Renton 21588 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Completely agree. The moral and legal basis for drugs being prohibited is harm, for the law to be coherent (an absolute must for any moral code) then equivalent harm needs to be treated equivalently. That doesn't take into account historical norms though. There's a massive difference between prohibiting alcohol (doomed to failure any way) and keeping class A drugs as illegal. Gloom, coke and alcohol, as you have already pointed out, go together synergistically, which is one reason it's so harmful. It's not unusual for people to binge on alcohol in excess of 100 units in a session if they're coked up. I don't think increasing the availability of it is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Historical norms like 'it was the 1970s, our attitude towards paedophilia was different back then'? Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6582 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Cannabis, maybe (though I don't think it should for practical reasons). Cocaine, no way. I was banging a Doctor recently and she said that Cannabis was by far the worst drug going around. Can proper fuck you up apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6582 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 God knows whats in cocaine by the time it reaches street level . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21588 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Historical norms like 'it was the 1970s, our attitude towards paedophilia was different back then'? Nonsense. Eh? Fairly sure practising paedophilia has always been illegal and are you seriously comparing that to alcohol consumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Consistency is non-negotiable and historical norms are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35063 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Yeah, I would argue making alcohol illegal is the more logical alternative giving the number of deaths it contributes to annually What's logical about that? What you're advocating is deregulation of a substance which is so easy to produce that prisoners manage it with some fruit, sugar, water and a plastic bag. How long would it take before anyone who wanted to would produce their own booze? That's without even considering how quickly smuggling would flood the market. Even if you could prevent smuggling (which isn't remotely realistic) or ban it worldwide (ditto), then the homemade stuff would be everywhere. It would most likely taste like shit on the whole too, so you'd be actively discouraging many people who enjoy the odd glass of wine or whatever with a meal / of an evening etc., i.e. those who enjoy the taste and chilling out rather than getting drunk. Meanwhile pissheads and people with genuine drink problems would create and obtain what would be, in many cases, a dangerous product (both in terms of consumption and risks of fire / explosion.) There would still be the public health issues of death, addiction etc. (arguably more so) but the treasury wouldn't get the money which helps offset that. On top of that, it would cost an absolute fortune were you to try and police the ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 God knows whats in cocaine by the time it reaches street level . The main reason I avoid it now. You even get cunts trying to double the price and describe it as 'pure' and it's just as shit as the cheapest stuff. Ketamine though, wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I was banging a Doctor recently and she said that Cannabis was by far the worst drug going around. Can proper fuck you up apparently. Odd conversation to have during sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6582 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Odd conversation to have during sex. Some people just have to take their work home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Does your lass drink j69? You must be such bad company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 That doesn't take into account historical norms though. There's a massive difference between prohibiting alcohol (doomed to failure any way) and keeping class A drugs as illegal. Gloom, coke and alcohol, as you have already pointed out, go together synergistically, which is one reason it's so harmful. It's not unusual for people to binge on alcohol in excess of 100 units in a session if they're coked up. I don't think increasing the availability of it is a good idea. a standard friday night back in the day no drug is good for you but in my opinion the dangers of taking them are overblown. it should be down to the individual to make an informed choice and not have to endure the risks of buying crap on the streets. i doubt this will ever happen, but at the very least i think the drug classification laws in this country should be reviewed and the punishments for possession and personal use should be massively downgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I went through a weed smoking phase and I started getting really anxious highs, and I had what I'm pretty sure was a panic attack so I stopped. I hate it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20115 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 What pisses me off about drugs, is the attitude to people driving whilst smoking weed. Fucking scum bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I went through a weed smoking phase and I started getting really anxious highs, and I had what I'm pretty sure was a panic attack so I stopped. I hate it now. i gave up after having a kid, the two don't really mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21588 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I used cannnabis quite a bit back in the day and Tbh really regret it because it definitely damaged my motivation. People are all wired differently at the end of the day and react differently to individual drugs and alcohol. Alcohol can't be banned now, but its a stupid argument to say because of that all drugs should be legalized imo. Hi Alex btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 What's logical about that? What you're advocating is deregulation of a substance which is so easy to produce that prisoners manage it with some fruit, sugar, water and a plastic bag. How long would it take before anyone who wanted to would produce their own booze? That's without even considering how quickly smuggling would flood the market. Even if you could prevent smuggling (which isn't remotely realistic) or ban it worldwide (ditto), then the homemade stuff would be everywhere. It would most likely taste like shit on the whole too, so you'd be actively discouraging many people who enjoy the odd glass of wine or whatever with a meal / of an evening etc., i.e. those who enjoy the taste and chilling out rather than getting drunk. Meanwhile pissheads and people with genuine drink problems would create and obtain what would be, in many cases, a dangerous product (both in terms of consumption and risks of fire / explosion.) There would still be the public health issues of death, addiction etc. (arguably more so) but the treasury wouldn't get the money which helps offset that. On top of that, it would cost an absolute fortune were you to try and police the ban. welcome back! all it took was some drug chat to lure you back from wherever you've been hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21588 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 What pisses me off about drugs, is the attitude to people driving whilst smoking weed. Fucking scum bags. Stays in the body for days too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) I used cannnabis quite a bit back in the day and Tbh really regret it because it definitely damaged my motivation. People are all wired differently at the end of the day and react differently to individual drugs and alcohol. Alcohol can't be banned now, but its a stupid argument to say because of that all drugs should be legalized imo. Hi Alex btw. Motivation in what aspect? If you're going to blame being overweight on it then you're as bad as those who cry 'genetics' Edited July 29, 2014 by ClubSpinDoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21588 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Motivation in what aspect? If you're going to blame being overweight on it then you're as bad as those who cry 'genetics' No, I was a skinny bastard then, despite the munchies. I mean it was damaging academically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) What's logical about that? What you're advocating is deregulation of a substance which is so easy to produce that prisoners manage it with some fruit, sugar, water and a plastic bag. How long would it take before anyone who wanted to would produce their own booze? That's without even considering how quickly smuggling would flood the market. Even if you could prevent smuggling (which isn't remotely realistic) or ban it worldwide (ditto), then the homemade stuff would be everywhere. It would most likely taste like shit on the whole too, so you'd be actively discouraging many people who enjoy the odd glass of wine or whatever with a meal / of an evening etc., i.e. those who enjoy the taste and chilling out rather than getting drunk. Meanwhile pissheads and people with genuine drink problems would create and obtain what would be, in many cases, a dangerous product (both in terms of consumption and risks of fire / explosion.) There would still be the public health issues of death, addiction etc. (arguably more so) but the treasury wouldn't get the money which helps offset that. On top of that, it would cost an absolute fortune were you to try and police the ban.You missed the point spectacularly. It was suggested Alcohol - bad for you - legal Drugs - bad for you - illegal So why not make drugs legal too Edited Edited July 29, 2014 by TheRollingStones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 it's fucking bonkers that something like weed is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 it's fucking bonkers that something like weed is illegal. Or anything else that can be grown naturally. The underlying issue is personal choice/responsibility and the control of that by states - my view is that the fact that drugs were only declared illegal when their use spread to the masses show that control is the reason not health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21588 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 it's fucking bonkers that something like weed is illegal. It's really not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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