IF We go down

[Guest alex]

You know what he meant though Fop, surely. The emphasis may have been revised - i.e. it's not a 'massive' positive. But it's all relative in that it may be a big positive compared to other things if we went down. No one (or hardly anyone) sees relegation as a good thing. I think it's a fair point about the way we are a 'gravy train' and have been for a while now.

I fucking hate the way things are and the way it turns loads of fans against each other like. The cunts in charge even has us fighting over NUSC as though that's the big issue the board would have us believe it is. Leazes is sort of right in a way when he said some people almost deserve Ashley and co. mind.

[Fop 1]

You know what he meant though Fop, surely. The emphasis may have been revised - i.e. it's not a 'massive' positive. But it's all relative in that it may be a big positive compared to other things if we went down. No one (or hardly anyone) sees relegation as a good thing. I think it's a fair point about the way we are a 'gravy train' and have been for a while now.

I fucking hate the way things are and the way it turns loads of fans against each other like. The cunts in charge even has us fighting over NUSC as though that's the big issue the board would have us believe it is. Leazes is sort of right in a way when he said some people almost deserve Ashley and co. mind.

 

It's not a positive at all, though. It is at best finding something least worst out of utter disaster.

 

Whilst it would reduce the wage bill and bring the "gravy train" to a screeching halt, it would do it in the worst possible way, with no real future benefits, and if we somehow miraculously managed to claw our way back from the pit of relegation then there's nothing to suggest (unless many, many things change) that ambition wouldn't lead to "gravy train" again (and the lack of said ambition [or just the current level of utter incompetence with a much lower quality squad] leaves us as a yoyo relegation club at best).

 

I'm genuinely thinking we could well end up smack back where we were prior to Hall and co., rubbing our heads and wondering if the last 17 years were a dream

[manc-mag 1]

You know what he meant though Fop, surely. The emphasis may have been revised - i.e. it's not a 'massive' positive. But it's all relative in that it may be a big positive compared to other things if we went down. No one (or hardly anyone) sees relegation as a good thing. I think it's a fair point about the way we are a 'gravy train' and have been for a while now.

I fucking hate the way things are and the way it turns loads of fans against each other like. The cunts in charge even has us fighting over NUSC as though that's the big issue the board would have us believe it is. Leazes is sort of right in a way when he said some people almost deserve Ashley and co. mind.

 

Not even going to get into an 'argument' tbh. He just reads things how he wants to, that much has been clear for months now. The only person who doesn't then get earthshatteringly bored by it all is Fop and that's because of his Asperger's.

 

It's all a bit pointless anyway though in some senses, because as Renton says the real issue about players, their attitudes and their performances is down to management-and the management is down to the ownership. And we've been mismanaged for years on end now.

[LeazesMag 0]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

 

nah, just convinced of my opinions, which are factually based by the way. "Debate" them as much as you like, but you have spouted bollocks and are still doiing it.

 

Positives of being relegated ? What a joke.

[Ayatollah Hermione 14230]

You know what he meant though Fop, surely. The emphasis may have been revised - i.e. it's not a 'massive' positive. But it's all relative in that it may be a big positive compared to other things if we went down. No one (or hardly anyone) sees relegation as a good thing. I think it's a fair point about the way we are a 'gravy train' and have been for a while now.

I fucking hate the way things are and the way it turns loads of fans against each other like. The cunts in charge even has us fighting over NUSC as though that's the big issue the board would have us believe it is. Leazes is sort of right in a way when he said some people almost deserve Ashley and co. mind.

 

Not even going to get into an 'argument' tbh. He just reads things how he wants to, that much has been clear for months now. The only person who doesn't then get earthshatteringly bored by it all is Fop and that's because of his Asperger's.

 

Self-diagnosed, I'd imagine.

[Fop 1]

You know what he meant though Fop, surely. The emphasis may have been revised - i.e. it's not a 'massive' positive. But it's all relative in that it may be a big positive compared to other things if we went down. No one (or hardly anyone) sees relegation as a good thing. I think it's a fair point about the way we are a 'gravy train' and have been for a while now.

I fucking hate the way things are and the way it turns loads of fans against each other like. The cunts in charge even has us fighting over NUSC as though that's the big issue the board would have us believe it is. Leazes is sort of right in a way when he said some people almost deserve Ashley and co. mind.

 

Not even going to get into an 'argument' tbh. He just reads things how he wants to, that much has been clear for months now. The only person who doesn't then get earthshatteringly bored by it all is Fop and that's because of his Asperger's.

 

Good because you don't have one, just an exceedingly daft statement.

 

You have entered phase 3 to 4 though.

Edited March 6, 2009 by Fop

[Guest alex]

You know what he meant though Fop, surely. The emphasis may have been revised - i.e. it's not a 'massive' positive. But it's all relative in that it may be a big positive compared to other things if we went down. No one (or hardly anyone) sees relegation as a good thing. I think it's a fair point about the way we are a 'gravy train' and have been for a while now.

I fucking hate the way things are and the way it turns loads of fans against each other like. The cunts in charge even has us fighting over NUSC as though that's the big issue the board would have us believe it is. Leazes is sort of right in a way when he said some people almost deserve Ashley and co. mind.

 

Not even going to get into an 'argument' tbh. He just reads things how he wants to, that much has been clear for months now. The only person who doesn't then get earthshatteringly bored by it all is Fop and that's because of his Asperger's.

 

Self-diagnosed, I'd imagine.

[Fop 1]

You know what he meant though Fop, surely. The emphasis may have been revised - i.e. it's not a 'massive' positive. But it's all relative in that it may be a big positive compared to other things if we went down. No one (or hardly anyone) sees relegation as a good thing. I think it's a fair point about the way we are a 'gravy train' and have been for a while now.

I fucking hate the way things are and the way it turns loads of fans against each other like. The cunts in charge even has us fighting over NUSC as though that's the big issue the board would have us believe it is. Leazes is sort of right in a way when he said some people almost deserve Ashley and co. mind.

 

Not even going to get into an 'argument' tbh. He just reads things how he wants to, that much has been clear for months now. The only person who doesn't then get earthshatteringly bored by it all is Fop and that's because of his Asperger's.

 

Self-diagnosed, I'd imagine.

 

Coming from you and manc-foplite, it is hard to imagine a more flattering compliment.

[LeazesMag 0]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

 

oh dear look what the cat dragged in.

 

For starters, learn to read. Show me where I've ever said "fantastic chairman". What i have said is that it would be far more difficult to replace the Halls and Shepherd than some people [ie fuckwits like you] realised.

 

So point me in the direction, when you exercise that great brain of yours, and tell me who got it right and who is looking like a right prat.

 

Thought you weren't going to "debate" football anymore either

 

FWIW Renton, this particular "debate" as just mentioned has been closed, proven and completed ages ago. Still stand by your opinion that just about anybody would be better than the "fuckwits" who gave us Champions league football, regular european qualification, filled the stadium, and turned a football club that couldn't sell for 1.25m into one that was worth between 100m and 200m quid ?

 

Aye, I'm sure you're right and they were crap owners and replacing them would be easy......

[manc-mag 1]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

 

nah, just convinced of my opinions, which are factually based by the way. "Debate" them as much as you like, but you have spouted bollocks and are still doiing it.

 

Positives of being relegated ? What a joke.

 

 

 

I wouldnt waste a moment debating your opinions. I havent either as is clearly evident. You started banging on about Shepherd again (shock horror) and I didnt even think to respond.

[LeazesMag 0]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

 

 

Deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth shit

 

 

nah, just highlighting the complete bollocks you're spouting. Have you seen real mediocrity ? Do you even understand what it is ? I don't think so.

[LeazesMag 0]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

 

nah, just convinced of my opinions, which are factually based by the way. "Debate" them as much as you like, but you have spouted bollocks and are still doiing it.

 

Positives of being relegated ? What a joke.

 

 

 

I wouldnt waste a moment debating your opinions. I havent either as is clearly evident. You started banging on about Shepherd again (shock horror) and I didnt even think to respond.

 

which is the best idea, as the successors to the Halls and Shepherd have proceeded to make a right old cack handed job of it, despite you and others thinking it wasn't possible.

[manc-mag 1]

Leazes, as you say you're convinced of your opinions and as I say you don't have the debating skills. It's already reached an impasse.

[Renton 22409]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

 

oh dear look what the cat dragged in.

 

For starters, learn to read. Show me where I've ever said "fantastic chairman". What i have said is that it would be far more difficult to replace the Halls and Shepherd than some people [ie fuckwits like you] realised.

 

So point me in the direction, when you exercise that great brain of yours, and tell me who got it right and who is looking like a right prat.

 

Thought you weren't going to "debate" football anymore either

 

FWIW Renton, this particular "debate" as just mentioned has been closed, proven and completed ages ago. Still stand by your opinion that just about anybody would be better than the "fuckwits" who gave us Champions league football, regular european qualification, filled the stadium, and turned a football club that couldn't sell for 1.25m into one that was worth between 100m and 200m quid ?

 

Aye, I'm sure you're right and they were crap owners and replacing them would be easy......

 

You've been banging on about what a great chairman Shepherd was for years man. I'm not going to dredge your old posts to see what your preferred adjective is but I would think 'fabulous' is a fair representation of your opinion of him. You give the impression of being utterly obsessed with him, even trying to steer threads in General chat onto the subject etc. You've even done it here after stating you wouldn't ffs!

 

Well, I really don't want to go over old ground (something you seemingly never tire of - ffs champions league football - that was long gone before Shepherd went) but suffice it to say, the crapness of our current owner is completely irrelevant to what Shepherd was. Changing ownership was always going to be a gamble, we have been exceptionally unlucky by the look of things ending up with Ashley rather than someone like Lerner. Even then, who knows, there are pretty good reasons to suggest that the Shepherd regime made us unattractive to many investors but that's in the past now and really not worth arguing about.

 

Btw Leazes, your childish insults (something you love accusing me of) do you no credit.

[Renton 22409]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

 

nah, just convinced of my opinions, which are factually based by the way. "Debate" them as much as you like, but you have spouted bollocks and are still doiing it.

 

Positives of being relegated ? What a joke.

 

 

 

I wouldnt waste a moment debating your opinions. I havent either as is clearly evident. You started banging on about Shepherd again (shock horror) and I didnt even think to respond.

 

which is the best idea, as the successors to the Halls and Shepherd have proceeded to make a right old cack handed job of it, despite you and others thinking it wasn't possible.

 

Evidence for that statement please.

[snakehips 0]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

 

nah, just convinced of my opinions, which are factually based by the way. "Debate" them as much as you like, but you have spouted bollocks and are still doiing it.

 

Positives of being relegated ? What a joke.

 

 

 

I wouldnt waste a moment debating your opinions. I havent either as is clearly evident. You started banging on about Shepherd again (shock horror) and I didnt even think to respond.

 

which is the best idea, as the successors to the Halls and Shepherd have proceeded to make a right old cack handed job of it, despite you and others thinking it wasn't possible.

 

Evidence for that statement please.

 

I suspect Leazes will have a few quotes along the lines of "no-one could fuck up as bad as FS", or the like.

 

No offence, Leazes, but I can't help thinking about the stasi guy off The Lives Of Others, who sits in the loft listening to every word and documenting the whole lot; except in your case it's the internet. Do you have a file on everyone's posts?

[Toonpack 10396]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

 

nah, just convinced of my opinions, which are factually based by the way. "Debate" them as much as you like, but you have spouted bollocks and are still doiing it.

 

Positives of being relegated ? What a joke.

 

 

 

I wouldnt waste a moment debating your opinions. I havent either as is clearly evident. You started banging on about Shepherd again (shock horror) and I didnt even think to respond.

 

which is the best idea, as the successors to the Halls and Shepherd have proceeded to make a right old cack handed job of it, despite you and others thinking it wasn't possible.

 

Leazes your position is bollocks man, you would have slagged whoever took over from your pal Shepherd, the current incumbent does appear less than competent BUT the fact is, we're still in the tailspin your mate put us in, and I doubt very much we'd be better off if Shepherd, or anyone else for that matter, was running the show.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes, as you say you're convinced of your opinions and as I say you don't have the debating skills. It's already reached an impasse.

 

well, why don't you go ahead and continue to "debate" your opinion that the Halls and Shepherd were shit and any replacements would be better.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

I'm not getting into the Shepherd/Ashley debate here, i don't like either of them and any number of people could have run this club better than both of them.

 

But on the relegation issue, it would be an unmitigated disaster if this club went down, nothing good IMO would come of it at all:

 

The obvious loss of finaces from all manner of sources, TV, premiership, shirt sponsor, ticket sales

We'd lose most of the good/half decent players we have from an already small and lopsided squad

We wouldn't bring in as many replacements as needed and they wouldn't be good enough either i'd imagine

We would likely suffer a big hangover from the relegation and that could be enough to stop bouncing straight back

We would be stuck with Kinnear or some other inadequate boss thanks to the owners to get promotion

 

And i don't care if this sounds arrogant or not, but we would be a massive target/scalp for some of the clubs in that division, apart from Leeds recently there hasn't been anyone as big/glamourous call it what you will as us down there, so every week expect to see the opposition lift their game, be fired up and love either a chance to play us or shoot us down, and i doubt we'd cope with that well at all.

 

And that's off the top of my head!

[LeazesMag 0]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

 

oh dear look what the cat dragged in.

 

For starters, learn to read. Show me where I've ever said "fantastic chairman". What i have said is that it would be far more difficult to replace the Halls and Shepherd than some people [ie fuckwits like you] realised.

 

So point me in the direction, when you exercise that great brain of yours, and tell me who got it right and who is looking like a right prat.

 

Thought you weren't going to "debate" football anymore either

 

FWIW Renton, this particular "debate" as just mentioned has been closed, proven and completed ages ago. Still stand by your opinion that just about anybody would be better than the "fuckwits" who gave us Champions league football, regular european qualification, filled the stadium, and turned a football club that couldn't sell for 1.25m into one that was worth between 100m and 200m quid ?

 

Aye, I'm sure you're right and they were crap owners and replacing them would be easy......

 

You've been banging on about what a great chairman Shepherd was for years man. I'm not going to dredge your old posts to see what your preferred adjective is but I would think 'fabulous' is a fair representation of your opinion of him. You give the impression of being utterly obsessed with him, even trying to steer threads in General chat onto the subject etc. You've even done it here after stating you wouldn't ffs!

 

Well, I really don't want to go over old ground (something you seemingly never tire of - ffs champions league football - that was long gone before Shepherd went) but suffice it to say, the crapness of our current owner is completely irrelevant to what Shepherd was. Changing ownership was always going to be a gamble, we have been exceptionally unlucky by the look of things ending up with Ashley rather than someone like Lerner. Even then, who knows, there are pretty good reasons to suggest that the Shepherd regime made us unattractive to many investors but that's in the past now and really not worth arguing about.

 

Btw Leazes, your childish insults (something you love accusing me of) do you no credit.

 

whatever. Why did you enter this anyway [which does you what credit exactly?]

 

Particularly as I stated, you got it as wrong as it was possible to be. You ought to be admitting it, which would be to your credit.

[LeazesMag 0]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

 

nah, just convinced of my opinions, which are factually based by the way. "Debate" them as much as you like, but you have spouted bollocks and are still doiing it.

 

Positives of being relegated ? What a joke.

 

 

 

I wouldnt waste a moment debating your opinions. I havent either as is clearly evident. You started banging on about Shepherd again (shock horror) and I didnt even think to respond.

 

which is the best idea, as the successors to the Halls and Shepherd have proceeded to make a right old cack handed job of it, despite you and others thinking it wasn't possible.

 

Leazes your position is bollocks man, you would have slagged whoever took over from your pal Shepherd , the current incumbent does appear less than competent BUT the fact is, we're still in the tailspin your mate put us in, and I doubt very much we'd be better off if Shepherd, or anyone else for that matter, was running the show.

 

such daft comments let you down. I stated my view, which was fully vindicated. I partly expected some people to blame the Halls and Shepherd for the position we are in, scorning the approach which gave you regular european football, champions league football, a completely transformed and full to capacity stadium and a couple of FA Cup Finals. Why don't you go the whole hog and blame Gordon Lee [if you have any idea who he was].

[Renton 22409]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

 

oh dear look what the cat dragged in.

 

For starters, learn to read. Show me where I've ever said "fantastic chairman". What i have said is that it would be far more difficult to replace the Halls and Shepherd than some people [ie fuckwits like you] realised.

 

So point me in the direction, when you exercise that great brain of yours, and tell me who got it right and who is looking like a right prat.

 

Thought you weren't going to "debate" football anymore either

 

FWIW Renton, this particular "debate" as just mentioned has been closed, proven and completed ages ago. Still stand by your opinion that just about anybody would be better than the "fuckwits" who gave us Champions league football, regular european qualification, filled the stadium, and turned a football club that couldn't sell for 1.25m into one that was worth between 100m and 200m quid ?

 

Aye, I'm sure you're right and they were crap owners and replacing them would be easy......

 

You've been banging on about what a great chairman Shepherd was for years man. I'm not going to dredge your old posts to see what your preferred adjective is but I would think 'fabulous' is a fair representation of your opinion of him. You give the impression of being utterly obsessed with him, even trying to steer threads in General chat onto the subject etc. You've even done it here after stating you wouldn't ffs!

 

Well, I really don't want to go over old ground (something you seemingly never tire of - ffs champions league football - that was long gone before Shepherd went) but suffice it to say, the crapness of our current owner is completely irrelevant to what Shepherd was. Changing ownership was always going to be a gamble, we have been exceptionally unlucky by the look of things ending up with Ashley rather than someone like Lerner. Even then, who knows, there are pretty good reasons to suggest that the Shepherd regime made us unattractive to many investors but that's in the past now and really not worth arguing about.

 

Btw Leazes, your childish insults (something you love accusing me of) do you no credit.

 

whatever. Why did you enter this anyway [which does you what credit exactly?]

 

Particularly as I stated, you got it as wrong as it was possible to be. You ought to be admitting it, which would be to your credit.

 

I didn't get anything wrong. I never offered an opinion either way about Ashley until very recently when I agree he's a disaster. That was impossible to know without hindsight which is one reason I reserved my opinion.

 

But once again that doesn't mitigate for Shepherd's latter disastrous stewardship of the club, you know, little things like employing Souness and giving him free reign to spend sums of money which were completely unsustainable. Not to mention syphoning VAST amounts of money into his own pocket in the process. I have nothing but contempt for either Ashley or Shepherd, there's no contradiction in that position which you seem to unable to comprehend.

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[LeazesMag 0]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

 

oh dear look what the cat dragged in.

 

For starters, learn to read. Show me where I've ever said "fantastic chairman". What i have said is that it would be far more difficult to replace the Halls and Shepherd than some people [ie fuckwits like you] realised.

 

So point me in the direction, when you exercise that great brain of yours, and tell me who got it right and who is looking like a right prat.

 

Thought you weren't going to "debate" football anymore either

 

FWIW Renton, this particular "debate" as just mentioned has been closed, proven and completed ages ago. Still stand by your opinion that just about anybody would be better than the "fuckwits" who gave us Champions league football, regular european qualification, filled the stadium, and turned a football club that couldn't sell for 1.25m into one that was worth between 100m and 200m quid ?

 

Aye, I'm sure you're right and they were crap owners and replacing them would be easy......

 

You've been banging on about what a great chairman Shepherd was for years man. I'm not going to dredge your old posts to see what your preferred adjective is but I would think 'fabulous' is a fair representation of your opinion of him. You give the impression of being utterly obsessed with him, even trying to steer threads in General chat onto the subject etc. You've even done it here after stating you wouldn't ffs!

 

Well, I really don't want to go over old ground (something you seemingly never tire of - ffs champions league football - that was long gone before Shepherd went) but suffice it to say, the crapness of our current owner is completely irrelevant to what Shepherd was. Changing ownership was always going to be a gamble, we have been exceptionally unlucky by the look of things ending up with Ashley rather than someone like Lerner. Even then, who knows, there are pretty good reasons to suggest that the Shepherd regime made us unattractive to many investors but that's in the past now and really not worth arguing about.

 

Btw Leazes, your childish insults (something you love accusing me of) do you no credit.

 

whatever. Why did you enter this anyway [which does you what credit exactly?]

 

Particularly as I stated, you got it as wrong as it was possible to be. You ought to be admitting it, which would be to your credit.

 

I didn't get anything wrong. I never offered an opinion either way about Ashley until very recently when I agree he's a disaster. That was impossible to know without hindsight which is one reason I reserved my opinion.

 

But once again that doesn't mitigate for Shepherd's latter disastrous stewardship of the club, you know, little things like employing Souness and giving him free reign to spend sums of money which were completely unsustainable. Not to mention syphoning VAST amounts of money into his own pocket in the process. I have nothing but contempt for either Ashley or Shepherd, there's no contradiction in that position which you seem to unable to comprehend.

 

Tell me Renton, as you deny disagreeing with me that it would be very difficult to replace the Halls and Shepherd with someone who would do so well, which ought to be so easy because you think they were such fuckwits, how long do you think it will be before it happens ?

 

In fact, as mancmag wants to have a debate on this issue, why not debate it with him/her ? I'll abstain from that one though, because I think it will be very difficult and might take years, but I've always said that.

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Tell me Renton, as you deny disagreeing with me that it would be very difficult to replace the Halls and Shepherd with someone who would do so well, which ought to be so easy because you think they were such fuckwits, how long do you think it will be before it happens ?

 

In fact, as mancmag wants to have a debate on this issue, why not debate it with him/her ? I'll abstain from that one though, because I think it will be very difficult and might take years, but I've always said that.

 

I deny endorsing Ashley at any time or saying it was impossible for us to be worse run than under Shepherd, just for the record. I did advocate a change in ownership as I think the time with Shepherd had simply run its course. He had made too many disastrous managerial appointments and didn't have the financial backing to get us back to where he once had us in my opinion. I also hugely resent the amount of money he took from the club. I stand by this. Would I want Ashley to take us over in hindsight though - no, I wouldn't.

 

I guess you're asking how long you think it will be before Ashley sells and the new owner gets us in the average top 6 position we had under Shepherd? I haven't got a clue. Could be 5 years, but the pessimist in me thinks never.