted me and addressed what I was on about so it stands to reason I thought it was directed (at least partly) at me. It clearly was as well

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

My friends, family, work colleagues etc. find me just fine when im not high thanks

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

You quoted me and addressed what I was on about so it stands to reason I thought it was directed (at least partly) at me. It clearly was as well

 

Well it was kind of, seeing as your opinon was similar to everyone elses.

[Guest alex]

It's not always about being so sad you need drugs man. People do them because they enjoy them as much as anything. Although it's more than a bit ridiculous lumping them all together. But I always wanted to try stuff. You're only here once so give it a whirl was my viewpoint. I was always mindful on not wanting to damage my health - mental or physical - but at the same time if I did like something I probably would do it again. I don't think doing them or not doing them necessarily makes cool, boring, sad or whatever. To each his own, as I see it. There are some things I wouldn't do again in the future (or certainly wouldn't actively seek out anyway). I think it is a bit sad when you see old clubbers off their tits or whatever. It's a massive subject though KD and you look daft (imo) when you make sweeping statements about stuff you clearly know absolutely fuck all about.

[Guest alex]

You quoted me and addressed what I was on about so it stands to reason I thought it was directed (at least partly) at me. It clearly was as well

 

Well it was kind of, seeing as your opinon was similar to everyone elses.

Those sweeping statements again

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

Fair enough, the point still stands that you arent really representative of the general british population. If everyone in the country had your viewpoint or your self control then maybe legalising drugs would be an option. But all you have to do is step into town at midnight on a saturday for some sort of insight as to what may happen.

[Guest alex]

Fair enough, the point still stands that you arent really representative of the general british population. If everyone in the country had your viewpoint or your self control then maybe legalising drugs would be an option. But all you have to do is step into town at midnight on a saturday for some sort of insight as to what may happen.

I can't think of many illegal drugs that make people behave the same way as alcohol does. But there you go again - each drug is a unique issue but you're lumping them all into together. Mind, shitloads of people will be coked-up to the eyeballs in Town on a weekend.

[Tooj 17]

I saw a documentary on telly once where as a trial, a doctor was able to prescribe heroin to patients of her's who were registered addicts. This was a while ago so I'm a little sketchy on the details but it was somewhere on the South coast (Bournemouth maybe). Anyway, it featured this one lass who was eventually able to wean herself off heroin and, because she wasn't trying to score all day she was able to work and have a 'normal' life etc. The scheme worked pretty well in general and appeared to a lot better than the general tactic of replacing (or trying to replace) heroin dependence with methadone dependence. Sadly the scheme wasn't carried out on a more widespread basis because the issue is a political hot potato. Of course it'll only work for people who want to give up but that's the same with anything. Sad how pragmatism never seems to win through on issues such as this.

 

That occurs in a few places, but I don't think it's any more successful in general at getting people off it than methadone is (and methadone is basically useless as breaking the addiction, just ok at swapping it).

 

I mean there are odd cases of functional heroin addicts, but that doesn't mean most are, or that those that might try it if it were legal would be.

 

And even if there were it would still go back to the "drug class" issue.

 

 

 

 

 

Bring unable to keep drugs out a prison says a lot mind, although it's mostly about how badly any "war" is being fought.

The scheme involved gradual weaning off by ever decreasing amounts being prescribed. The programme suggested the statistics were a lot better than those for methadone schemes. Difficult to say when it's just done in one area with quite a small sample etc. The point though is more about how government policy panders to moral outrage and outdated attitudes rather than what actually works or works better than what we have at present.

 

Youre basing this theory on the fact that heroin addicts want to get off the heroin. Most of the ones I know are quite happy taking heroin and have no fancy to get off it.

 

Say what you like, the fact drugs are illegal makes them harder to come by and therefore less people get hooked. If you legalise it and open it up to the masses your opening up pandoras box. For every normal bloke who can snort a few lines and live his life normally theres another 10 numbskulls who will take it as an opportunity to shove as much shit as they can into their system and OD or become addicted. I think you are vastly overestimating the average British man/woman today with some of the comments above. I refer you again to alcohol. Freely available and look at how many idiots abuse that and cant moderate their intake. At least alcohol tends to be longer term side effects. Ecstacy, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Heroin etc. can have catastrophic effects after just one dose

It's not my theory for one thing. Secondly I already said any scheme needs the person involved to want to come off the drugs. Thirdly, point to where I've advocated widespread legalisation of drugs like heroin.

In other words, try reading what I actually wrote.

Well it could be worse man, imagine being sad enough to announce to everyone you're leaving a message board as you can't take the grief anymore, then signing up under a pseudo as not to be recognise. I'm so glad that my dabbling in narcotics has never meant I've done something as stupid as that.

 

In the grand scheme of things its not really top of the sad mountain is it not like, say . . . . taking lots of drugs cos my personality is a bit shit otherwise

 

And alex, my message was aimed at the general attitude in this thread rather than directly at you.

You really haven't got the first idea tbh.

 

I respect the fact you chose not to take drugs or alcohol, and that is your choice. What I don't respect is your patronising attitude to something you don't have the first clue about. The fact that you consider yourself better than someone who dabbles in the above. The fact that you see fit to mention all of the time that you don't do any of these. I don't push my beliefs on others, if they don't take anything I'm not going to force them to do that. Much like if I never did I wouldn't preach how wrong I think things are and look down on people for doing so.

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

Amphetamines and cocaine, 2 of the most widely used recreational drugs do have that effect unfortunately. And im sure everyone is aware that it only takes one MDMA to kill you.

 

Im not so much against Cannabis, and would rather have cannabis legal then alcohol if truth be told

[Kitman 2207]

Say what you like, the fact drugs are illegal makes them harder to come by and therefore less people get hooked. If you legalise it and open it up to the masses your opening up pandoras box. For every normal bloke who can snort a few lines and live his life normally theres another 10 numbskulls who will take it as an opportunity to shove as much shit as they can into their system and OD or become addicted. I think you are vastly overestimating the average British man/woman today with some of the comments above. I refer you again to alcohol. Freely available and look at how many idiots abuse that and cant moderate their intake. At least alcohol tends to be longer term side effects. Ecstacy, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Heroin etc. can have catastrophic effects after just one dose

 

I think you have a simplistic view of this issue. People who want to get into drugs do so with very little difficulty these days. Prohibition has failed in that respect. Also nobody as far as I can tell in this thread is advocating free drugs for all; the idea is that by taking the lucrative trade off the dealers, and by attempting to regulate the consumption and quality, you might benefit both addicts and society as a whole and achieve a measure of control where none currently exists.

 

Furthermore, you seem to have absolute contempt for your fellow man in general, and assume that at the first opportunity people will be out on a drug fuelled binge. Personally I prefer to believe if you give people education and opportunity, they wouldn't choose a life of addiction and hopelessless. I accept this may be a naive viewpoint.

[Ayatollah Hermione 14043]

I'd like to back up KD by mentioning that the only reason I take drugs is to fill the hole in my hollow life.

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

I knew i was right

[trophyshy 7084]

I'd like to back up KD by mentioning that the only reason I take drugs is to fill the hole in my hollow life.

 

I have this week started collecting 1980's arcade games, perhaps I can save you from yourself?

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

You sound cool enough that you dont need drugs dude!!! They wil only affect your technique

[trophyshy 7084]

You sound cool enough that you dont need drugs dude!!! They wil only affect your technique

 

 

I like you despite yourself.

[Tooj 17]

I'd like to back up KD by mentioning that the only reason I take drugs is to fill the hole in my hollow life.

I take them because I enjoy getting mashed.

[Kid Dynamite 7167]

You sound cool enough that you dont need drugs dude!!! They wil only affect your technique

 

 

I like you despite yourself.

 

i would like to state that even though I dont take drugs i am fully aware that i am a cunt

[Tom 14013]

I'd like to back up KD by mentioning that the only reason I take drugs is to fill the hole in my hollow life.

I take them because I enjoy getting mashed.

 

+ 1

[Fop 1]

I'd like to back up KD by mentioning that the only reason I take drugs is to fill the hole in my hollow life.

I take them because I enjoy getting mashed.

 

 

Got Heroin?™

[The Fish 10962]

You sound cool enough that you dont need drugs dude!!! They wil only affect your technique

 

 

I like you despite yourself.

 

i would like to state that even though I dont take drugs i am fully aware that i am a cunt

Then maybe you should take drugs to improve your personality?

 

As has been said, to boil such a divisive subject into people who drugs are cunt and people who don't are sad is an oversimplification of staggering proportion. I think 90% of KD's posts are because he likes getting a bite and this is a subject he knows he can raise someones ire with.