Park Life 71 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I saw a documentary on telly once where as a trial, a doctor was able to prescribe heroin to patients of her's who were registered addicts. This was a while ago so I'm a little sketchy on the details but it was somewhere on the South coast (Bournemouth maybe). Anyway, it featured this one lass who was eventually able to wean herself off heroin and, because she wasn't trying to score all day she was able to work and have a 'normal' life etc. The scheme worked pretty well in general and appeared to a lot better than the general tactic of replacing (or trying to replace) heroin dependence with methadone dependence. Sadly the scheme wasn't carried out on a more widespread basis because the issue is a political hot potato. Of course it'll only work for people who want to give up but that's the same with anything. Sad how pragmatism never seems to win through on issues such as this. That occurs in a few places, but I don't think it's any more successful in general at getting people off it than methadone is (and methadone is basically useless as breaking the addiction, just ok at swapping it). I mean there are odd cases of functional heroin addicts, but that doesn't mean most are, or that those that might try it if it were legal would be. And even if there were it would still go back to the "drug class" issue. Bring unable to keep drugs out a prison says a lot mind, although it's mostly about how badly any "war" is being fought. The scheme involved gradual weaning off by ever decreasing amounts being prescribed. The programme suggested the statistics were a lot better than those for methadone schemes. Difficult to say when it's just done in one area with quite a small sample etc. The point though is more about how government policy panders to moral outrage and outdated attitudes rather than what actually works or works better than what we have at present. Youre basing this theory on the fact that heroin addicts want to get off the heroin. Most of the ones I know are quite happy taking heroin and have no fancy to get off it. Say what you like, the fact drugs are illegal makes them harder to come by and therefore less people get hooked. If you legalise it and open it up to the masses your opening up pandoras box. For every normal bloke who can snort a few lines and live his life normally theres another 10 numbskulls who will take it as an opportunity to shove as much shit as they can into their system and OD or become addicted. I think you are vastly overestimating the average British man/woman today with some of the comments above. I refer you again to alcohol. Freely available and look at how many idiots abuse that and cant moderate their intake. At least alcohol tends to be longer term side effects. Ecstacy, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Heroin etc. can have catastrophic effects after just one dose It's not my theory for one thing. Secondly I already said any scheme needs the person involved to want to come off the drugs. Thirdly, point to where I've advocated widespread legalisation of drugs like heroin. In other words, try reading what I actually wrote. Well it could be worse man, imagine being sad enough to announce to everyone you're leaving a message board as you can't take the grief anymore, then signing up under a pseudo as not to be recognise. I'm so glad that my dabbling in narcotics has never meant I've done something as stupid as that. In the grand scheme of things its not really top of the sad mountain is it not like, say . . . . taking lots of drugs cos my personality is a bit shit otherwise And alex, my message was aimed at the general attitude in this thread rather than directly at you. You really haven't got the first idea tbh. I respect the fact you chose not to take drugs or alcohol, and that is your choice. What I don't respect is your patronising attitude to something you don't have the first clue about. The fact that you consider yourself better than someone who dabbles in the above. The fact that you see fit to mention all of the time that you don't do any of these. I don't push my beliefs on others, if they don't take anything I'm not going to force them to do that. Much like if I never did I wouldn't preach how wrong I think things are and look down on people for doing so. I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Your not even joking are you Im a bit like that with lads who dont like football. Definately closet homs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 But you're not narrow minded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I know. I love all types of football. Thats why you can find me at Blyth and Whickham matches as often as at St James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't trust people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos hes cool Its always the first question people ask me when they find out I dont drink. Like im some sort of freak cos i dont get mingning every weekend. They expect me to be a recovering alcoholic or have some sort of medical reason. They cant quite fathom that I just dont want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos hes cool Its always the first question people ask me when they find out I dont drink. Like im some sort of freak cos i dont get mingning every weekend. They expect me to be a recovering alcoholic or have some sort of medical reason. They cant quite fathom that I just dont want to But why? You don't like the taste? You don't like the feeling? You want to stay in total unabated robotic control of all things at all times? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 The last one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos ive got no interest in it anymore. the idea of spunking £30-£60 on a single night out and then a day recovering just doesnt appeal. at one time getting completely spackered was very important to me but i kinda got out of the habit of going out every other day and started spending my money on other things (like buying 7 copies of the same film on dvd ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 The last one You see, that is why you can't be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos ive got no interest in it anymore. the idea of spunking £30-£60 on a single night out and then a day recovering just doesnt appeal. at one time getting completely spackered was very important to me but i kinda got out of the habit of going out every other day and started spending my money on other things (like buying 7 copies of the same film on dvd ). You used to drink, so that doesn't count. You can be trusted. Nearly always when I come across someone who doesn't drink, some light delving soon reveals you have a nutter on your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos hes cool Its always the first question people ask me when they find out I dont drink. Like im some sort of freak cos i dont get mingning every weekend. They expect me to be a recovering alcoholic or have some sort of medical reason. They cant quite fathom that I just dont want to This is my problem with people like you. I drink but I don't get minging every weekend, in fact none of my mates do. Alcohol doesn't turn you into an idiot, being an idiot makes you an idiot. To use "I don't like getting minging" as a reason not to drink is like using "I don't like driving my car the wrong way round a roundabout" as a reason not to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 So what is the reason? It cant be cos of the taste cos its horrible. GIve me a sprite anyday. It cant be for the price either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 So what is the reason? It cant be cos of the taste cos its horrible. GIve me a sprite anyday. It cant be for the price either? Alcohol doesn't taste the same, Wine tastes like one thing, Lager another, Whisky, Vodka, Rum, Bourbon all different and all have a variety within their sub-sects. So it can be the taste. It's also the social aspect of it, going out for a pint is, whether you approve or not, part and parcel of British culture, not going out to get Whitley Bayed, but just a casual drink and a chat with mates down the pub with a pint. The price is, at times, extortionate, but often I've found soft drinks to be pricer than their alcoholic brethren and certainly you're more likely to find the syrup mix that bars use to be extremely watered down. I also enjoy the felling of a few pints, I don't need a drink to have a good time, but having drinks certainly doesn't turn me into a drooling fool as you presume it to. Like I've said many times before you persistently confuse the vast majority of people who drink, with people who're drunks. Staying in and getting shitted on Jack Daniels by yourself is sad, going out and having a beer or two is not. Getting so drunk you vomit on the streets makes you embarrassment, but it also puts you in a well publicised and oft highlight minority. My mum drinks alcohol, but I doubt she's ever been drunk in her life. It's not black and white KD, not at all, one swallow does not a summer make... ditto for marijuana, cocaine and ecstasy imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos ive got no interest in it anymore. the idea of spunking £30-£60 on a single night out and then a day recovering just doesnt appeal. at one time getting completely spackered was very important to me but i kinda got out of the habit of going out every other day and started spending my money on other things (like buying 7 copies of the same film on dvd ). You used to drink, so that doesn't count. You can be trusted. Nearly always when I come across someone who doesn't drink, some light delving soon reveals you have a nutter on your hands. That last one probably applies to me I am attempting to drop drinking from my life. I have come to realise that I don't need to drink to enjoy myself. There is the theory that a person can just have one, but I can say in all honesty that one drink has always had an effect on me. I could go on, but I don't want to bore you all (again ), suffice it to say that I feel 100% happier - both physically and mentally - if I can spend an evening out without drinking. The FACT! is that I can still have a good laugh and a joke without drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 fuck me SH, never had you down as a noofta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 fuck me SH, never had you down as a noofta! Being sober, makes me perform much better for the laydees anarl And, if they're pissed and I'm sober, there's far more chance of me getting to knob them anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Drink! for you know not whence you came nor why: drink! for you know not why you go, nor where. Drink! for you live to get minging on a Satdee, innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos hes cool Its always the first question people ask me when they find out I dont drink. Like im some sort of freak cos i dont get mingning every weekend. They expect me to be a recovering alcoholic or have some sort of medical reason. They cant quite fathom that I just dont want to Not everyone who drinks does it just to get minging every weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 (edited) I don't trust people Including police people? Edited March 10, 2009 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I don't really trust anyone who doesn't drink. I dont drink Why? Cos ive got no interest in it anymore. the idea of spunking £30-£60 on a single night out and then a day recovering just doesnt appeal. at one time getting completely spackered was very important to me but i kinda got out of the habit of going out every other day and started spending my money on other things (like buying 7 copies of the same film on dvd ). You used to drink, so that doesn't count. You can be trusted. Nearly always when I come across someone who doesn't drink, some light delving soon reveals you have a nutter on your hands. That last one probably applies to me I am attempting to drop drinking from my life. I have come to realise that I don't need to drink to enjoy myself. There is the theory that a person can just have one, but I can say in all honesty that one drink has always had an effect on me. I could go on, but I don't want to bore you all (again ), suffice it to say that I feel 100% happier - both physically and mentally - if I can spend an evening out without drinking. The FACT! is that I can still have a good laugh and a joke without drinking. Just need to kick the heroin and you'll be sorted, although everything is funnier on smack. Good for coughs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Amphetamines and cocaine, 2 of the most widely used recreational drugs do have that effect unfortunately. And im sure everyone is aware that it only takes one MDMA to kill you.Im not so much against Cannabis, and would rather have cannabis legal then alcohol if truth be told I think that message actually did more harm than good. It came about mainly after the Leah Betts tragedy and once people twigged how low the risk was of that actually happening the use of ecstasy went up if anything. I think speed and coke are more likely to kill you, along with drink - i.e. in a one-off 'overdose'. I seem to remember reading something to that effect at the time. A much more important issue should have been the long-term effects of prolonged use of MDMA. Unfortunately the tabloids weren't so keen on that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Leah Betts died of drinking too much water - not due to the actual drugs. A drugs advisor got into trounble a couple of weeks ago for having the temerity to state that more people die pursuing horse riding (which could be said to be adrenalin based) than did through ecstacy but was then bullied into withdrawing the remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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